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Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:13:00 -
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Its pretty well understood that logi suits with stacked HP have ridiculous combat survivability, damage, and utility. Most notably the proto caldari logi with heavy-suit level EHP, decent armor, and Duvolle AR. To address this issue of logis not logibroing and generally being better than assault at assaulting, I propose a change in the logi weapon slot. Logis would get a single sidearm slot and NO light weapon. OFC, everyone will just spec into proto SMGs to much the same effect, but I think it would fix much of what is wrong.
I figure someone's had this idea already. Thoughts? |
Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:30:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:What is wrong with you Do you hate logis or something?
No, in fact I think logi gameplay is quite fun. Its just anything with very high utility and very high survivability should suffer some modest penalties in mobility or offensive capability. Logis right now don't particularly have either, making them flat out better for a number of roles intended for other suits. |
Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:15:00 -
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OP here
Thanks for your replies all, I don't mean to present myself as an expert on the topic by any means, and you've raised some good points that I hadn't considered. The light weapon -> sidearm nerf for all logis is probably a bit too extreme to address the issue. After all, if you're in a proto suit with a proto weapon, you should be a killing machine regardless of if its a logi. The specific concerns about caldari logi HP are probably best served with adjustments to the CPU, or if this is insufficient, removing a hislot, as well as a general look at logi/assault skill bonuses. I also don't think all suits across the same class should be completely homogenized (this is certainly not the case in Eve, and it isn't even the case in Dust right now). |
Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.06.28 14:20:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:There is alot of negativity in this thread, but the point is valid. Why does a Logi need so many slots? Lets examine..
You could compare a Logi to a Scorpion Battleship in EVE. They have lots of high slots, lots of mid slots. They just have ALOT of slots for being an Ewar ship compared to the Raven, which has less slots.
The problem in this game is that the suits themselves don't mean as much. A Raven gets its DPS power from its ship's bonuses, while the scoprion gets Ewar bonuses and not DPS bonuses. Therefore the suits themselves are unbalanced, not the slot layouts per se.
I think it was smart of CCP for many reasons to stay away from putting +5% damage to XXXXX weapon class per XXXXX level on every suit.
You also forgot the scorpion only has 4 launcher hardpoints (and 4 turrets, lol) for its 6 total highslots. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:45:00 -
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flesth wrote:NerF the TaC , now this ? ........... BTW TaC is so broken never used it since it being nerfed
just leave the suit alone as it is, some of us work HARD grinding SP for Proto Cal Logis and you QQ want to mess it up,
Leave all logi suit as it is pls CCP ,
thanks
CCP has never given a crap about people that overspecialized into things that were due for a well-deserved nerf, and they've never offered skill point refunds in such situations either.
Just sayin'. |
Oso Peresoso
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Posted - 2013.07.05 16:04:00 -
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Cyrille Fodeux wrote:The problem is not at the Logis (except the Caldari Logi), it-¦s at the WP you get from Equipment. You get too little WP for the risk you are exposed when you are reviving or repairing someone. When you get more WP for these actions more Logis will actually play as a Logi.
I think its the other way, so many people play logi in part because you get so many WP just from equipment. Points for uplink spawns, nanohive resupplies, and nanite revives are all fine (mayb +5/10 to nanites for adv/proto versions). Repair tool points maybe could use some "iteration" but its not a quick fix like removing the cap entirely or something. |
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