Because CCP hates armor, so they had to make a sidearm that one-two shots us with splash radius.
The splash radius seems a bit overkill considering we're slow like heavies.

Idiots.

Two out of the previous posts are completely misinformed and inaccurate.

Enjoy the QQ though.

Because CCP hates armor, so they had to make a sidearm that one-two shots us with splash radius.
The splash radius seems a bit overkill considering we're slow like heavies.

I am simply comparing this handheld weapon, that can easily kill, to a missile turret that struggles to kill with splash damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nMBWI_a4xUA#t=119s

Two direct hits to kill a guy with militia stats, clearly the flaylock is OP

lol, 1-shot my ass

Because CCP hates armor, so they had to make a sidearm that one-two shots us with splash radius.
The splash radius seems a bit overkill considering we're slow like heavies.

How much damage does your missile turret do against installations and other vehicles?

How much damage does the flaylock do against installations and other vehicles?

Core flaylock pistol.
If my shields are gone (which are only 1/5th of my eHP), I am dead in two shots.

Core flaylock pistol.
If my shields are gone (which are only 1/5th of my eHP), I am dead in two shots.

Core flaylock pistol.
If my shields are gone (which are only 1/5th of my eHP), I am dead in two shots.

Ugh... that was a core flaylock pistol.

That is a direct hit. Why would you shoot a flaylock at an installation? How many direct hits do you get on infantry with a large missile turret?

This is the same boat I am in. How a sidearm out performs the mass driver is beyond me.

Sloth I am using proto maxed missiles with 3 damage mods and infantry just may get hit with one missile while more missiles with splash damage do a little damage and they can still run away. Let me guess you use the cfp?

Didn't yo mama teach you not to answer a question with another question.

I asked 5 questions, two of which are redundant... my point is that the missile turret has ALOT more ability to be effective than just killing infantry, right? The flaylock is ONLY good at killing infantry.

Your missile turret has unlimited ammo, can be fired from the safety of a tank, has greater range, can damage enemy vehicles... but you are crying because it doesnt kill infantry as effective as an infantry only weapon? derp

Oh I get it, side arms should shoot marshmallows, silly me

Oh I get it, side arms should shoot marshmallows, silly me

Didn't quite say that but if you think a pistol should out perform a grenade launcher, something is wrong there.

I am not saying the flaylock needs to be nerfed. I am asking why it is better than a missile from a turret.

Not you, the others.

As for why it is better than the turrets, cause turrets suck, that's a problem.

There damage is similar, but small turrets have a .5 smaller blast radius since they lack a skill which increases it, and I'm pretty sure they also have a lower ROF, not to mention that shooting while on the move is next to impossible.

Dude simply is a user of the cfp. As much as he defends it. When what was in question is the missile turret.

Dude simply is a user of the cfp. As much as he defends it. When what was in question is the missile turret.

I already answered your question.

Flaylock is Infantry Only

Missile turret is not

That is why the flaylcok is more effecient at killing infantry.

The missile turret CAN hit infantry, but its hard.. because it is designed as an anti vehicle weapon. Easier to hit vehicles and large objects.

Is that really that hard to comprehend? or do you just want your tank to be godmode uber awesome at everything.

I'm defending it because you mentioned it and other people jumped on the chance to call it OP, and yes, I do use it, and I have about 1000 SP into it, and it still lacks the 1 shot capablities that people like kitten claim it does.

Would you not defend a 1000 SP investment? If I said missile turrets were OP, would you not argue against it?

I have 10 million sp into my tanks. Not all into weapons but a lot into weapons and enforcer tank. Which gives a boost to missile damage, which is still ****. If you said missile turrets would OP I would fall out from laughter and ask you what game you were playing. Should I not complaint that a handheld weapon that took according to you a fraction of the sp i have spent to get where i am and im useless to kill infantry and your not?

If all four missiles actually hit where I was aiming I wouldn't be here having this conversation bud

Unlike a missile turret it actually goes where you aim. Something that hasn't been looked at or fixed since day one

Because Missile Turrets are underpowered.

Turrets should be at least as good as infantry weapons. I can get out of my Sica and do more direct damage with my Forge Gun than I can with the Railgun. Same story for the Flaylock and missile turrets.

Flaylock = classic example of every fps' n00b tube

Flaylock = Learn2Bunnyhopnub

You realize this retort has more holes in it than randy senorita at a tj donkey show

You realize this retort has more holes in it than randy senorita at a tj donkey show

OP is right CCP was smoking when they made thr flaylock. Shoot at the enemy and boom enemy is dead.
Shoot the turret at the enemy and the enemy lives.
I'm lost for words with CCP, this have to be the worse release I've ever experienced. So much fail in dust it's not even funny.

To say im disappointed with CCP is an understatement. I hope sometime in the future they balance the game and fix all the issues. Until then may the force be with you on the battle field.

Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy.

Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy.

we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage.

we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage. ive been using cover a lot more to defend against flaylocks but sometimes forget about the arc. if this game allows noob tubes friendly fire should be on. this game is supposed to be about strategy, not point and shoot. thats why there are games like cod and battlefield. point and shoot. all it takes to get kills with a flaylock is to point and shoot, and could you imagine if everyone used flaylocks? first it was heavy machine guns, then it was lasers, then it was mass drivers, then it was a tac rifle (although that one shouldnt really have been nerfed, it still took skill to shoot) and now we are back onto noob tubes with a sidearm. ive noticed everything that is op being used by everyone. i just hope we can stop this one to where people are less motivated to get noobtubes.

i hate noobtubes. and if ive died by one im pretty sure someones heard me scream about it.

The only one on that nerf list that needed a nerf was tact. Laser maybe, but its garbage now. The first heavy was GOD-mode but how many remember that?

what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most?

The only one on that nerf list that needed a nerf was tact. Laser maybe, but its garbage now. The first heavy was GOD-mode but how many remember that?

The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game.

Your posts leads me to 2 conclusions:

1) You are a scout suit user who sucks at jumping.
2) You never actually used the Flaylock yourself.

Very likely it's both of those ;)

Splash damage of the flaylock should have a very small radius, or a large radius but very low damage. The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game. Not even a railgun shot at somebodies feet can do this kind of damage. A flaylock requires absolutely no skill whatsoever. The reason people aren't running around screaming need is because it takes little investment to get and nobody who is using it has the balls to say this weapon is OP. This weapon out-damages mass drivers, rail guns, and missile turrets with its insane splash damage and accuracy, and because of its trajectory range it can be used at max range if you aim high enough.

The problem with nerfs in this game isnt that the people screaming nerf are AR LOVRS, or that they are COD FANBOYS, it is that many of these guns require little to no skill to use for insane 2-3 shot kills. Yes an AR requires little skill also but it doesnt let me kill somebody in 3 shots. For example the mass driver just needed a reduction in ammo and reload so you have to pick your shots carefully instead of bunny hopping and dropping bombs everywere. The LR was fine except the viziam.

I don't use noob weapons I'm good

Because its the new gun..

Everyone must get addicted to the pay guns that are op.

Its how you make money.

The Flaylock pistol being an infantry weapon means that people with other guns feel that they can easily kill the user.

Someone on a turret with exactly the same damage output is OP because they're harder to hit.

If you're in a tank, your weapons being able to easily kill infantry is absolutely unacceptable.

That's about the size of it.

Funny thing is that people are not complaining about Flaylocks in general... They are complaining about the CORE Flaylock...

Just like people complain about most other Prototype weapons...

CCP. Please make Prototype weapons 5 times more expensive, so that their OP status can be justified, and so that people have no excuse to complain, anymore... ( '-_-)

what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most?

i agree the injector is broke

The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense.

Proto small missile turrets do like 200 splash damage, maybe "smaller = better"

Proto small missile turrets do like 200 splash damage, maybe "smaller = better"

lol, nice try, AR is still king

Do I put an AR or Flaylock on my logi... h'mm, this sure is a hard choice...

Why you complaining about flaylocks then? A pro like you should be able to land a headshot with a scrambler before they even have time to fire their first shot

Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy.

You must be kidding. Do you want turrets/tanks to be the ultimate to use killing machines? Would be unfair if we all had to deal with super strong infinite ammo shooters.

If you want easy killing turrets then request CCP give them limit ammo.

The only thing that makes sense is that Wolfman needs to be fired for ever letting this broken weapon pass QA

Flaylock = Learn2Bunnyhopnub

Hey man.... at least there not guided mini missiles like the devs hinted at before it was released, if they were i'd probably die of high blood pressure.....

The only thing that makes sense is that Wolfman needs to be fired for ever letting this broken weapon pass QA

The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense.

Wrong on both nice try though. I don't use noob weapons I'm good if you think in wrong take a nice look at the player counts we are stuck with the beta players again lol.

Why you complaining about flaylocks then? A pro like you should be able to land a headshot with a scrambler before they even have time to fire their first shot

Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy.

Do you have to reload the large missile turret after 3 shots? No you don't...which makes it perfectly balanced

The Flaylock pistol being an infantry weapon means that people with other guns feel that they can easily kill the user.

Someone on a turret with exactly the same damage output is OP because they're harder to hit.

If you're in a tank, your weapons being able to easily kill infantry is absolutely unacceptable.

That's about the size of it.

Has anyone seen the Viziam scrambler pistol? Thing is crazy powerful.

No they haven't seen them because people haven't realised their MASSIVE dmg potential and haven't started using them in larger numbers for people to declare them OP, yet.

No they haven't seen them because people haven't realised their MASSIVE dmg potential and haven't started using them in larger numbers for people to declare them OP, yet.

Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy.

how long is your reload time? thats what i thought.. you cant find one thing that makes this arguement fit for the flaylock im sorry

Do you have any idea how much damage similar weapons can pump out in the time it takes a flaylock user to reload? If not, look it up...and then shut up, because you seemingly only look at individual stats instead of really comparing things.

PS: If you almost quit playing the game because tanks don't work for you...well...you clearly suck at tanks.

You forget that when flaylocks are reloading the user is jumping around all over the place or running in circlers making him impossible to hit.

When the other gun is done jumping around they have to stop to shoot and you might have a chance to kill them at this time, a flaylock on the other hand if the previous shots landed just needs 1 more shot to kill. Also you can reload while moving but not when sprinting, I meant just general moving around everywhere.

Except one weapon requires aiming while the other requires shooting at the ground and letting splash damage do the work.

Or 2-3 shots for a medium Amarr and Gallente suit, 3-5 shots for a medium Minmatar and Caldari suit, and 5-7 shots for a Amarr heavy. 1 shot for any medium suit with no shields, and 2 shots for any Armor suit buffer tanking.

Actually my concern with the weapon is actually that it is made to punish armor users a little bit to much, we already have the majority of weapons doing this; where as no degree of shield punishing weapon can come close to it, since destroying shields doesn't destroy the armor . I do have ways to counter a flaylock pistol and that would be 2 fused locus, P2W, or a thin alleyway and a remote explosive waiting for you. But when it comes to a armor user vs a flaylock without these there is a 95% chance the armor user will die before even getting a chance to even shoot their weapon.

When it comes to Gallente and Amarr medium suits even with shields its a 1 clip kill, for any other suit its 2 clips including a heavy.

Even so, it is still very powerful even when compared to a mass driver.

That's only because the mass driver is suffering from well known bugs...

Chromosome build mass driver. Thats pre-nerf, pre-bugs mass driver.

For those who mentioned reload speed, the flaylock's base reload speed is 2.5s, the AR reload speed at rapid reload level 5 is 2.55s.

Yes...and it's a light weapon...one that does even more damage and has a significantly longer range. Everything has drawbacks. What's your point?

It seems like your cherry-picking stats to "prove your point"

I was pointing out reload speeds but there are also people who use 2 core flaylocks and just swap them to get off 6 shots before having to reload. Also the core flaylock has a 2.5m radius which is 8.2ft and does does 246.675 splash damage at level 5 proficiency (I have lvl 5 for the AR with 7mil total SP). So thats a possible 740.025 and if you have 2 flaylocks its 1480.05 in a matter of seconds and thats with no damage mods. Lets say you don't have any proficiency then its 643.5 or 1287 with 2 from splash that has an 8.2 ft radius not to mention if the enemy is in armor its even more effective.

The Core Flaylock's is broken because
1) 2.5m splash radius
2) 11% difference between direct and splash
3) Ability to carry 2 allowing for 6 shots before reloading
4) 643.5 base splash damage for 3 shots is enough to kill most dropsuits
5) It only takes 45 CPU and 2 PG to equip

So wait...your basis for saying it's overpowered is by looking at the most extreme scenario with everything maxed? For crying out loud, you can do that with pretty much every gun and then claim it's OP

Yes, you can carry 2...but you can also carry two SP and get comparable damage. You're also assuming every shot hits...which simply isn't realistic unless you're facing a bad players. The splash damage is needed because of the slower bullet flight time, you need to lead shots way more...and are way more susceptible to good players who don't move in dumb predictable patterns...learn doing that and you would stop whining ;)

If you lose to a flaylock as a proto AR user you are A) bad at moving, B) bad at situational awareness, and C) apparently too dumb to take advantage of your better range. Learn to play the game and stop whining.

And again, the second you miss, you're at a massive disadvantage and essentially dead unless your opponent is a moron.

reread my post I listed the base stats as well and the base stats are what makes it OP the max stats are what make it ridiculous.

The base stats aren't overpowered given that it's a PROTO weapon. And again, it has enough drawbacks to compensate for its damage output.

Seems like you simply haven't adapted to cope against flaylocks with your cookie-cutter AR setup...or your situational awareness sucks. Probably both ;)

I run a cal logi so I have plenty of shields and I destroy flaylock users with my proficiency 5 duovolle, my points are about it ridiculously OP against people who run armor tanking dropsuits. Also your points about range mean that a Heavy is just screwed against these because HMGs have to be close and flaylocks are extra effective against armor.

It has a huge splash radius and a ton of splash damage, reduce one of those and it will be fine.

So wait...you don't have any issues as a shield user, but your aim is to also make it worthless against armor tankers? Sounds reasonable

If a heavy user loses to a flaylock user his situational awareness simply sucks...which isn't a sign that the flaylock is OP

Just to prove how wrong you are, in order for a flaylock to win against a heavy, he needs to hit with every single shot...because once he has to reload, he's toast.

PS: Not surprised you run the FOTM though, seems like those whining the hardest are those running cookie-cutter setups and are then angry if anyone comes even close to being as effective as they are.

He doesn't have to hit any shots because he has an 8.2ft splash radius and almost 650 base splash that is extra effective against armor

Again, that's if his splash damage hits every single time...which is only possible if the opponent is standing still or moving in predictable dumb patterns...which is the opponents fault because he clearly sucks at the game. If he doesn't face a dumb opponent and/or doesn't hit every splash damage, he's basically toast because the opponent has 2.5sec to shoot at him while he reloads.

Your essentially trying to balance a weapon against dumb players who suck

Love how you mention how it's "extra effective against armor" while conveniently leaving out the FACT that it completely sucks against shields.

Also the core flaylock has a 2.5m radius which is 8.2ft

246.675 splash damage

The Core Flaylock's is broken because
1) 2.5m splash radius

2) 11% difference between direct and splash

3) Ability to carry 2 allowing for 6 shots before reloading

4) 643.5 base splash damage for 3 shots is enough to kill most dropsuits

5) It only takes 45 CPU and 2 PG to equip

It has a huge splash radius and a ton of splash damage, reduce one of those and it will be fine.

Try shooting a flaylock uphill.

The Weapon is very good from elevated
Good on even ground
Near useless when aiming at elevated red dots

Yet another major drawback the whiners conveniently forget to mention

Your posts leads me to 2 conclusions:

1) You are a scout suit user who sucks at jumping.
2) You never actually used the Flaylock yourself.

Very likely it's both of those ;)