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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:37:00 -
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I personally agree with you that logi having only a Sidearm would bring them more in line with a Support role.
However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up.
They're intended for Support, not Assault, they should have only secondary combat viability. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
430
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Posted - 2013.06.28 01:23:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:I personally agree with you that logi having only a Sidearm would bring them more in line with a Support role.
However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up.
They're intended for Support, not Assault, they should have only secondary combat viability. This mentally that the Logi suit is just meant to stand there and rep people is the problem. If that was the case, CCP would have never created the Amarr suit. Logibro were clearly meant to be a utility unit, not a healing slave. I haven't seen a single reason yet to nerf the Logibro to Sidearms other than "Calogi is OP", which has nothing to do with the rest of the Logi suits.
I have NEVER stated that the Logi is only meant to stand there and rep people. I wholeheartedly agree that that idea is utter garbage.
However, the belief that Logis need to be able to be some kind of "Rambo the Repper" is counter to the entire idea of the Logi IMHO. They need to be able to Support their squad/team though the strategic application of Equipment. I personally enjoy being more of a Ninja-Logi (no, I will not elaborate) than the Combat Medic there with my Heavy on a Reps Leash (I disagree with your healing slave statement, if anything the Heavy is the Logis DPS slave).
Either way, it isn't like Sidearms aren't intended to do the same thing as Light and Heavy Weapons (which is to say that they are all designed as murder tools). Focusing fire with squadmates/teammates is another method of Support. Sidearms are well more than sufficient for such a task. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
430
|
Posted - 2013.06.28 02:55:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:
However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up.
Proven right, didn't take long for people to start with the "ZOMG!!!! I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH JUST A SIDEARM!!"
Personally, w/e, I am done arguing about it.
However, I will continue to hold my belief that Sidearm Only Logis are viable, just too many scrub logis that think they're Little Brother Assault. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
430
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:56:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:
However, many others have cried bloody murder every time it gets brought up.
Proven right, didn't take long for people to start with the "ZOMG!!!! I COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH JUST A SIDEARM!!" Personally, w/e, I am done arguing about it. However, I will continue to hold my belief that Sidearm Only Logis are viable, just too many scrub logis that think they're Little Brother Assault. You should be done arguing about it. It's not a good suggestion. They aren't Little Brother Assault. They are viable as Assault. Working as intended. Please go cry elsewhere.
The first two sentences of your post are pure opinion and you present them as fact.
Fact: I made a convert while I was gone.
They shouldn't be viable as Assault, they should be Support. I do not believe that is working as intended, otherwise why would CCP have given us both an Assault and a Logi? Both of them existing as roles within the same frame != mean that they should be wholly interchangeable. If you think that it does, then pass me some of what you're smoking cause you're either high or stupid (giving you the benefit of the doubt).
I'm not the one crying here. The guys who're stating definitively that they lose all Support viability are the ones crying here and look at you just bandwagoning on their sacks. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
432
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:12:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Actually, I'm just flat out telling you that you're wrong. As is the OP.
While you're both entitled to your opinions, that doesn't make them truth
Buster Friently wrote:
In Eve, there are many ships with overlapping capabilities. The fact that the Logistics suits and Assault suits have some overlap, while maintaining distinctness, I think, Is exactly working as designed. This comes from my Eve experience.
Ok, so tell me from your "Eve experience", aside from both being cruiser class ships, what overlap is there between a Scimitar and a Vagabond? I'll wait, please enlighten me.
Buster Friently wrote:
Also, support does not mean can't kill. This pretty well kills all of the ideas from single spec Assault players who, for some reason, don't want Logis to be able to kill anything.
So, to be clear, what I'm saying is that you are wrong in your efforts to designate Logistic suits as "support" meaning can't kill. Dust, like Eve, is meant to be a sandbox. This means that CCP provides the framework, and we players build the details as we see fit.
Sidearm Only Support =/= Can't kill
When did I ever say otherwise? I said that they shouldn't be Assault and that they shouldn't be wholly interchangeable with Assault (which apparently puts your panties in a bunch). I've been running nearly purely logi (I've got some specialized fits that are built of Assault and Scout suits) for the PAST THREE ******* BUILDS and using predominantly Sidearms for the PAST TWO ******* BUILDS. I have gotten kills in the past two builds too, so quit typing out of your ass and trying to convince people that the statement bolded above is Gospel Truth because it isn't.
If you can't get kills with a sidearm you're doing it wrong. The sidearm only option does make it so that you can't just run around like rambo as easily as you could with a GEK or whatever other noobcannon AR you don't want to lose access to. I even proposed a logi weapon slot that would essentially be Sidearms + LR, MD, SG & SL, what is the ******* obsession with keeping ARs available to Logi? I thought Logi was designed for those who either wanted a support role (non-primary DPS) or who weren't the greatest with FPS (indicating that they have no need of an AR).
I love how wanting some kind of real actual differentiation makes me the bad guy. Yes, I am aware that there is a difference (as if the +2/+3 Equipment slots and the existence of only 1 weapon slot wasn't evidence enough), however, the difference is negligible since you can still fit a Logi for Assault (albeit with only 1 weapon and probably unused equipment slots).
Buster Friently wrote:
The only reason CCP should nerf anything is if CCP thinks that diversity is being negatively impacted by a specific item that's OP/UP. In this case, this would mean that there are so many Logis on the field, that no one, or virtually no one, goes Assault. I, for one, don't see this while on the battlefield, therefore a call to nerf is unfounded. Take for example, the counter argument of a valid nerf, being the Tac AR, because anyone with the SP went to this weapon to the exclusion of all others.
Again, opinion.
Whatever though, I'm done debating with monkeys.
Fact: AR scrubs is as AR scrubs does. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
432
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:23:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote: Whatever though, I'm done debating with monkeys.
Fact: AR scrubs is as AR scrubs does. LOL, troll
Just curious, did you bother to read the rest of it? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
432
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Posted - 2013.06.28 15:31:00 -
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flesth wrote:NerF the TaC , now this ? ........... BTW TaC is so broken never used it since it being nerfed
Cal Logis is not op , if Cal Logis is op , the heavy suit will be op , min logi will be op, etc ,
just leave the suit alone as it is, some of us work HARD grinding SP for Proto Cal Logis and you QQ want to mess it up,
Leave all logi suit as it is pls CCP ,
thanks
Now, this, this has to be a troll. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
432
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:03:00 -
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@Jastad
I've been doing it in Uprising too. So sorry, I don't have vids and I'm not buying a PVR or jumping through hoops to appease you.
Those I regularly play with are aware of how I usually run. In addition to this, I don't play PC since it is a broken mess (and I won't until it isn't a broken mess). |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
432
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Posted - 2013.06.28 21:34:00 -
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@Jastad
Thank you for proving that you're little more than an ignorant **** who can't actually formulate a cognizant counterargument.
Also, thank you for reminding me of why I shouldn't try to have an informed debate with a monkey. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
439
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:09:00 -
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@The Fuckwit formerly called Buster
I am a Logi, I have not stated that Logis should be nerfed.
I DO NOT VIEW A SIDEARM ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR THEM AS THE EARTHSHATTERING END OF LIFE FOR THEM THAT MANY OF YOU OBVIOUSLY DO.
Maybe if you had some reading comprehension, you'd understand this, but no, you simply parrot the **** someone tells you to and try to pass it off as "Eve Experience".
******* dumbshit monkeys. |
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