And you're changes would make it the worst side arm bare none, it might even beat out the Plasma Cannon for the "most useless weapon in the game" award.

An SMG out performs ARs when against armor, A Scrambler pistol out preforms the AR and SCR if you're good at headshots, nova knives have no equivalent, but they're not far off from shotguns, and the Flaylock out performs MDs in CQC.

It's a side arm? Gee, thanks I would have never figured that out, but being a side arm doesn't mean that a light weapon should outclass it in every way possible, and it only out classes most light weapons ATM because they've all been nerfed to ****, except for the good ol' AR

No it wouldnt, it would just be less amazing.
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1.5m would be "less amazing", 1m is garbage, I stand by that.

No one complains about the STD or ADV versions, because only the pro version is "too good", and that's because of it's splash range.

Advanced maybe, but STD? I'd rather use Nova Knives, that would render it completely useless, why even have splash damage?

I am very sick and tired of people wanting to nerf the Flaylock. Why? Because I don't want it to end up on the useless weapons pile. A pile consisting of the MD, LR and Plasma Cannon.

I have said many a times that the MD < the Flaylock. That does not mean that the Flaylock needs to be nerfed. It means the MD needs to be buffed.

Why was every weapon besides the AR severely nerfed in Uprising? Better yet, why do people want to KEEP nerfing them? Honestly it leaves me in disarray. At the end of the day, we should buff up all the weapons. Not nerf them, not even the AR.

YOU DON'T EVEN PLAAAAAAY!!!!

Advanced maybe, but STD? I'd rather use Nova Knives, that would render it completely useless, why even have splash damage?

GliMPSE X's proposed fix is reasonable. Clearly you're a flaylock user who doesn't want his crutch removed.

Simple, AR users don't like any weapons that can fight back. Is a weapon with a specialized role better than the AR while doing it's intended role? if so then it must be OP.

HMGs could destroy an AR user in CQC? My god, how could CCP have ever allowed this? ARs should be the best at CQC - AR/assault user thought process.

Also, they QQ the hardest.

Inb4 CCP claims it has something to do with "numbers" and not QQ, we all know the AR is the most popular gun in the game, the numbers would have had that thing nerfed long ago

I effin hate the AR and In being forced to use it until the Rail Rifle comes out.... its such a ****** gun

Damn, who forces you to use AR? That sux. I couldn't imagine not having a choice of weapons.

I am very sick and tired of people wanting to nerf the Flaylock. Why? Because I don't want it to end up on the useless weapons pile. A pile consisting of the MD, LR and Plasma Cannon.

I am very sick and tired of people wanting to nerf the Flaylock. Why? Because I don't want it to end up on the useless weapons pile. A pile consisting of the MD, LR and Plasma Cannon.

I have said many a times that the MD < the Flaylock. That does not mean that the Flaylock needs to be nerfed. It means the MD needs to be buffed.

Why was every weapon besides the AR severely nerfed in Uprising? Better yet, why do people want to KEEP nerfing them? Honestly it leaves me in disarray. At the end of the day, we should buff up all the weapons. Not nerf them, not even the AR.

Some people will never be satisfied until everyone else is pillow fighting, and they have the only Flaylock.

I've never seen a logi with it, who's using them as primaries?

Noobs don't count, it being a noob tube was a design choice.

AR>>> Flaylock, unless you can't aim the AR of course
Hell, in hands of a skilled player Scrambler pistol >> Flaylock.

Edit: In case you're questioniing why a game designer would ever include noob tubes in their game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

Yeah because a sidearm being used as a primary is not wrong, and especially when it has the lowest fitting requirements of all the sidearms...

It is pretty obvious that the Flaylock is OP. This weapon is in a similar situation as the TAC AR was a few weeks back. You can be sick and tired all day but the fact of the matter is that the Flaylock needs a nerf. Sooner than later.

AR>>> Flaylock, unless you can't aim the AR of course

Firstly, the AR did take a hit in chromosome. In range, stability and overall dispersion. Furthermore, CCP decided to add in random spread making gun fights even more frustrating. Lastly, the aiming mechanics of this build has consistently made it harder for many weapons, this includes the AR.


Bottom line, is that the flayock is being used as primary when it designated as secondary. That is a big no no no

*All stats are from prototype level*
*Ranges found here*

[Comparison]
Flaylock pistol
Damage per shot: direct 239.8 / splash 214.5
Damage per second (DPS): EDIT - 3 shots fired in about 2 seconds(used stopwatch), direct 359.7 / splash 321.75
Damage per mag: direct 719.4 / splash 643.5
Range: 60 m? (only the 'Splashbone' was checked)

Scrambler pistol
Damage per shot: 88
DPS: 733.33 (and that's not even with the crazy awesome headshot multiplier)
Damage per mag: (+5 shots per magazine size skill bonus factored) 968
Range: around 61 m

SMG
Damage per shot: 25.3
DPS: 421.66
Damage per mag: 2024
Range: 44 m

[Conclusion]
The prototype flaylock pistol's DPS pales in comparison by hundreds of points, even with direct damage. The damage per magazine is also underwhelming, meaning it can kill less people with just one magazine in comparison to the other sidearms. What the flaylock pistol gets is splash (2.5 meters with maxed out operation skill), which makes it much easier to damage targets since just landing hits close to them does the job; this advantage however is in exchange for DPS.

Basically the flaylock is more likely to do damage because of splash, but has much lower damage per second as a tradeoff. Seems fair to me. I really hope it isn't nerfed in 1.2 because I think its pretty balanced.

A modest reduction in splash damage might be needed if there really are problems.

/me activates flame shield.

*EDIT: My initial fire rate and DPS for flaylock was off, corrected it. Still much lower DPS than other sidearms, making splash damage and radius fair.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90366&find=unread
Forgot to link the thread

Yeah because a sidearm being used as a primary is not wrong, and especially when it has the lowest fitting requirements of all the sidearms...

it isn't that the flaylock needs to be nerfed its just that most of you people who complain haven't invested any sp into the dropsuit core skills for armor and shield tanking. and there are cases where i lost to a AR close range using my hmg

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