There is alot of negativity in this thread, but the point is valid. Why does a Logi need so many slots? Lets examine..


You could compare a Logi to a Scorpion Battleship in EVE. They have lots of high slots, lots of mid slots. They just have ALOT of slots for being an Ewar ship compared to the Raven, which has less slots.

The problem in this game is that the suits themselves don't mean as much. A Raven gets its DPS power from its ship's bonuses, while the scoprion gets Ewar bonuses and not DPS bonuses. Therefore the suits themselves are unbalanced, not the slot layouts per se.

I think it was smart of CCP for many reasons to stay away from putting +5% damage to XXXXX weapon class per XXXXX level on every suit.

You also forgot the scorpion only has 4 launcher hardpoints (and 4 turrets, lol) for its 6 total highslots.

There is alot of negativity in this thread, but the point is valid. Why does a Logi need so many slots? Lets examine..


You could compare a Logi to a Scorpion Battleship in EVE. They have lots of high slots, lots of mid slots. They just have ALOT of slots for being an Ewar ship compared to the Raven, which has 1 more slot then the scorpion, 19 compared to 18.

The problem in this game is that the suits themselves don't mean as much. A Raven gets its DPS power from its ship's bonuses, while the scoprion gets Ewar bonuses and not DPS bonuses. Therefore the suits themselves are unbalanced, not the slot layouts per se.

For example, i use the Amarr, only AK0 (only suit usefull to amar logi ) i bet everything of survive, No dmg mods or proto Weap for me, due to my low PG
i CHOOSE to do less dmg for have a slit less HP and follow my mate trough the Storm bullet, eating the same S H I T ASplayer are eating, just to be useful to my team and rep or ress them.
And i dont care my KDR, it's a worthless stat.
but for ress them, i need the enemy to die or to flee. HOW can i do that if they laugh at my SIDEARM slot with low range.

bullshit

Actually, I'm just flat out telling you that you're wrong. As is the OP.

In Eve, there are many ships with overlapping capabilities. The fact that the Logistics suits and Assault suits have some overlap, while maintaining distinctness, I think, Is exactly working as designed. This comes from my Eve experience.

Also, support does not mean can't kill. This pretty well kills all of the ideas from single spec Assault players who, for some reason, don't want Logis to be able to kill anything.

So, to be clear, what I'm saying is that you are wrong in your efforts to designate Logistic suits as "support" meaning can't kill. Dust, like Eve, is meant to be a sandbox. This means that CCP provides the framework, and we players build the details as we see fit.

The only reason CCP should nerf anything is if CCP thinks that diversity is being negatively impacted by a specific item that's OP/UP. In this case, this would mean that there are so many Logis on the field, that no one, or virtually no one, goes Assault. I, for one, don't see this while on the battlefield, therefore a call to nerf is unfounded. Take for example, the counter argument of a valid nerf, being the Tac AR, because anyone with the SP went to this weapon to the exclusion of all others.

Whatever though, I'm done debating with monkeys.

Fact: AR scrubs is as AR scrubs does.

LOL, troll

NerF the TaC , now this ? ........... BTW TaC is so broken never used it since it being nerfed
Cal Logis is not op , if Cal Logis is op , the heavy suit will be op , min logi will be op, etc ,
just leave the suit alone as it is, some of us work HARD grinding SP for Proto Cal Logis and you QQ want to mess it up,
Leave all logi suit as it is pls CCP ,
thanks

Now, this, this has to be a troll.

Its pretty well understood that logi suits with stacked HP have ridiculous combat survivability, damage, and utility. Most notably the proto caldari logi with heavy-suit level EHP, decent armor, and Duvolle AR. To address this issue of logis not logibroing and generally being better than assault at assaulting, I propose a change in the logi weapon slot. Logis would get a single sidearm slot and NO light weapon. OFC, everyone will just spec into proto SMGs to much the same effect, but I think it would fix much of what is wrong.

I figure someone's had this idea already. Thoughts?

I've been set straight: link

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Sidearm Only Support =/= Can't kill

When did I ever say otherwise? I said that they shouldn't be Assault and that they shouldn't be wholly interchangeable with Assault (which apparently puts your panties in a bunch). I've been running nearly purely logi (I've got some specialized fits that are built of Assault and Scout suits) for the PAST THREE ******* BUILDS and using predominantly Sidearms for the PAST TWO ******* BUILDS. I have gotten kills in the past two builds too, so quit typing out of your ass and trying to convince people that the statement bolded above is Gospel Truth because it isn't.

Again, opinion.

Whatever though, I'm done debating with monkeys.

Fact: AR scrubs is as AR scrubs does.

NerF the TaC , now this ? ........... BTW TaC is so broken never used it since it being nerfed
just leave the suit alone as it is, some of us work HARD grinding SP for Proto Cal Logis and you QQ want to mess it up,
Leave all logi suit as it is pls CCP ,
thanks

I'm a BIG MOUTH all word no proof .

Ok, so tell me from your "Eve experience", aside from both being cruiser class ships, what overlap is there between a Scimitar and a Vagabond? I'll wait, please enlighten me.

Support. Logis are the equipment guy- not the guy who specializes in whatever he damn well pleases.

OP here

Thanks for your replies all, I don't mean to present myself as an expert on the topic by any means, and you've raised some good points that I hadn't considered. The light weapon -> sidearm nerf for all logis is probably a bit too extreme to address the issue. After all, if you're in a proto suit with a proto weapon, you should be a killing machine regardless of if its a logi. The specific concerns about caldari logi HP are probably best served with adjustments to the CPU, or if this is insufficient, removing a hislot, as well as a general look at logi/assault skill bonuses. I also don't think all suits across the same class should be completely homogenized (this is certainly not the case in Eve, and it isn't even the case in Dust right now).

@The Fuckwit formerly called Buster

I am a Logi, I have not stated that Logis should be nerfed.

I DO NOT VIEW A SIDEARM ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR THEM AS THE EARTHSHATTERING END OF LIFE FOR THEM THAT MANY OF YOU OBVIOUSLY DO.

Maybe if you had some reading comprehension, you'd understand this, but no, you simply parrot the **** someone tells you to and try to pass it off as "Eve Experience".

******* dumbshit monkeys.

OP here

Thanks for your replies all, I don't mean to present myself as an expert on the topic by any means, and you've raised some good points that I hadn't considered. The light weapon -> sidearm nerf for all logis is probably a bit too extreme to address the issue. After all, if you're in a proto suit with a proto weapon, you should be a killing machine regardless of if its a logi. The specific concerns about caldari logi HP are probably best served with adjustments to the CPU, or if this is insufficient, removing a hislot, as well as a general look at logi/assault skill bonuses. I also don't think all suits across the same class should be completely homogenized (this is certainly not the case in Eve, and it isn't even the case in Dust right now).