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Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:31:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:I know how to fix this problem..... It's called.... ANTI VEHICLE *GASPS* Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned. Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this. ................................................................. you're kidding................................................... When I would play heavy I would do this to replenish armor and it cost me a suit. Granted the last time I did this was in chromo and haven't tried it in uprising because I specced out of heavy. Since uprising I have only used the supply depot to change suits. So no I'm not kidding.
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XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
99
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:31:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Why? I feel that my solution is the best way to tackle this problem. Charge ISK for the LAVs once you get out of academy. Murdertaxi rate in games will drop substantially.
You must be new. Isk means nothing to most players. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
99
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Explain your denial of physics.
Spark u say the same thing about physics all the time. It's funny bc I'm sure u have a middle school understanding of physics. That aside physics mean nothing in a video game. It's about balance and gameplay.
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Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:34:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:
Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this.
................................................................. you're kidding................................................... [/quote]When I would play heavy I would do this to replenish armor and it cost me a suit. Granted the last time I did this was in chromo and haven't tried it in uprising because I specced out of heavy. Since uprising I have only used the supply depot to change suits. So no I'm not kidding.
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I never lost a suit to that. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
197
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:34:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:
Here is the problem. You run out of AV, while free LAVs keep spawning at no cost. Eventually even supply depots stop giving you ammo to kill the swarms of LAVs that are being spawned.
Uh.................................................................................................. Press circle, select the same suit. Problem solved. /your opinion Unless it is a glitch I am pretty sure you lose the suit when you do this. ................................................................. you're kidding................................................... When I would play heavy I would do this to replenish armor and it cost me a suit. Granted the last time I did this was in chromo and haven't tried it in uprising because I specced out of heavy. Since uprising I have only used the supply depot to change suits. So no I'm not kidding.
It has never taken a suit from you. I've been playing since the E3 build. It hasn't changed since. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:36:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Explain your denial of physics. Spark u say the same thing about physics all the time. It's funny bc I'm sure u have a middle school understanding of physics. That aside physics mean nothing in a video game. It's about balance and gameplay.
Hit a slab of meat in a butcher shop with a baseball bat, then hit a basketball with same baseball bat.
It literally denies science to say that you shouldn't die when getting hit by a car. In every other game I've played with vehicles, you could kill people by running them over. Why do you want this to be different? Why should it be different in that one aspect?
Just because in the lore, we developed faster than light travel, doesn't mean that cars magically stop killing people. |
Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:43:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Why? I feel that my solution is the best way to tackle this problem. Charge ISK for the LAVs once you get out of academy. Murdertaxi rate in games will drop substantially. You must be new. Isk means nothing to most players.
Well that is only because we can't keep new players due to how messed up this game is. And if ISK really means nothing, then charge 50k ISK for every MLT LAV. Can be killed with 1-2 AV grenades and we will see how much ISK matters to "most people". I stand by what I say. |
XiBravo
TeamPlayers
EoN.
99
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Posted - 2013.06.06 01:53:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Explain your denial of physics. Spark u say the same thing about physics all the time. It's funny bc I'm sure u have a middle school understanding of physics. That aside physics mean nothing in a video game. It's about balance and gameplay. Hit a slab of meat in a butcher shop with a baseball bat, then hit a basketball with same baseball bat. It literally denies science to say that you shouldn't die when getting hit by a car. In every other game I've played with vehicles, you could kill people by running them over. Why do you want this to be different? Why should it be different in that one aspect? Just because in the lore, we developed faster than light travel, doesn't mean that cars magically stop killing people.
Sooooo what you're saying its you eat paint chips... Right, it all make sense now. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:15:00 -
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XiBravo wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:XiBravo wrote:Their should be no OHK LAV Vs. Dropsuit either .
The Solution Enemy LAV damage is replaced with the current friendly LAV damage (No damage). Explain your denial of physics. Spark u say the same thing about physics all the time. It's funny bc I'm sure u have a middle school understanding of physics. That aside physics mean nothing in a video game. It's about balance and gameplay. Hit a slab of meat in a butcher shop with a baseball bat, then hit a basketball with same baseball bat. It literally denies science to say that you shouldn't die when getting hit by a car. In every other game I've played with vehicles, you could kill people by running them over. Why do you want this to be different? Why should it be different in that one aspect? Just because in the lore, we developed faster than light travel, doesn't mean that cars magically stop killing people. Sooooo what you're saying its you eat paint chips... Right, it all make sense now.
Still no answer. |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries
RISE of LEGION
1531
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:17:00 -
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Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. |
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Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
248
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:38:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you.
This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4218
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:43:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs.
INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong. |
jin foxdale
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
25
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:49:00 -
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I've said it before (funnily enough on a "nerf LAVs" thread), but I like them! Before any flaming begins, I do not do any murdertaxiing, but they are handy to surprise far away objectives at the beginning of a skirmish, and they add a certain complexity to proceedings. I like the randomness of them in amongst the blobs of firefights, tank battles and objective capping and "oh look an LAV chasing another! Now he's coming for me! Have an AV grenade while I side strafe." Theyre just fun, and sure to be nerfed at some point, so why don't we just enjoy them whilst we've got them? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
198
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:50:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong.
QFT |
Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong.
Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty.
Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs.
There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason. |
Numot MTG
DUST University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:05:00 -
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How is it that you numb skulls still have not learned how to deal with LAVs?
MLT LAV is needed because of map size. AV nades, Forge guns, even the free AV starter fit, take out MLT LAV like its nothing. And guss what, the starter AV fit is free, spamable, just like the MLT LAV.
If you are to lazy to actaully throw a nade or fire big guns at a LAV then just call in a MLT HAV and park in a choke point. The Lav will take the turn and by the time they see the HAV it is too late, they hit it everytime. Even a Logi LAV goes boom when it hits or gets hit by a HAV, inculding MLT HAV.
If you can't do that then go back to COD kids. |
Numot MTG
DUST University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:06:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong. Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty. Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from. Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs. There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason.
You notice how none of your post have likes, stfu and go back to your COD kid. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4218
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:07:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from.
You don't have to blow it up. All you have to do is stroll behind one of those spacecrete blocks that line the sidewalks and you can thumb your nose at me all day. If you hear a LAV driving around just get out of the street. Problem solved.
If you are out in the fields just walk up a hill high enough to slow a LAV down enough not to hurt you. This is the post of a person that abuses free LAVs. INVALID ARGUMENT, attack the logic, not the person. Even if you are right about him "abusing" free LAVs, that does not prove his argument is wrong. Where is the logic in being able to use the LAV without an ISK penalty for deploying it? All his post is doing is supporting my claim that it needs an ISK penalty. Skihids wrote:Look, the LAV is the one weapon you can just walk away from. Why should you be able to deploy an asset that causes harm to the enemy, outside of the basic suits? There is no logic in that. That is what I am attacking. Not the logic, but the lack of it, for allowing free LAVs. There is no reason that LAVs shouldn't cost ISK to deploy. Give me one good reason why LAVs should be free. You can't, because murdertaxi isn't a good reason.
You're ignoring my point, the point was attacking someone instead of their argument is invalid logic. You can't prove someone's argument is wrong that way.
Since you asked for logic to defend the presence of free LAVs:
Free LAVs give prospective vehicle users a starting point to test out vehicles to know if they like them or not.
Free LAVs provides much needed free transportation, which is necessary given the size of the maps.
Infantry has 4 free starter fits that cost no ISK to deploy to represent different infantry playstyles. Vehicles and their playstyles are just as part of the game as infantry, so its only fair that at least one kind of vehicle would be free.
There are also much better solutions to dealing with the perceived abuse of LAVs. Increase the momentum needed to roadkill someone, and make LAVs take damage from infantry impact. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
199
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:10:00 -
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Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.
They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV. |
Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:16:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Since you asked for logic to defend the presence of free LAVs:
Free LAVs give prospective vehicle users a starting point to test out vehicles to know if they like them or not. Then where are the free tanks and dropships? If they are truly new, I said that you would get free LAVs in academy, WHERE NEW PLAYERS PLAY. Once you leave academy you lose the free LAV.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Free LAVs provides much needed free transportation, which is necessary given the size of the maps. Why should ease of movement be a free service? You want to get there quicker, buy an LAV and use it.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Infantry has 4 free starter fits that cost no ISK to deploy to represent different infantry playstyles. Vehicles and their playstyles are just as part of the game as infantry, so its only fair that at least one kind of vehicle would be free. I refer you to my first counter to your logic. If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:There are also much better solutions to dealing with the perceived abuse of LAVs. Increase the momentum needed to roadkill someone, and make LAVs take damage from infantry impact. No, actually I think mine is the best way to counter it. If you want to use it buy it, if not then STFU.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4219
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:20:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.
They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV.
I don't think they ever said that.
Racial variants of existing vehicles are coming in the next 5-11 months, new vehicle types are coming after 17 months or more. This is the time frame provided at the Advancing The Core presentation of Fanfest. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI
0
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:26:00 -
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I think vechiles should take damage % based on the Shields and Armor of whatever dropsuit they ran over. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
88
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:33:00 -
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Deleted: Redundant post after someone else said my point. |
Longshot Ravenwood
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
706
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:34:00 -
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The actual solution to the LAV/murdertaxi problem -- Proximity Mines.
They come in packs of 3 & LAVs spontaneously explode when they drive over them.
Make sure you or a squad member is speced into Proximity Mines. Problem solved.
See also Forge Guns, Swarm Launchers, and AV Grenades as well as terrain features, tactics, strategy, positioning, concealment, and cover. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4219
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:35:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Since you asked for logic to defend the presence of free LAVs:
Free LAVs give prospective vehicle users a starting point to test out vehicles to know if they like them or not. Then where are the free tanks and dropships? If they are truly new, I said that you would get free LAVs in academy, WHERE NEW PLAYERS PLAY. Once you leave academy you lose the free LAV.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Free LAVs provides much needed free transportation, which is necessary given the size of the maps. Why should ease of movement be a free service? You want to get there quicker, buy an LAV and use it.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Infantry has 4 free starter fits that cost no ISK to deploy to represent different infantry playstyles. Vehicles and their playstyles are just as part of the game as infantry, so its only fair that at least one kind of vehicle would be free. I refer you to my first counter to your logic. If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:There are also much better solutions to dealing with the perceived abuse of LAVs. Increase the momentum needed to roadkill someone, and make LAVs take damage from infantry impact. No, actually I think mine is the best way to counter it. If you want to use it buy it, if not then STFU.
Why no free tanks and dropship starter fits? same reason why no free specialized suits (assaults, logis, sentinels, scouts), or other basic frames in the infantry starter fits. Medium basic frame dropsuit starter fits are only a starting point, just like LAVs are just a starting point.
"If you want to use vehicles outside of academy, then buy them" That isn't really logical reasoning, its just your opinion of how things should be. It doesn't explain why things should be that way, or why LAVs shouldn't be free.
That BS can just as easily apply to infantry starter fits also, "If you want to use dropsuits and infantry gear outside of academy, then buy them". If starter LAVs shouldn't be free after the academy, neither should infantry fits.
I'm done arguing with you now, I'm starting to think you're trolling; seriously, you're the one who's complaining to change the game, yet anyone anyone who doesn't agree with you should STFU? lol. You must be trolling. |
Abner Kalen
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2013.06.06 04:51:00 -
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The only way to fix this issue is to make damage depend upon the speed of the vehicle and the current armor of the dropsuit. Shields in this manner can't protect a scout from an LAV going 60mph, but a heavy might put a dent in the LAV. Definitely give LAV impact damage as well, depending on the armor and mass of the suit they hit.
Right now it just doesn't seem realistic, all they need to do is point their LAV and get going 1 mile per hour and BOOM you're dead. To me it's lazy physics, and I think that's why it makes people so mad. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
199
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Once there are speeder bikes (or w/e CCP calls them) I guarantee there will be no free LAVs.
They said they're coming either next build or the one after that. Until then learn to use AV. I don't think they ever said that. Racial variants of existing vehicles are coming in the next 5-11 months, new vehicle types are coming after 17 months or more. This is the time frame provided at the Advancing The Core presentation of Fanfest.
They talked about it during fanfest. The bottom right 2 are the speeders.
http://i.imgur.com/4xNAmjj.png |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
363
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:09:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:The fact that CCP needs to be told is enough to make you realize this game is doomed.
Thanks, we need more fortune tellers. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
363
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:10:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Charge ISK for LAVs. Once you get out of academy, all vehicles should cost ISK. They charge for MLT tanks so why are MLT LAVs still free in the game? Get'em outta here. Free suits and whatever BPOs you have is all that should be ISK free. It is silly that a vehicle would just be given to someone with no repercussions in the EVE universe.
And if someone brings up noobships, well that is a different game where you need a ship. In Dust drop suits are the IBIS, Impairor, Velator and Reaper. Sniper, Medic, Assault and AV. No need for a free LAV.
Add webs. |
Tharak Meuridiar
The Empyrean Agency
10
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:14:00 -
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I have a different solution:
Swarm Launchers
Seriously, free LAV's are kind of like free kills if you have a SL and know how to use it. 2 kills if anyone hops on that nearly useless turret. |
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