I've never seen a logi with it, who's using them as primaries?

Noobs don't count, it being a noob tube was a design choice.

AR>>> Flaylock, unless you can't aim the AR of course
Hell, in hands of a skilled player Scrambler pistol >> Flaylock.

I am very sick and tired of people wanting to nerf the Flaylock. Why? Because I don't want it to end up on the useless weapons pile. A pile consisting of the MD, LR and Plasma Cannon.

I have said many a times that the MD < the Flaylock. That does not mean that the Flaylock needs to be nerfed. It means the MD needs to be buffed.

Why was every weapon besides the AR severely nerfed in Uprising? Better yet, why do people want to KEEP nerfing them? Honestly it leaves me in disarray. At the end of the day, we should buff up all the weapons. Not nerf them, not even the AR.

What? It's safer in the MCC. Plus, this way I'm unaffected by any changes to balance
Nerf the Flaylock, I'll just use my AFK SP to spec into proto SMGs

My STD Syn is almost as good my Core Flaylock with prof 3.... yeah, I'm sure the Proto version is inferior, yup...

Advanced maybe, but STD? I'd rather use Nova Knives, that would render it completely useless, why even have splash damage?

Advanced maybe, but STD? I'd rather use Nova Knives, that would render it completely useless, why even have splash damage?

Advanced maybe, but STD? I'd rather use Nova Knives, that would render it completely useless, why even have splash damage?

I effin hate the AR and In being forced to use it until the Rail Rifle comes out.... its such a ****** gun

AR>>> Flaylock, unless you can't aim the AR of course

*All stats are from prototype level*
*Ranges found here*

[Comparison]
Flaylock pistol
Damage per shot: direct 239.8 / splash 214.5
Damage per second (DPS): EDIT - 3 shots fired in about 2 seconds(used stopwatch), direct 359.7 / splash 321.75
Damage per mag: direct 719.4 / splash 643.5
Range: 60 m? (only the 'Splashbone' was checked)

Scrambler pistol
Damage per shot: 88
DPS: 733.33 (and that's not even with the crazy awesome headshot multiplier)
Damage per mag: (+5 shots per magazine size skill bonus factored) 968
Range: around 61 m

SMG
Damage per shot: 25.3
DPS: 421.66
Damage per mag: 2024
Range: 44 m

[Conclusion]
The prototype flaylock pistol's DPS pales in comparison by hundreds of points, even with direct damage. The damage per magazine is also underwhelming, meaning it can kill less people with just one magazine in comparison to the other sidearms. What the flaylock pistol gets is splash (2.5 meters with maxed out operation skill), which makes it much easier to damage targets since just landing hits close to them does the job; this advantage however is in exchange for DPS.

Basically the flaylock is more likely to do damage because of splash, but has much lower damage per second as a tradeoff. Seems fair to me. I really hope it isn't nerfed in 1.2 because I think its pretty balanced.

A modest reduction in splash damage might be needed if there really are problems.

/me activates flame shield.

*EDIT: My initial fire rate and DPS for flaylock was off, corrected it. Still much lower DPS than other sidearms, making splash damage and radius fair.

Correct me if I'm wrong sloth but I believe there have been a good number of threads made by players that actually breakdown all of the numbers for the weapons. CCP's method of "nerfing due to numbers" is malarkey. I agree with you 100% and CCP needs to learn how these "supposed numbers" have a drastic impact on the game. If they keep nerfing and buffing things then they better be handing out some nice fat respec's as well.


- Wee Baby

You are full of **** https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=912311#post912311

A Proto Flaylock requires 2 shots to take out an armor tanker with militia stats, there's no way in hell it would ever 1-shot a shield tanker, it's impossible.

Scouts maybe, but medium suits and up? Nope, quit making things up.

You're always gonna see more smgs on the field, Miltia through toxin because they are cheap/bpos with no investment. compare the amount of ishukones you see vs core flaylocks.

It matters a lot if you're aiming at the ground. This is a FPS the esstential means of interaction with your opponents in an FPS is aiming which is complicated by strafing and etc. When you can bypass all this by leaping at the enemy and shooting at the ground... Why wouldn't that matter?

You were the one who brought up magazines. My point was that kill per magazine is an arbitray means of judging when the weapon has a short reload, and also that in anycase you were shitposting super hard since the amount of kills you can get with the flaylock isn't determined by its clipsize but the amount of people you are engaging who can all fall within the radius of it's shots.


"the flaylock is actually the most underpowered sidearm there is" -- son of a gun 2013

Why was every weapon besides the AR severely nerfed in Uprising? Better yet, why do people want to KEEP nerfing them? Honestly it leaves me in disarray. At the end of the day, we should buff up all the weapons. Not nerf them, not even the AR.

Flaylock killed Dust?