But how much isk is enough? mlt lav should be used to ferry troops quickly to a destination. Through bad game design they are capable of a lot more, the devs need to reign them in either by letting them be easily destroyed through small arms fire or making their impact damage so absurbingly small that it would take a top speed run along the roads to actually kill a troop.

Also I got the elite pack, ill be damned if I stand for being charged to use a gift I got for investing in this ****.

Free LAVs are not the problem. It's the instant death when grazed at any speed compounded by the HP/rep rate/speed of these lavs further imbalanced by the buggy av nades that may or may not decide to deal damage and the nano hive or supply depo that may or may not want to give you more of them.

I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE *GASPS*

Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned.

Militia vehicles need to not exist.

At all.

Militia vehicles need to not exist.

At all.

Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned.

Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works.

Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works.

Uh..................................................................................................

Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved.

/your opinion

So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up?

Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this.

because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part?

because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part?

Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage).

Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this.

because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part?

Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage).

................................................................. you're kidding...................................................

Why? I feel that my solution is the best way to tackle this problem. Charge ISK for the LAVs once you get out of academy. Murdertaxi rate in games will drop substantially.

Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this.

When I would play heavy I would do this to replenish armor and it cost me a suit. Granted the last time I did this was in chromo and haven't tried it in uprising because I specced out of heavy. Since uprising I have only used the supply depot to change suits. So no I'm not kidding.

Spark u say the same thing about physics all the time. It's funny bc I'm sure u have a middle school understanding of physics. That aside physics mean nothing in a video game. It's about balance and gameplay.

You must be new. Isk means nothing to most players.

Hit a slab of meat in a butcher shop with a baseball bat, then hit a basketball with same baseball bat.

It literally denies science to say that you shouldn't die when getting hit by a car. In every other game I've played with vehicles, you could kill people by running them over. Why do you want this to be different? Why should it be different in that one aspect?

Just because in the lore, we developed faster than light travel, doesn't mean that cars magically stop killing people.

Sooooo what you're saying its you eat paint chips... Right, it all make sense now.

Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.

You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.

If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you.

This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs.

INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong.

INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong.

Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty.


Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs.

There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason.

Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty.


Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs.

There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason.

Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.

They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV.

I don't think they ever said that.
Racial variants of existing vehicles are coming in the next 5-11 months, new vehicle types are coming after 17 months or more. This is the time frame provided at the Advancing The Core presentation of Fanfest.

The fact that CCP needs to be told is enough to make you realize this game is doomed.

Charge ISK for LAVs. Once you get out of academy, all vehicles should cost ISK. They charge for MLT tanks so why are MLT LAVs still free in the game? Get'em outta here. Free suits and whatever BPOs you have is all that should be ISK free. It is silly that a vehicle would just be given to someone with no repercussions in the EVE universe.

And if someone brings up noobships, well that is a different game where you need a ship. In Dust drop suits are the IBIS, Impairor, Velator and Reaper. Sniper, Medic, Assault and AV. No need for a free LAV.

They talked about it during fanfest. The bottom right 2 are the speeders.

http://i.imgur.com/4xNAmjj.png

Why no free tanks and dropship starter fits? same reason why no free specialized suits (assaults, logis, sentinels, scouts), or other basic frames in the infantry starter fits. Medium basic frame dropsuit starter fits are only a starting point, just like LAVs are just a starting point.

"If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them" That isn't really logical reasoning, its just your opinion of how things should be. It doesn't explain why things should be that way, or why LAVs shouldn't be free.
That BS can just as easily apply to infantry starter fits also, "If you want to use dropsuits and infantry gear outside of academy, then buy them". If starter LAVs shouldn't be free after the academy, neither should infantry fits.

I'm done arguing with you now, I'm starting to think you're trolling; seriously, you're the one who's complaining to change the game, yet anyone anyone who doesn't agree with you should STFU? lol. You must be trolling.

By the power invested in me by my obscene amount of likes, I judge myself the winner of this argument

No, the solution is an HP nerf to MLT LAVS so they get OHK'd by everything OR to remove mlt lavs completely. Honestly, mlt tanks would be easier to deal with.

A car that cant run people over................more like stupid idea

I'll reply an awesome forum technique I learned here.
"Go play... GTA..."

http://youtu.be/GuucNO45NsY

You are fine with this^^^

They could allow dropsuits to activate inertial dampeners all the time with cooldown). Thus allowing protection from LAV when you see it coming, and still allow taxi kills when victim is unprepared or unable to escape before cooldown is ready.

would make sense that dampener could be used this way.

Spark u

The solution to paper : scissors.

You are welcome.

When scissors cost ISK and paper is free, paper is OP.

^ war on mlt gear. So pointless. It's the roadkills that are the problem.

Charge ISK for LAVs. Once you get out of academy, all vehicles should cost ISK. They charge for MLT tanks so why are MLT LAVs still free in the game? Get'em outta here. Free suits and whatever BPOs you have is all that should be ISK free. It is silly that a vehicle would just be given to someone with no repercussions in the EVE universe.

And if someone brings up noobships, well that is a different game where you need a ship. In Dust drop suits are the IBIS, Impairor, Velator and Reaper. Sniper, Medic, Assault and AV. No need for a free LAV.

Boo Hoo

Get some AV grenades...free 90 points / LAV

Plus an additional 50 for every passenger

When scissors cost ISK and paper is free, paper is OP.

Can ADV/PRO packed/standard AV nades OHK a MLT or poorly fit STD LAV?

How about you pay ISK for your LAV instead.

Can ADV/PRO packed/standard AV nades OHK a MLT or poorly fit STD LAV?

BPO militia anti-armor suit can 2-shot BPO militia LAVs easily. Both are free. So, yes you too can use free $hit to blow up free $hit.

Death taxis have obvious weaknesses, but instead of spawning with AV to match the LAV you're up against, you come to the forums and whine to CCP for a nerf.

Starting to think it might be better if CCP didn't listen to players. Sheesh.

Easily.