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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1824	Posted - 2013.06.29 15:37:00 - [61] - Quote Other solution: tech 3. One tech 3 (branching from the logi) has less equipment slots, more other slots The other has a sidearm, more PG/CPU, and more slots.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 41	Posted - 2013.06.29 17:35:00 - [62] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I'M A LITTLE PIMPLY BOY, LOOK AT ME !!!!! LOOK HOW BADASS I AM FOR TELLING BAD THINGZ ON THE INTERNETZZZZZ . First if all, i didn't know you so feel free to address " Monkey" your Gorilla mother, your sister, your brother or any of your relatives. Strike down you big E-PENI S Little monkey, you're no one and you're not so important. i'm TIRED of writing you the reason ( in two different topic, and still you didn't answer to any of my arg) based on REAL, again, REAL facts like RANGE, DPS, DMG,REPPER POWER ETC ETC. I'm different, i'm not like you little monkey, i don't think I'm Superman and have a big E-EGO like yours, so i belive that I MAY be wrong.But we are adult's, and in " Adult's WORLD" when you claim something, you need to have proof of what you're saying. You say something that could possibly be the NERFofALLtimes without proving it trough PC and END GAME battle corp, Only based on pubscrub match.
Angelus Blackfort Lioxys Reptide Elit3 0	Posted - 2013.06.29 21:34:00 - [63] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: @The Fuckwit formerly called Buster I am a Logi, I have not stated that Logis should be nerfed. I DO NOT VIEW A SIDEARM ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR THEM AS THE EARTHSHATTERING END OF LIFE FOR THEM THAT MANY OF YOU OBVIOUSLY DO. Maybe if you had some reading comprehension, you'd understand this, but no, you simply parrot the ** someone tells you to and try to pass it off as "Eve Experience". ***** dumbshit monkeys. Wait, so you're trying to argue with these people with the opinion that logi's should only be able to use sidearms? What kind of argument is that? How can you support anyone with little to no range? I'm going to seem really "Generic FPS player" here, but that's kind of like saying the medics on Battlefield should on run with bandages and a pistol.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 172	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:16:00 - [64] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: OP here Thanks for your replies all, I don't mean to present myself as an expert on the topic by any means, and you've raised some good points that I hadn't considered. The light weapon -> sidearm nerf for all logis is probably a bit too extreme to address the issue. After all, if you're in a proto suit with a proto weapon, you should be a killing machine regardless of if its a logi. The specific concerns about caldari logi HP are probably best served with adjustments to the CPU, or if this is insufficient, removing a hislot, as well as a general look at logi/assault skill bonuses. I also don't think all suits across the same class should be completely homogenized (this is certainly not the case in Eve, and it isn't even the case in Dust right now). I think you are missing the point that we've (maybe just me) been making. The logi suits were designed with certain differences already that balance them. They are fine the way they are, as are the assault and scout suits. There has never been a need to nerf the cal logi suit in terms of pg/cpu or even in shield tank due to the fact that it has bonuses there for a reason, it is not as good in other areas. What you suggest would make the cal logi suit unplayable. Can you imagine a proto suit that is no better than the advanced version? What you are suggesting would do just that. Back off the nerf hammer and look at what it would take to get to an OP suit in SP. Most of the "OP" cal logis are in proto gear with proto mods and have proto guns. Start adding up the sp and you will see it's not the suit that is OP but the player. Don't like it? Too bad. You had your chance to skill up into it too so stop complaining that a player has X million more sp than you invested. It makes you sound like a child.
GVGISDEAD Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:24:00 - [65] - Quote Assault Class > Logistics Double Core Flaylocks > Logi MD+ Core Flaylock > Logi
DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:34:00 - [66] - Quote The caldari logi just needs a different bonous and one less low slot.
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 268	Posted - 2013.07.05 07:04:00 - [67] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: What is wrong with you Do you hate logis or something? Apparently he does he just sucks.
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 8	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:04:00 - [68] - Quote If they nerf the logi then they have to get rid of the healing cap on our tools. you dont see them nerfing the amount of points that you get when you score kills right. It should be the same for us healers.
Cyrille Fodeux Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.07.05 14:47:00 - [69] - Quote The problem is not at the Logis (except the Caldari Logi), it-¦s at the WP you get from Equipment. You get too little WP for the risk you are exposed when you are reviving or repairing someone. When you get more WP for these actions more Logis will actually play as a Logi. Another solution I think of is giving Logis one magazine less than other classes. For the Caldari Logi, there should be just a different skill bonus.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 582	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:55:00 - [70] - Quote Cal Logi is fine. the other logi classes just also need EHP skill bonuses as well. And the assault class needs a damage bonus.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 405	Posted - 2013.07.05 15:59:00 - [71] - Quote nerf my logi (Gallente) give me a side arm and 500K sp for a flaylock pistol. I will show you hell.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 120	Posted - 2013.07.05 16:04:00 - [72] - Quote Cyrille Fodeux wrote: The problem is not at the Logis (except the Caldari Logi), it-¦s at the WP you get from Equipment. You get too little WP for the risk you are exposed when you are reviving or repairing someone. When you get more WP for these actions more Logis will actually play as a Logi. I think its the other way, so many people play logi in part because you get so many WP just from equipment. Points for uplink spawns, nanohive resupplies, and nanite revives are all fine (mayb +5/10 to nanites for adv/proto versions). Repair tool points maybe could use some "iteration" but its not a quick fix like removing the cap entirely or something.
Cyrille Fodeux Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2013.07.05 16:54:00 - [73] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Cyrille Fodeux wrote: The problem is not at the Logis (except the Caldari Logi), it-¦s at the WP you get from Equipment. You get too little WP for the risk you are exposed when you are reviving or repairing someone. When you get more WP for these actions more Logis will actually play as a Logi. I think its the other way, so many people play logi in part because you get so many WP just from equipment. Points for uplink spawns, nanohive resupplies, and nanite revives are all fine (mayb +5/10 to nanites for adv/proto versions). Repair tool points maybe could use some "iteration" but its not a quick fix like removing the cap entirely or something. Regarding the Rep tool: If the game would remember the last three things that did the damage it could distinguish if the damage was done by falling or by enemies and only give the WP if the last case is the case.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 38	Posted - 2013.07.05 17:10:00 - [74] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: Its pretty well understood that logi suits with stacked HP have ridiculous combat survivability, damage, and utility. Most notably the proto caldari logi with heavy-suit level EHP, decent armor, and Duvolle AR. To address this issue of logis not logibroing and generally being better than assault at assaulting, I propose a change in the logi weapon slot. Logis would get a single sidearm slot and NO light weapon. OFC, everyone will just spec into proto SMGs to much the same effect, but I think it would fix much of what is wrong. I figure someone's had this idea already. Thoughts? Yeah, it's a bad idea. The idea that somehow, Logis should be nerfed because Assaults are mad is ludicrous. Logis have guns. They should be able to use them. Flux the damn caldaris if you can't out shoot them. I swear, most of the people that post on these forums from an assault point of view have no sense of how to counter a tactic. I have personally devoted my self to phucking up shield users. Scrambler rifle scrambler pistol flux grenades and im an armor tanker
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1261	Posted - 2013.07.05 17:48:00 - [75] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Cal Logi is fine. the other logi classes just also need EHP skill bonuses as well. And the assault class needs a damage bonus. I don't have numbers in front of me but this sounds like a valid option. Total bonuses in all cases would need to scale properly with available mods but that should be doable. One mild tweak I'd consider would be keeping the Min Logi with it's current skill bonuses and giving it a touch more speed to keep it in line wit the (newly buffed) logi suits. That would keep it diverse/niche as it is now and put more emphasis on it's speed tank for survival (without making it a scout of course).
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 255	Posted - 2013.07.07 00:17:00 - [76] - Quote Or, instead of nerfing things, we could just buff every other suit. That is a much better idea.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 432	Posted - 2013.07.07 01:11:00 - [77] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Or, instead of nerfing things, we could just buff every other suit. That is a much better idea. Although this is a good suggestion you have to keep in mind that to big of a buff would require a buff to weapons and thus further imbalance weapons, which would generate new issues.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 35	Posted - 2013.07.07 02:08:00 - [78] - Quote Yeah your proposal is offensive alright. Logi is a utility soldier, not your personal healing b!tch. Its a playstyle, not a class or whatever. In a battle of attrition, ambush gamemode for example, people will choose what keeps them longer alive over extended offensive capability. Logistics suits just so happen to be designed to withstand more damage in order to support their assault and heavy mates, who deal most of the damage. So yeah, if people choose tanky-ness over shooty-ness all the time, then the shooty-ness isnt shooty enough.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 27	Posted - 2013.07.07 02:13:00 - [79] - Quote Any player with a scrambler rifle is a cal logi's funeral. People like you don't want to try something new blocked by arogance and hatred for cal logi's because you get beat by them every time cuz YOU SUCK MAN -1


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