While I appreciate the drive to make suggestions for this very important issue, I think we also need to maintain continuity throughout the game, and I don't really see that happening with HP of vehicles going up and down based off the game mode...plus it just doesn't make sense physically.

A solution to all Vehicle/AV threads: Bomber LAAs, which in turn, can be countered by Interceptor LAA, which in turn, by MAAs

Tanks/AV will remain imbalanced no matter what we tweak until CCP realise that you have to balance primarily around the most scarce resource, which in online games is players.

A tank (HAV) should require three players working together to operate, and should take 3 players working together to kill. The tank should cost about 3 times as much as the AV suit. About 50% of the time the tank should kill the AV squad, about 50% of the time the AV squad should kill the tank.

How to achieve this? Make the driver operate the front gun, not the main gun. Give the main gun a limited field of view. Move the current "external camera" FOV to the top gun.

Tanks/AV will remain imbalanced no matter what we tweak until CCP realise that you have to balance primarily around the most scarce resource, which in online games is players.

A tank (HAV) should require three players working together to operate, and should take 3 players working together to kill. The tank should cost about 3 times as much as the AV suit. About 50% of the time the tank should kill the AV squad, about 50% of the time the AV squad should kill the tank.

How to achieve this? Make the driver operate the front gun, not the main gun. Give the main gun a limited field of view. Move the current "external camera" FOV to the top gun.

The problem then is that this will convert the game into HAV 514, which is why I suggested dedicated AV vehicles

Tank users want it to take a coordinated attack from AV specialists to bring down a tank which is understandable from their perspective. So if its supposed to take 3 proto AV to destroy a tank then it should take 3x the SP to skill into that tank relative to the SP cost for the AV specialists. Thats including modules, AV weapon, and dropsuit SP costs.

But SP isn't the limiting factor in battles, now that there are thousands of players with over 10 million SP, and it will only get worse as time passes and people get more SP.

If it takes multiple infantry to kill a tank (which I think it should) then it should take multiple crewmembers to operate one. Simple.

But SP isn't the limiting factor in battles, now that there are thousands of players with over 10 million SP, and it will only get worse as time passes and people get more SP.

If it takes multiple infantry to kill a tank (which I think it should) then it should take multiple crewmembers to operate one. Simple.

I can agree with that, I believe that driving the HAV and operating the main turret should be done by two separate individuals, but unfortunately that will only increase the likelihood of HAV drivers posting up on mountains and sniping with a railgun.

One thing that could help with balance would be giving HAV drivers finite ammo forcing them to have to utilize supply depots or some sort of vehicle nanohives that they have to equip.

nahh, finite ammo would make a tank worthless in battle....

so you saying my 2.5 mil tank should be taken out in 2.5 ( 1 shot) secs to 5 seconds (2 shots) by a 50K Iisk SHUKYNE forgegun whcih requires way less sp than my tank....

Note: When I'm saying AV, I'm talking about everything that is AV like swarms, forge gun, etc', not just the grenade.

Problem:
Coordinated AV destroys any tank faster than you can blink, making them useless in corp battles.
Solution:
Buff HAV's/nerf AV

Problem:
HAV's are too strong because blueberries cannot make a proper coordinated attack
Solution:
Buff AV/Nerf tanks

This is an endless cycle that has been going on since forever.
My suggestion is, in pub matches HAV's should be able to be taken down by 1-2 AV. (1 being proto AV, 2 being anything else)

In corp battles, their HP should be significantly higher to compensate for the coordination that comes with corps.
Requiring 3-4 AV (3 being proto,4 being everything else)

How so? There are supply depots, I suggested vehicle nanohives, hell there is the ammo capacity skill for infantry that could be added to vehicle skills.

because vehicles are vehicles, if you do finite ammo, they better buff my tank a lot, anyway we tankers barley have enough pg to put on 1 heavy shield extender b/c it is all taken up by the fking turrets, especially the small turrets, they are a waste of pg and cpu

Note sure if this was responding to me. If it was...

Equal # players, equal ISK, equal SP should be equal. A 2.5 mill HAV should be about equivalent to three 800K AV suits.

It should take as long for a 3-man AV squad to kill a 3-man HAV as the other way around, assuming equal ISK and SP. If one side has more ISK and/or SP than the other then they will do it quicker.

I think you need a stronger argument than "I want my OP tank to remain OP".

I think you need a stronger argument than "I want my OP tank to remain OP".

if their is finite ammo i request 25,000 blaster shots and 500 railgun shots..., this is not 2013, ammo in hybrid turrets are made by energy, i dont mind a energy bar... but as long as it recharges...

I do believe we need proto tanks and proto mods for our tanks before any more buffs or nerfs take place . As it stands we only have std and semi adv tanks . If we acctually get proto tanks and proto mods I think youd see a bit more balance.

so you saying my 2.5 mil tank should be taken out in 2.5 ( 1 shot) secs to 5 seconds (2 shots) by a 50K Iisk SHUKYNE forgegun whcih requires way less sp than my tank....