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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:33:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy. The Flaylock pistol being an infantry weapon means that people with other guns feel that they can easily kill the user.
Someone on a turret with exactly the same damage output is OP because they're harder to hit.
If you're in a tank, your weapons being able to easily kill infantry is absolutely unacceptable.
That's about the size of it. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
924
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:35:00 -
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Poor Flaylock, the whipping boy of New Eden small arms. Game balance is totally out of whack regarding vehicle turrets and shields vs. armor? Blame it all on the missile pistol.
Nerfling Flaylocks won't fix any of these underlying issues. |
Snod Narb
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:51:00 -
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we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage. ive been using cover a lot more to defend against flaylocks but sometimes forget about the arc. if this game allows noob tubes friendly fire should be on. this game is supposed to be about strategy, not point and shoot. thats why there are games like cod and battlefield. point and shoot. all it takes to get kills with a flaylock is to point and shoot, and could you imagine if everyone used flaylocks? first it was heavy machine guns, then it was lasers, then it was mass drivers, then it was a tac rifle (although that one shouldnt really have been nerfed, it still took skill to shoot) and now we are back onto noob tubes with a sidearm. ive noticed everything that is op being used by everyone. i just hope we can stop this one to where people are less motivated to get noobtubes.
i hate noobtubes. and if ive died by one im pretty sure someones heard me scream about it. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
852
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:53:00 -
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Snod Narb wrote:we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage.
Learn2jumphighernub |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:56:00 -
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Funny thing is that people are not complaining about Flaylocks in general... They are complaining about the CORE Flaylock...
Just like people complain about most other Prototype weapons...
CCP. Please make Protype weapons 5 times more expensive, so that their OP status can be justified, and so that people have no excuse to complain, anymore... ( '-_-) |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
112
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Posted - 2013.06.21 21:58:00 -
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Snod Narb wrote:we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage. ive been using cover a lot more to defend against flaylocks but sometimes forget about the arc. if this game allows noob tubes friendly fire should be on. this game is supposed to be about strategy, not point and shoot. thats why there are games like cod and battlefield. point and shoot. all it takes to get kills with a flaylock is to point and shoot, and could you imagine if everyone used flaylocks? first it was heavy machine guns, then it was lasers, then it was mass drivers, then it was a tac rifle (although that one shouldnt really have been nerfed, it still took skill to shoot) and now we are back onto noob tubes with a sidearm. ive noticed everything that is op being used by everyone. i just hope we can stop this one to where people are less motivated to get noobtubes.
i hate noobtubes. and if ive died by one im pretty sure someones heard me scream about it.
The only one on that nerf list that needed a nerf was tact. Laser maybe, but its garbage now. The first heavy was GOD-mode but how many remember that? |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
749
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:01:00 -
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The only thing wrong with the flaylock, is that it isn't an AR. That's all it takes to get unreasonably nerfed these days. Please note the mass killings from laser rifles and mass drivers.
Nerf nothing.
If you have to nerf something, you, by law, must now nerf an AR at the same time. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:04:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Snod Narb wrote:we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage. ive been using cover a lot more to defend against flaylocks but sometimes forget about the arc. if this game allows noob tubes friendly fire should be on. this game is supposed to be about strategy, not point and shoot. thats why there are games like cod and battlefield. point and shoot. all it takes to get kills with a flaylock is to point and shoot, and could you imagine if everyone used flaylocks? first it was heavy machine guns, then it was lasers, then it was mass drivers, then it was a tac rifle (although that one shouldnt really have been nerfed, it still took skill to shoot) and now we are back onto noob tubes with a sidearm. ive noticed everything that is op being used by everyone. i just hope we can stop this one to where people are less motivated to get noobtubes.
i hate noobtubes. and if ive died by one im pretty sure someones heard me scream about it. The only one on that nerf list that needed a nerf was tact. Laser maybe, but its garbage now. The first heavy was GOD-mode but how many remember that?
Laser Rifle didn't need a nerf, it was fine, except for the Viziam not having the right stats.
But as CCP were 'adjusting' it they said "To hell with it" and just nerfed it for the laugh, now the Laser Rifle is lucky if it even tickles somebody.
Plus, they added those crappy iron sights which was the worst idea ever. |
Snod Narb
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 22:56:00 -
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what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
315
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:00:00 -
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Splash damage of the flaylock should have a very small radius, or a large radius but very low damage. The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game. Not even a railgun shot at somebodies feet can do this kind of damage. A flaylock requires absolutely no skill whatsoever. The reason people aren't running around screaming need is because it takes little investment to get and nobody who is using it has the balls to say this weapon is OP. This weapon out-damages mass drivers, rail guns, and missile turrets with its insane splash damage and accuracy, and because of its trajectory range it can be used at max range if you aim high enough. |
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
315
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:12:00 -
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Snod Narb wrote:what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most?
Personally I dont complain about the nanite because even if it did work, I can't revive and rep my teammate fast enough before he gets his head blown off again, or because instead of reviving him I am running from the person who killed him since as a Gallente Logi I have very low survivability. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1721
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:15:00 -
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RoF is broken, that's why. |
Snod Narb
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:55:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Snod Narb wrote:we should shun noob-tube users! and bunny hopping doesnt help against splash damage. ive been using cover a lot more to defend against flaylocks but sometimes forget about the arc. if this game allows noob tubes friendly fire should be on. this game is supposed to be about strategy, not point and shoot. thats why there are games like cod and battlefield. point and shoot. all it takes to get kills with a flaylock is to point and shoot, and could you imagine if everyone used flaylocks? first it was heavy machine guns, then it was lasers, then it was mass drivers, then it was a tac rifle (although that one shouldnt really have been nerfed, it still took skill to shoot) and now we are back onto noob tubes with a sidearm. ive noticed everything that is op being used by everyone. i just hope we can stop this one to where people are less motivated to get noobtubes.
i hate noobtubes. and if ive died by one im pretty sure someones heard me scream about it. The only one on that nerf list that needed a nerf was tact. Laser maybe, but its garbage now. The first heavy was GOD-mode but how many remember that?
i was commenting on the trendings of noobs. when i first started dust i went logi. soon began to get **** faced by heavies so i started into heavy suits and guns, and then it was the laser rifle and i barely got into the mass driver but that one started to trend before the build when everyone got respecs. soon itll be a full match of everyone using flaylocks. im not saying the flaylock needs to be nerfed, i hate noob tubes, im saying flaylocks should be removed period. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1869
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:57:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game. lol, nice try, AR is still king
Do I put an AR or Flaylock on my logi... h'mm, this sure is a hard choice... |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:57:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:KING SALASI wrote:OP is right CCP was smoking when they made thr flaylock. Shoot at the enemy and boom enemy is dead. Shoot the turret at the enemy and the enemy lives. I'm lost for words with CCP, this have to be the worse release I've ever experienced. So much fail in dust it's not even funny.
To say im disappointed with CCP is an understatement. I hope sometime in the future they balance the game and fix all the issues. Until then may the force be with you on the battle field. Your posts leads me to 2 conclusions: 1) You are a scout suit user who sucks at jumping. 2) You never actually used the Flaylock yourself. Very likely it's both of those ;)
Wrong on both nice try though. I don't use noob weapons I'm good if you think in wrong take a nice look at the player counts we are stuck with the beta players again lol. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
113
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Posted - 2013.06.21 23:57:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Splash damage of the flaylock should have a very small radius, or a large radius but very low damage. The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game. Not even a railgun shot at somebodies feet can do this kind of damage. A flaylock requires absolutely no skill whatsoever. The reason people aren't running around screaming need is because it takes little investment to get and nobody who is using it has the balls to say this weapon is OP. This weapon out-damages mass drivers, rail guns, and missile turrets with its insane splash damage and accuracy, and because of its trajectory range it can be used at max range if you aim high enough.
The problem with nerfs in this game isnt that the people screaming nerf are AR LOVRS, or that they are COD FANBOYS, it is that many of these guns require little to no skill to use for insane 2-3 shot kills. Yes an AR requires little skill also but it doesnt let me kill somebody in 3 shots. For example the mass driver just needed a reduction in ammo and reload so you have to pick your shots carefully instead of bunny hopping and dropping bombs everywere. The LR was fine except the viziam. Lol the mass driver is nearly broken. First it takes MORE skill to use than an AR (I don't get a red dot saying I'm on target, and I have to lead with speed/lag.) Second it does laughable shield damage (main tank in the game) forcing any MD user to use flux. Go play some PC matches and see how many mass drivers get used. I play one daily and I have yet to see one on an opposing team.. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1869
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:01:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote: I don't use noob weapons I'm good
Why you complaining about flaylocks then? A pro like you should be able to land a headshot with a scrambler before they even have time to fire their first shot |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:24:00 -
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4 wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy. Because its the new gun.. Everyone must get addicted to the pay guns that are op. Its how you make money.
pay gun? the core flaylock is an isk item ? |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
164
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:24:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:Why is it that a flaylock pistol is better at killing infantry than a missile turret? Anyone have any suggestions to ease my mind. I just don't understand how a mini rocket is so much better at killing than a big missile from a large turret. Oh, because infantry don't cry when the weapon is in their hand. Go figure they make a handheld weapon that fires the same type of ammo as a turret and the handheld weapon is more effective. FTW Maybe I should have put my 10 mil sp into flaylocks. Rather than dumping it all into a worthless missile turret for a tank that infantry can dodge the splash damage, which doesn't even hurt the enemy. The Flaylock pistol being an infantry weapon means that people with other guns feel that they can easily kill the user. Someone on a turret with exactly the same damage output is OP because they're harder to hit. If you're in a tank, your weapons being able to easily kill infantry is absolutely unacceptable. That's about the size of it.
sounds about right |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
164
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:26:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Funny thing is that people are not complaining about Flaylocks in general... They are complaining about the CORE Flaylock...
Just like people complain about most other Prototype weapons...
CCP. Please make Prototype weapons 5 times more expensive, so that their OP status can be justified, and so that people have no excuse to complain, anymore... ( '-_-)
once again i say that my missile turret which is proto is less effective than this handheld weapon.. even the standard one |
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Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
166
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:27:00 -
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Snod Narb wrote:what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most?
i agree the injector is broke |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
166
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Posted - 2013.06.22 00:36:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Snod Narb wrote:what about the nanite problems? im going to look for the forum but why are people not complaining about that the most? i agree the injector is broke
ccp said to hell with the injector lets them lose the aur items so they have to buy more... (not really) but the injector should work as you have people paying for items with real money that are just being lost on the battlefield because my medic says its not letting me pick you up.. you should all start petitioning for your items back when this happens i bet they get on fixing it pretty quick |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:03:00 -
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The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
169
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:05:00 -
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someone else see's it |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
286
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:09:00 -
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The only thing that makes sense is that Wolfman needs to fired for ever letting this broken weapon pass QA |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1870
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:09:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense. Proto small missile turrets do like 200 splash damage, maybe "smaller = better" |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:19:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense. Proto small missile turrets do like 200 splash damage, maybe "smaller = better"
Right because logically small explosive should do more damage than large explosives. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
170
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Posted - 2013.06.22 01:19:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:The problem is that the difference in splash and direct damage of the Flalock is 11% and for the large missiles its 80%. Whats worse is that the splash damage of the STANDARD flaylock is 195 and the prototype accelerated missile is 104 could someone please explain how that makes sense. Proto small missile turrets do like 200 splash damage, maybe "smaller = better"
thats not what she said lol |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
317
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Posted - 2013.06.22 02:35:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:The weapon is probably the best weapon in the game. lol, nice try, AR is still king Do I put an AR or Flaylock on my logi... h'mm, this sure is a hard choice...
If it isn't nerfed by the time I am done with some skills I am switching my main to a flaylock. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.06.22 04:01:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:KING SALASI wrote: I don't use noob weapons I'm good
Why you complaining about flaylocks then? A pro like you should be able to land a headshot with a scrambler before they even have time to fire their first shot
Not complaing just pointing CCP was high as hell when they made gun. Makes no sense but whatever, just another broken gun to along with the other broken things. |
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