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Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 243	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:34:00 - [1] - Quote Charge ISK for LAVs. Once you get out of academy, all vehicles should cost ISK. They charge for MLT tanks so why are MLT LAVs still free in the game? Get'em outta here. Free suits and whatever BPOs you have is all that should be ISK free. It is silly that a vehicle would just be given to someone with no repercussions in the EVE universe. And if someone brings up noobships, well that is a different game where you need a ship. In Dust drop suits are the IBIS, Impairor, Velator and Reaper. Sniper, Medic, Assault and AV. No need for a free LAV.
SENATOR KODOS Intara Direct Action Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:35:00 - [2] - Quote The fact that CCP needs to be told is enough to make you realize this game is doomed.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 52	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:37:00 - [3] - Quote But how much isk is enough? mlt lav should be used to ferry troops quickly to a destination. Through bad game design they are capable of a lot more, the devs need to reign them in either by letting them be easily destroyed through small arms fire or making their impact damage so absorbingly small that it would take a top speed run along the roads to actually kill a troop. Also I got the elite pack, ill be damned if I stand for being charged to use a gift I got for investing in this ****.
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 47	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:40:00 - [4] - Quote my solution (not very serious so don't throw a fit): blueprint AV nades for the AV suit. But instead of 3 you only get 2 and their slightly weaker then the MLTs.
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 243	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:43:00 - [5] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: But how much isk is enough? mlt lav should be used to ferry troops quickly to a destination. Through bad game design they are capable of a lot more, the devs need to reign them in either by letting them be easily destroyed through small arms fire or making their impact damage so absurbingly small that it would take a top speed run along the roads to actually kill a troop. Also I got the elite pack, ill be damned if I stand for being charged to use a gift I got for investing in this ****. The pack LAV was purchased for real money to be used infinitely. So it falls under my BPO clause. But with that LAV you need to fit a gun to it or you can't deploy it, so you are already spending ISK on it. Also, free MLT LAVs already die really fast to my AV grenades, so they don't need a nerf on that end. But the fact that they can be spawned infinitely at no cost is what needs to stop.
Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 147	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:55:00 - [6] - Quote All free LAVs need to go, not just the the weak militia ones but the ones from the packs as well. It doesn't matter if people get pissy that they lose their infinitely spawnable murder taxi because you can damn well bet that there's some fine print somewhere warning you that items can be removed or replaced at CCP's whim. If you don't get rid of all of them you've just added another pay to win aspect to the game where every single other person using a LAV has to use it sensibly but people with a BPO can continue playing like it's mario kart. Want a solution that solves the murder taxi and lets people keep their free rides? All infinitely spawnable LAVs become one seaters and treat all targets as friendlys when running people over.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.06.05 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote Free LAVs are not the problem. It's the instant death when grazed at any speed compounded by the HP/rep rate/speed of these lavs further imbalanced by the buggy av nades that may or may not decide to deal damage and the nano hive or supply depo that may or may not want to give you more of them.
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 243	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:04:00 - [8] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Free LAVs are not the problem. It's the instant death when grazed at any speed compounded by the HP/rep rate/speed of these lavs further imbalanced by the buggy av nades that may or may not decide to deal damage and the nano hive or supply depo that may or may not want to give you more of them. I have personally survived a few LAV hits. They must not of been going fast enough to kill me with impact, but they died all the same when I threw my AV nades at them. The fact that they are free is the problem. When you add an ISK penalty to a gameplay option people are less likely to throw it away. Those that still wish to use LAVs as a way to get around are not punished because you can now recall vehicles. That is good gameplay. But if you wish to use your LAV to charge into a squad, know that they might be packing AV and be prepared to lose your ISK bought LAV.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 195	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3433	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:31:00 - [10] - Quote Militia vehicles need to not exist. At all.

Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 195	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:38:00 - [12] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. My swarm launcher holds 8 volleys. One volley will destroy any free lav as long as at least 4 hit. If you destroy enough the enemies will almost always stop spawning them. If they don't then more WP for you. Also nanohives.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 395	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:43:00 - [13] - Quote Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4215	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:46:00 - [14] - Quote HP is fine, they should not be pinatas Free LAVs are fine, vehicle users only get 1 starter fit while infantry gets 4. Increase momentum needed to roadkill, and make LAVs take some damage from hitting infantry.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 00:58:00 - [15] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Militia vehicles need to not exist. At all. I don't care what you say because I don't run militia vehicles. Has nobody realized yet that it's people with experience in the game and greater than 8mil SP, vs people with little to no experience in the game with less than 1mil SP? You want to take away from their experience so we have basically the same people fighting, with an incoming trickle of new people who leave just as fast because everybody is far more advanced than they are? Hell, I think new people having access to unlimited free vehicles makes it an even playing field. You have access to great AV grenades at relatively cheap cost both SP and ISK wise. It's not my fault you can't bother to use it.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:01:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Militia vehicles need to not exist. At all. Those are too difficult for you to blow up?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:01:00 - [17] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:03:00 - [18] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up?
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:04:00 - [19] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. Who +1 you for this post? Fanboi much? Now tell me, what incentive does a person using a free LAV while wearing a free suit have to not just spawn another one and do the same thing if they are set on just running people over? ADV. and Proto FG, AV nades and swarms do pretty much OHK a MLT LAV. That is not the point. The point is that it has no drawback for the person that spawned it. LLAVs cost ISK to fit and deploy. Yes, I hate getting run over by them, at the same time I love killing or hacking them because of it. And guess what, it is very rare that you see 5 LLAVs all murdertaxi in the same match. Why? Because they cost ISK, and not just a small amount, one loss will put you negative for the match most times. While with the free MLT LAVs they are everywhere, in every map in every game mode. Charge ISK and I feel this trend will die off quick. You can still use your LAV to get around. You just have to realize that if you get it blown up, you lose ISK for doing so. Why would that be a bad thing?
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 244	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:07:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this.

Obodiah Garro Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 54	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:07:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up? because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part?
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 197	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:10:00 - [22] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this. You do not lose a suit and no it's working as intended.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 197	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:11:00 - [23] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up? because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part? Humvees also don't have shielding and energized armor plates.
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1531	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:12:00 - [24] - Quote This isn't CoD with paper vehicles. DUST has high health for infantry AND vehicles. There should be NO OHK for a well fit LLAV. And to be fair there shouldn't be any OHK contact granades vs. infantry either.
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 245	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:18:00 - [25] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up? because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part? As a person that was in Afghanistan for a year doing route clearance, which is looking for IEDs for those that don't know. There are no "crappy IEDs", all of them are serious weapons. Some of them are so good that they are almost military grade explosives brewed in mud huts. And they all don't "waste a squad of troops". What the IED/MINE does is stops you with casualties so they can then mount an attack. Unless it is a really big pack, then it is bad. And almost all of those are pure military grade munitions set up with a charge to explode. Also a HMMWV is a flat bottom vehicle, which allows more of the blast force to spread under the vehicle causing greater damage. We have countered that. It is also why we don't use tanks, or HMMWVs or any other flat bottom vehicle, anymore for such operations. Your comparison is weak because of the points I just posted.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 99	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:21:00 - [26] - Quote Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either . The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage).
Schalac 17 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 245	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:26:00 - [27] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either . The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Why? I feel that my solution is the best way to tackle this problem. Charge ISK for the LAVs once you get out of academy. Murdertaxi rate in games will drop substantially.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:27:00 - [28] - Quote Schalac 17 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE GASPS Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this. ................................................................. you're kidding...................................................
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:30:00 - [29] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: DS 10 wrote: Drop LAV HP. That's all that needs to happen. 1 advanced AV or higher should one hit kill militia LAVs. One Proto AV should take out LLAVs. Keep the one hit bumper bash. If you don't like getting run over, use AV. That way LAVs are still decent but they have a counter that actually works. So why should one PRO AV grenade destroy a Logi LAV that has over 2000 base HP? One of my Limbus fits have 3300 armor. Why should one grenade be able to blow that up? because its a prototype anti vehicle grenade. a crappy IED can blow a Humvee apart and waste a squad of troops, why wouldn't a futuristic purpose weapon take out its counter part? Are you thinking of a claymore mine? Artillery rounds are used for vehicle IEDs. Those are big and very heavy. They're not crappy IEDs.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 154	Posted - 2013.06.06 01:31:00 - [30] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either . The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Explain your denial of physics.



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