ya i think there's been people talking about this on the forums already

Sounds like a good idea. The match should have an extra feature though to give veterans incentive to earn more ISK and play as proto to get the higher ISK rewards.

Perhaps the top 5 players on the 'end of match leaderboards' (for each team) should be rewarded significantly more ISK based on there WP earned. Maybe 800 000 ISK more for coming 1st, and 700 000 ISK more for coming 2nd, 600 000 ISK for coming 3rd, 400 000 ISK for coming 4th, 350 000 ISK for coming 5th if all these players get more than 1300 WP for each individual player.

Eris Ernaga, mercs will always face other mercs with more SP than them. I've been there. You've been there. We've all been there. New players are going to have to learn to deal with enemies with more SP than them.

If the problem you have is facing off against too many players who use proto gear as a crutch, I agree. People should be allowed to run their proto fit whenever they feel like it; but losing their proto fit should cost them enough to consider the risk of losing it. This just isn't the case at the moment. Players are just too rich and proto gear too cheap. Even if a player runs out of isk from burning through too many proto fits, they can always fall back on their unlimited supply of starter fits. We as players have no consequence for being without isk and are not discouraged in the least from running our most expensive gear.

PS: I have around 8mil SP at the moment, only run standard/militia gear, and have killed and have been killed by people running proto gear many times.

Your "idea" is what PC and FW are supposed to be doing now. The problem is the rewards don't satisfy, and the lag renders the game unplayable. If CCP can fix those two game types, then you'll get your wish.

First off you are not a "vet"this word should be reserved for people who fight in actual battle in real life not a video game.

This game is horribly unbalanced and not really fun for new players unless they are in the academy. I am finding myself more and more capping my active sp and letting the game sit until wedsnday. I don't have fun getting owned by 10 mil sp players every match and I cannot imagine anyone else does either. How many people actually see newer players sticking around anymore? I don't, this game is becoming more unbalanced every week as newer players are simply quoting or afk farming so they can stand a chance against the proto horde.

Lol getting angry over a word alright then I'll switch it to long term video game player. lmao

You are clueless dude...

You are clueless dude...

I have 10.1 mill skill points and have been playing for a year since June 2 this month. I would like to keep around instant battles for the randomness of it but expanding the academy would be great and giving a vets match only would not only be fun for vets but smart.

Thank you
Eris Ernaga

This is New Eden, a ruthless place where those who threaten to commit suicide are the butt of jokes. I never liked the notion of academy battles because It creates false expectations for new players. They will have to learn how to face other mercs with more SP than them eventually and coddling them further will be counter productive to that end.

Also, the reason for me mentioning my accumulated SP, the gear I run and how I fair in matches against proto fits is not to compare e-peens with you but rather to point out that I'm one of those that you wish to coddle and I do ok against your "vets".

Can't really like this post because I know if you had joined this game yesterday and there was no academy you would change up your tune quick. It comes down to fairness you simply don't put someone whos never played before up against a very old player if it was up to me it would be like this...

Tutorial/Boot Camp
Academy Tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, tier 4, tier 5
full access to mercenary battles and infantry battles
vet battles at 10 mill sp

Eris Ernaga, mercs will always face other mercs with more SP than them. I've been there. You've been there. We've all been there.

I started playing during Chromosome, open beta, before academy battles where implemented and my opinions during that time were pretty much the same as they are now. What you "know" of me is not fact. Fairness is not in the culture of New Eden.

You speak of "New Eden" like it is your religion, go outside and get some fresh air...

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1. This is the real world where people invest their time into games that provide a little bit of gratification and they aren't destroyed every match. Furthermore, this community is built of people that have lives and obligations other than building an imaginary character in a video game.

2. This is a world of highly competitive business where the consumer has multiple choices in titles and can leave a game whenever he or she chooses. This includes leaving a free to play game that the consumer has little time invested in because they aren't obligated in recuperating $59.99 for a title. A world of low profit margins, especially considering the game being free 2 play. I would imagine the thought of so many new players leaving would worry ccp, since this is going to be the bulk of their revenue.

3. The fact is at this moment, I don't see this game growing in the direction that CCP wants it to. To most businesses the prospect of limited growth is a killer. CCP probably has obligations to investors to turn some kind of gain. This will require them to bring in new revenue aka new players. I just don't see more new players coming in, especially with how unbalanced the game is coming out of the Academy.

4. Players need the ability of choosing where they want to play and who they want to play with. More experienced players need to be matched up against each other. Until these systems are in place i'm gonna keep building my passive SP unemployment and wait until I can fare up against the proto horde.

bring on the haters ;).

I started playing during Chromosome, open beta, before academy battles where implemented and my opinions during that time were pretty much the same as they are now. What you "know" of me is not fact. Fairness is not in the culture of New Eden.

As all of the veterans are quitting PC because playing that is miserable, vets are back roaming pub games making everyone there feeling miserable

kinda funny...

Yes and I have been playing since closed beta your not a old player your views and opinion doesn't direct the way CCP will shape and make their game especially if that opinion is unfair. You should be stripped of all your skill points and ran in instant battles until you can't take it anymore and quit.

Thanks
Eris Ernaga

Can't really like this post because I know if you had joined this game yesterday and there was no academy you would change up your tune quick. It comes down to fairness you simply don't put someone whos never played before up against a very old player if it was up to me it would be like this...

I feel like I'm talking to a little boy when I have to constantly remind you that you are still taking my posts out of context because you lack the ability of comprehension. It's not that I can't walk you though each sentence and explain the logic and how it relates to the thread as a whole, you're simply not worth it.

Every shoddy attempt of a rebuttal you make relies on misinterpretation, pure assumptions, personal attacks, comparing apples to oranges, e-peen stroking, and a holier-than-thou attitude that make religious extremist look sane. On this note, you are a complete disgrace to the State and should participate in the tea Makers ceremony.

If one were to bother searching for your past posts, they would see that you are incapable of taking criticism and respond to anyone that disagrees with you by throwing tantrums like a little boy. So rage on little firecracker boy. Your tears fill my cup with sweet nectar and your rage warms it.

After I blatantly tell you that I'm going to troll you from now on to your face, you immediately respond in tears and rage.

I wonder how long I can milk you little firecracker boy?

I must wholeheartedly agree with giving us veterans of dust a place to play because this is supposed to be a mmo and right now it feels like battlefield's futuristic red headed stepchild instead of an mmorpgfps. we need fixes for mcc afk farming we need fixes for PC lag we need matchup balancing because most of us come from playstation fps games like Call of Duty, Kill Zone, Battlefield, and medal of honor and these games require a lot more skill than Dust 514 in fact you don't have to be that skilled to be any good at dust you just have to have a lot of sp

PS: i am sick of hearing how ruthless new eden is. if thats the case let us blow up peoples spaceships and space stations or board and capture someone's spaceshipand sell it that would be ruthless

Eris Ernaga, mercs will always face other mercs with more SP than them. I've been there. You've been there. We've all been there. New players are going to have to learn to deal with enemies with more SP than them.

If the problem you have is facing off against too many players who use proto gear as a crutch, I agree. People should be allowed to run their proto fit whenever they feel like it; but losing their proto fit should cost them enough to consider the risk of losing it. This just isn't the case at the moment. Players are just too rich and proto gear too cheap. Even if a player runs out of isk from burning through too many proto fits, they can always fall back on their unlimited supply of starter fits. We as players have no consequence for being without isk and are not discouraged in the least from running our most expensive gear.

PS: I have around 8mil SP at the moment, only run standard/militia gear, and have killed and have been killed by people running proto gear many times.

This is the answer. Fix the problem at the source

The funnest matches come when the battles are neck and neck, tide changes; that's how you know it's the team as a whole who wins or loses. There's frustration when you are paired with noobies, or the other team is too good. It's a delicate balance.

bump

This thread details some ideas that may reduce the blood pressure of noobs and vets alike as it allows what you are suggesting within a structured way for vets and noobs to party together on the battlefield. Vets don't like easy fights and new players don't like bashing heads with vets all the time but there is a way to do it so that we can all play together and have a "fair" battle ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=972461#post972461

Sadly at the moment with the low player base yet ANOTHER game mode would attempt to kill Dust...

Its not a bad idea , its just the player base is constant but low...

I think battles should have gear or meta levels, just like equipment, weapons and modules do, say there's regular matches where only STD gear can be spawned, matches for ADV gear and then free matches where you can boast around in proto-gear, that way both veterans and newbies can be happy and get to choose how to participate in battles. Maybe that would create virtual tiers or hangouts, you know, groups of players frequenting one match level, which would reduce the pool of potential games and foes but also make it more fair for beginners.

I was just going to say: "Hell, let the vets go there." But... I reconsidered.

So I'd say that there needs to be an instant battle opition that opens up once you have, say, 7 Million SP allocated (or whatever number is deemed more appropriate). The option could just be called "Veteran Skirmish" or "Veteran Ambush," to keep thing simple. That option would only let you whip out ADV suits or PROTO ones.

Please CCP lets give the vets somewhere to go how about a match labeled veterans battle this is for 10 mill skill points and above players only. Everyone here will have a chance because they will all obviously be specialized into something. I can only imagine what strategys these players would come up with and what they would loose on the battlefield. Instant battles are plagued with veterans in EVE would you put a trial account up against a 1 or 2 year player? Thanks for reading on my idea guys.

Eris Ernaga

I think the mode you are looking for is PC battle...

I've been playing for around a week now, I know I hold absolutely no clout, and i'm not really making any suggestions cause my knowledge is so limited, but here is what i'm seeing:

It's rough for new players. I'm sure it has always been pretty rough for new players. At first I thought a gear based tier system would be good for matchmaking, but I understand now that is not the solution. I don't know what the solution is. Regardless of that, the feeling I get right now is, __ out of every 10 matches I will be utterly worthless. __ out of every 10 matches I will be unable to kill ANYONE at all, __ out of 10 matches almost any weapon from almost any range will kill me in well under a second. Now i'm saying "__ out of 10" because based on the day, the time, and who all is on the same team as me, things do get better or worse. I've found the later it gets at night (i'm on Eastern Standard Time) the more stout the opposition. Also, with today being my first REAL Wednesday, I've found today particularly rough, as i'm guessing everyone is trying to cap out. I don't know how many noobs are AFKing, but if any are, I wanna say I can't blame them, even though I won't, and do not approve. I personally don't AFK (and I have the sh1tty stats to prove it lol). I'm not complaining. If this is what everyone goes through, then I should have to go through it as well. But when you're worried about adding new players and, more importantly, retaining new players, to say "yeah, you can't really do **** until you're a couple months in at least", that seems to be a pretty self destructive business model. Especially when your income counts on people saying "ok, I like and or enjoy this game, i'll throw down some cash" as opposed to "well I spent 60 bucks on the game, it sucks, moving on". Would you buy an oven from Sears if they told you that it wouldn't work right for 2 or 3 months? It'll turn on, you just can't cook anything with it. You'd go to Brandsmart and spend an extra 60 bucks to buy an oven you could use right then. I won't lie, I've vented (borderline complained lol) on a few posts here in the forum, but sometimes that's the only thing I am able to do. I am in it for the long haul good or bad, for now at least, and hopefully, sooner rather than later, I hit the point where i'm able to compete with seasoned, well equipped Dust members in meaningful battles. That being said, once I finally do become a seasoned, well equipped member of the Dust community, if my only options for battle are laggy, crappy PC battles (<---I know nothing at all of these ATM) or continually ass raping Rookies, i'm not sure I would want to play anymore.

Eris Ernaga, mercs will always face other mercs with more SP than them. I've been there. You've been there. We've all been there. New players are going to have to learn to deal with enemies with more SP than them.

If the problem you have is facing off against too many players who use proto gear as a crutch, I agree. People should be allowed to run their proto fit whenever they feel like it; but losing their proto fit should cost them enough to consider the risk of losing it. This just isn't the case at the moment. Players are just too rich and proto gear too cheap. Even if a player runs out of isk from burning through too many proto fits, they can always fall back on their unlimited supply of starter fits. We as players have no consequence for being without isk and are not discouraged in the least from running our most expensive gear.

PS: I have around 8mil SP at the moment, only run standard/militia gear, and have killed and have been killed by people running proto gear many times.

I'm giving the input i'm able to give based on my experience. I COULD start making sweeping suggestions based on absolutely nothing if you want. Or I could go and quote every last sentence that applies to my statements from this thread and have a novel for everyone to read. Or you could try and avoid +1ing my posts if you're gonna turn around and bash them.

Plus, there were some who didn't agree with the general idea you are discussing. I was merely stating your point in a different light. Not to say others are wrong, as I stated, I hold no clout, just putting in my 2 cents. I was trying to back up your point.

After being in 3 complete stompings where the older players were racking up 20-30+(around 4 in one match alone) kills on people who had no idea how to fight back all I can say is wtf, how do you expect someone who can hardly even get a standard dropsuit or even standard gear to face against someone in full proto with over 10mil of sp. The matches aren't even fun anymore,....

Please CCP lets give the vets somewhere to go how about a match labeled veterans battle this is for 10 mill skill points and above players only. Everyone here will have a chance because they will all obviously be specialized into something. I can only imagine what strategys these players would come up with and what they would loose on the battlefield. Instant battles are plagued with veterans in EVE would you put a trial account up against a 1 or 2 year player? Thanks for reading on my idea guys.

Eris Ernaga

+10

I made this exact request about a week ago. See if you agree. It's in this thread.

Is there anyone who believes this would keep proto squads out of pub matches? Maybe for a while, but as soon as those precious kds start to drop... it's back to pubstomping. Given the choice, I think alot of these players would rather feel like superman than face a challenge. Even if it is an act that drives away new players and harms the game.

New players need to learn to work together and communicate. Form squads and set objectives. It doesn't take a proto suit to lay waste to unorganized solo player teams.

Is there anyone who believes this would keep proto squads out of pub matches? Maybe for a while, but as soon as those precious kds start to drop... it's back to pubstomping. Given the choice, I think alot of these players would rather feel like superman than face a challenge. Even if it is an act that drives away new players and harms the game.

New players need to learn to work together and communicate. Form squads and set objectives. It doesn't take a proto suit to lay waste to unorganized solo player teams.

This should definitely happen

I like the idea but would like it to be open for any player but provide warning for those under 10mill. Also have this as the primary battles for 10mill+. I say make it open bevause while I'm well under the 10mill I can hold myown against full proto and would like the challange

I think it might work better with wp, and what about multiple levels amateur pro vet LEGEND

Tiericide....

Matchmaking balance.

BTW, is State Patriots accepting apps?

Looking for a good Caldari FW corp.

BTW, is State Patriots accepting apps?

Looking for a good Caldari FW corp.

I'm a good recruiter though I can also hook you up with some Caldari channels.

Bump.

I believe limiting gear is not the way to go and that it should be done by allocated or total sp.