I personally think the SMG and maybe even the Scrambler Pistol could use a freaking buff. I have been running around for like two or three days, with an Advanced SMG, and even the freaking MILITIA assault rifle beats me every time. I sit here and want to know who's idea it was to make an SMG even more useless than the militia assault rifle, because they need to be slapped. If I want to run around with an SMG, I shouldn't need a 'better' primary. I should be able to use my SMG as my primary and not have to worry about whether the next Militia Assault rifle will kill me or if I will have to unload half a clip into them before they even know whats going on so that I have a freaking chance of killing them!

"But the SMG has a higher rate of fire, a bigger clip size, and more max ammo! It doesn't need more damage!" Well, when its lethal range is 5 feet, yeah... it kind of does.

Now that I've ranted, you may proceed with the hating. You may begin to call me a noob, insult my intelligence, say you know everything about the game of Dust 516 and I know nothing.

No, go ahead, seriously. I do not mind. I have heard it all before. I speak my mind, the rest of the community insults me and then we move on with our lives. This will very likely be the exact same.

I personally think the SMG and maybe even the Scrambler Pistol could use a freaking buff. I have been running around for like two or three days, with an Advanced SMG, and even the freaking MILITIA assault rifle beats me every time. I sit here and want to know who's idea it was to make an SMG even more useless than the militia assault rifle, because they need to be slapped. If I want to run around with an SMG, I shouldn't need a 'better' primary. I should be able to use my SMG as my primary and not have to worry about whether the next Militia Assault rifle will kill me or if I will have to unload half a clip into them before they even know whats going on so that I have a freaking chance of killing them!

"But the SMG has a higher rate of fire, a bigger clip size, and more max ammo! It doesn't need more damage!" Well, when its lethal range is 5 feet, yeah... it kind of does.

Now that I've ranted, you may proceed with the hating. You may begin to call me a noob, insult my intelligence, say you know everything about the game of Dust 516 and I know nothing.

No, go ahead, seriously. I do not mind. I have heard it all before. I speak my mind, the rest of the community insults me and then we move on with our lives. This will very likely be the exact same.

I personally think the SMG and maybe even the Scrambler Pistol could use a freaking buff. I have been running around for like two or three days, with an Advanced SMG, and even the freaking MILITIA assault rifle beats me every time. I sit here and want to know who's idea it was to make an SMG even more useless than the militia assault rifle, because they need to be slapped. If I want to run around with an SMG, I shouldn't need a 'better' primary. I should be able to use my SMG as my primary and not have to worry about whether the next Militia Assault rifle will kill me or if I will have to unload half a clip into them before they even know whats going on so that I have a freaking chance of killing them!

"But the SMG has a higher rate of fire, a bigger clip size, and more max ammo! It doesn't need more damage!" Well, when its lethal range is 5 feet, yeah... it kind of does.

Now that I've ranted, you may proceed with the hating. You may begin to call me a noob, insult my intelligence, say you know everything about the game of Dust 516 and I know nothing.

No, go ahead, seriously. I do not mind. I have heard it all before. I speak my mind, the rest of the community insults me and then we move on with our lives. This will very likely be the exact same.

Now that I've ranted, you may proceed with the hating. You may begin to call me a noob, insult my intelligence, say you know everything about the game of Dust 516 and I know nothing.

Ha! Seriously? You've been using them a few days and think they need a buff? I've used only a pistol and SMG as my sole weapons for the past 2 months and there's zero wrong with them. Use the scrambler for a bit of range and the SMG for close encounters or when you've got the shields down.

Keep in mind that they are sidearms and don't have great range. Take your time with the pistol to maximise your chance of getting the headshot. Jump and strafe all over the place when using the SMG and consider speccing up to the assault variants. Speccing up the pistol is a huge help as well because you get the extra rounds in the clip.

Remember that as they are sidearms, they take up a lot less CPU/PG than light or heavy weapons, so you've got a lot more fitting room for modules.

...maybe even the Scrambler Pistol could use a freaking buff.

Well, the SMG was designed to be a backup weapon, y'know, a sidearm....
This ain't CoD where SMGs are top tier primary weapons.

Ha! Seriously? You've been using them a few days and think they need a buff? I've used only a pistol and SMG as my sole weapons for the past 2 months and there's zero wrong with them. Use the scrambler for a bit of range and the SMG for close encounters or when you've got the shields down.

Keep in mind that they are sidearms and don't have great range. Take your time with the pistol to maximise your chance of getting the headshot. Jump and strafe all over the place when using the SMG and consider speccing up to the assault variants. Speccing up the pistol is a huge help as well because you get the extra rounds in the clip.

Remember that as they are sidearms, they take up a lot less CPU/PG than light or heavy weapons, so you've got a lot more fitting room for modules.

This is such bull****. COMPLETE bull****. You clearly have never used an SMG, do not get the point of SMG's, and know nothing of the way of the scout.

If sidearms weren't designed to be mained, CCP would not have developed multiple fits you can buy for aurum that use sdearms and nothing else.

The mercenary pack features a scout with an SMG. One of the premade fits you can buy is a scout with just a pistol. CCP designed these fits themselves. You SHOULD be able to use an SMG and do just fine, but compared to how little damage they do, how short their range is, how weak the class is that would even like to use the weapon - it all adds up to make the SMG a complete waste of SP. The only time I see people use it is as a sidearm for their bigger, better weapon.

If the SMG wasn't designed to be mained THEN WHY THE HELL DOES IT TAKE SO MUSH CPU TO HOLD THE PROTOTYPE SMG'S?

Every weapon in this game is designed to be mained, if used correctly, but by using the SMG in the "correct" fashion the developers want you to use it - it's just to unfeasible .

in all honesty, smg's are working as intended. a corp mate of mine runs around with a proto swarm at prof. 4 and an m209 assault smg at prof.4 with sharpshooter 5 and he WRECKS people. its like any other weapon, gotta really skill into it to make it shine.

STFU (Skill the **** up)

The damage they do against armor is cool and this is effective against heavies but what isn't effective against them at this stage? In anycase grenades and flaylock would kill the heavy or gallente faster.

And also why the high fittings? it's not as good as the flaylock but is harder to fit. Are the fitting costs higher because it's physically bigger? In chromosome they costs as much isk as ARS. It is like ccp thinks smgs are far more powerful than they even have potential of being and set up all these blocks to make you spec so much into it to even fit proto smgs..and then they release flaylocks ? None of it makes sense to me. What is the point of it having a skill tree at all if the toxin is basically all you need