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Deadeye Dic
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:56:00 -
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Templars everywhere are suiciding, either by biomass, MCC suicide jumps, or suiciding before players can get the kill on them. Several threads complaining about the Templar event, both by Templars and Hunters. It's the Dust equivalent to the EvE Jita event, or so it seems.
I can appreciate the purpose of the event, but both sides of this argument have cause for concern. Templars with BPO gear that can't compete in proto matches, entire teams of players out to stomp one or two Templars in a match. Public matches aren't even a fair match, even if the team with Templars win the match, why? Because 16 players are hunting Templars for 2.5 million ISK. Templars are easy kills.
I'm not saying that those who signed up didn't know what was coming, as far as the match types were concerned, it was clearly defined and laid out, however CCP failed to properly think this event out.
This event should have been Hunters against Templars 200 vs 200 in private matches, with perhaps the side getting the most kills winning the spoils of war. CCP clearly failed to view this event with any seriousness and it is nothing more than a promotional event, as seen in the PS scroll at the top of our Home Screens. Additionally, this event is also just for some backstory that players get to participate in, like the other events. Only, will the results of the event be the backstory or was it determined when Templars were gimped from the start against proto players?
Sure some great players might do ok against proto players, but when you start off a new character with having to farm ISK just to train, then I'm afraid the honest truth is that Templars were setup by the masters. Hunters have a valid argument as well when Templars are suiciding or not logging in because they feel gimped. Hunters can't get their part of the event or their 2.5 million ISK.
I propose that this event be reconsidered, both with new players and a new system where Hunters and Templars are in a Private event with the same starting attributes and rules put into place or systems put into place that prevent MCC afking, suicides, and disabling Biomass. Additionally, I would recommend that should any Hunter or Templar quit a match more than 5 times over the event or fail to login to the character for more than 24 hours after the start of the event, then that player be disqualified and the DQ count as a death for that team and a win for the other.
All that being said Templars, including myself, should feel ashamed for our behavior. Hunters should also be ashamed. Anyone of us have complained about proto-stomps, gear issues, and everything else under the sun, but in this particular case, the poor planning and layout of this event was not clearly thought out by CCP. This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis, this is an issue of a community event, hosted and setup by CCP that clearly doesn't meet the expectations of the community of player who have vested an interests in this event. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
362
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:01:00 -
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Biomass LOL. Stay classy Dust. |
Baldr Grimm
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
33
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:05:00 -
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The lack of any ISK seems like a major oversight. |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:05:00 -
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inb4protostomp |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:06:00 -
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Baldr Grimm wrote:The lack of any ISK seems like a major oversight.
It only took me one match to get militia mods for my non bpo slots |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:09:00 -
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Quote:This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis
I disagree.
The TACS still take out my 1200 HP Sentinel before I can say "kitten me" |
Templar Renegade127
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:11:00 -
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My k/d is slightly positive and i have great fun doing silly manuevers because, other than doing my best, i don't care. We are walking and shooting easter eggs, designed to be picked up at random by all grades of players. If someone doesn't like to be hunted by protos...well, he shouldn't have applied.
Everyone who cared to read the announcement knew what awaits him. It's simply too late for throwing a hissy fit. |
Templar Renegade225
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:14:00 -
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I was thinking that CCP should have given us a higher SP multiplier. So at the beginning we suck and the lower level players can get their kills in and highers ones too, but by the end of the event we would be able to play against protos. At the very least they should have given us the bonus SP and a bit of isk to start off with would have been nice but im ok without it. I played for several hours this morning and alot of people definitely got their kills in. Ill finish out the event as planned, even beyound the 20 matches and 20k wp. I want people to get their 2.5 million isk but i wont make it easy :). |
Declan Dayne
The Unsullied.
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:16:00 -
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If you haven't been playing this game for months you get protostomped anyways. So who cares if they are whining about having militia gear. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
718
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:19:00 -
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This is CCP's way of showing a portion of their players how the newbies feel when they leave the academy. |
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Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:19:00 -
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After the 20,000 WP I still plan on being a walking target for peeps.
I am going from a Min speed scout into a sentinel fat suite..
So different. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
705
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:21:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:This is CCP's way of showing a portion of their players how the newbies feel when they leave the academy.
But I dont think even CCP knows how the newbies feel when they leave the Academy. |
Templar Renegade245
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:21:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:
Sure some great players might do ok against proto players,
Aww that's aweful nice of you to say but I wouldn't call myself "great".
Also, holy crap this community is self entitled! are you all just raised spoiled by your parents and can't make your own fun with what you're given or am I the only adult among a bunch of 14 yearolds?
Bit of light hearted "event" fun. Treat it like that and move on. Do you complain at carnival rides on your soap box that the Ferris wheel didn't have the best possible view and you demand the ride operators fix this IMMEDIATELY? |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1521
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:23:00 -
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gee, who would have ever expected a Dust 514 event to be halfassed? It's such a surprise. |
Cass Barr
Red Star. EoN.
119
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:26:00 -
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Templar Renegade127 wrote: It's simply too late for throwing a hissy fit.
You must be new here!
Let me be the first to welcome you to the Dust forums, where it's always the right time to throw a hissy fit. |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:26:00 -
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Templar Renegade245 wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:
Sure some great players might do ok against proto players,
Aww that's aweful nice of you to say but I wouldn't call myself "great". Also, holy crap this community is self entitled! are you all just raised spoiled by your parents and can't make your own fun with what you're given or am I the only adult among a bunch of 14 yearolds? Bit of light hearted "event" fun. Treat it like that and move on. Do you complain at carnival rides on your soap box that the Ferris wheel didn't have the best possible view and you demand the ride operators fix this IMMEDIATELY?
Someone else can see the light too!
+1 |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
39
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:38:00 -
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We finally have proof that the first batch of clones was deeply flawed after all. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
185
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:40:00 -
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meh
I have not even seen a Templar today.
I really do not care if i ever see one...let alone if they suicide every match. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
185
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:43:00 -
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Templar Renegade217 wrote:Quote:This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis I disagree. The TACS still take out my 1200 HP Sentinel before I can say "kitten me"
So your complaint is that your "carry me" 10 million SP/gear build is less OP then you want it do be....
Cry a river scrub. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
83
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:44:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:We finally have proof that the first batch of clones was deeply flawed after all.
they must have quit the game and waited for CCP to fix things... |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1668
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:45:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:This is CCP's way of showing a portion of their players how the newbies feel when they leave the academy. lol at people complaining cause they finally know what it's liked to get protostomped. |
Cosgar's Alt
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:46:00 -
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I haven't event participated because my weapon was ninja nerfed along with being bugged and I'm still waiting on my respec. I've found replaying Borderlands 1 more fun because it ****ing works. And guess what? It's the same engine as Dust 514. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
83
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:50:00 -
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Cosgar's Alt wrote:I haven't event participated because my weapon was ninja nerfed along with being bugged and I'm still waiting on my respec. I've found replaying Borderlands 1 more fun because it ****ing works. And guess what? It's the same engine as Dust 514.
dark souls here, but yes... afk farmed my weekly skill cap and im out like a fat kid in dodgeball, trolling the forums or something more fun than getting stomped because i screwed up with my SP allocation at the start of this new build... |
Templar Renegade219
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 02:36:00 -
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I'm an idiot specing into scrambler rifles. can't even fit the proto on the suits they gave me. Going to try out dual advanced scrambler pistol for the lols. |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:00:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Templar Renegade217 wrote:Quote:This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis I disagree. The TACS still take out my 1200 HP Sentinel before I can say "kitten me" So your complaint is that your "carry me" 10 million SP/gear build is less OP then you want it do be.... Cry a river scrub.
LoL
I was being playful about it not crying.
I have actually enjoyed the event so far.
Sounds like someone has a sore bum..
Let me guess you are one of those SKILLED L33T TAC users.
Sorry I made ya cry sweety.
/hug
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
185
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:04:00 -
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Quote:Let me guess you are one of those SKILLED L33T TAC users.
You guessed wrong. |
Akurabis
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:06:00 -
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2.5 million isk isn't even enough to make me think about them. \what kind of a reward is that? and ya - why couldn't we all have the option to sign in to a 3 day character to try out some cool sets of gear in contained academy style matches? |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:11:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:Let me guess you are one of those SKILLED L33T TAC users. You guessed wrong.
You're a nub TAC user?
So why does your bum hurt?
Maybe because you didn't get picked?
I edited my previous post to collect more tears from ya, thanks for reading! |
True Adamance
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:12:00 -
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I'm just disappointed now that CCP didn't forseer the douchebaggery only a select few people can bring... so other people who are fans of the Amarr or who wanted to get in on this event got shut out.
Would have been much better to host multiple 300 Templar events for each region. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:19:00 -
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Baldr Grimm wrote:The lack of any ISK seems like a major oversight.
if i recall, templars only get basic standard gear, and weapons. and only 500,000 sp. 0isk. that makes no sense.
i mean you'd think that the original clones that went renegade to earn cash, would have tons of cash, weapons, and SP as they were the first.
they should have chosen more templars, and made them harder to kill. given them proto gear, and proto weapons (expect proto ARs)
basically they should have had access to all proto weapons (except proto ARs because we have just seen enough of them). there should have been at least 1,000 chosen. there are 1000s of players on dust you need a decent number.
the final point is that yes they would be OP, but that is the point to the 2.5 million isk reward, and have entire teams come after you. finally, they dnt keep the accounts, and the event is only a few days.
(again I know this sounds really OP a dude with blue print proto armor, dropsuits, mods, weapons [except the ARs], and 10 million spare SP to be speced into whatever they want [except ARs] IS OP. but when your the only templar on a team, and the entire enemy team is coming after just you, and they are all running proto gear [which has happened], you need to be able to fight back.
plus it tells that story well, because they were the original clones you'd think they'd be very skilled therefore havng tons of sp) |
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D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I'm just disappointed now that CCP didn't forseer the douchebaggery only a select few people can bring... so other people who are fans of the Amarr or who wanted to get in on this event got shut out.
Would have been much better to host multiple 300 Templar events for each region.
that would be cool. |
Templar Renegade118
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:20:00 -
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I pissed off a couple of guys today... After a couple of attempts they dropped an orbital on me lol. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:24:00 -
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Akurabis wrote:2.5 million isk isn't even enough to make me think about them. \what kind of a reward is that? and ya - why couldn't we all have the option to sign in to a 3 day character to try out some cool sets of gear in contained academy style matches?
naw you guys selected are already good - decent players. they should have just given you the proto amar gear, with all proto equipment, blueprint, with 10 mil SP to spec where ever you want (expect ARs because those are already everywhere and would make templars impossible to kill)
the templars also, should have got a default resistance to damage by 33% and base shields/armor. i.e. t. scout = 300sh/300ar t. assault = 400sh/400ar t. heavy = 700sh/700ar
yes. this sounds OP, but thats the challenge, everyone is on your team are going after them, and its supposed to last only 3 days. i mean i wasnt a templar but the descritption is pretty pathetic, if i had to take on an entire team by myself and i was the target of everyone, i need the additional power to stand a chance.
(and trust me an enemy team of proto tacs, and glus, firing into anything can destroy it. this isnt OP. its fair to the templars.) |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1520
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:26:00 -
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Is there any way to know if you killed any? All suits look the same on my bumper. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:29:00 -
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Templar Renegade217 wrote:hooc order wrote:Templar Renegade217 wrote:Quote:This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis I disagree. The TACS still take out my 1200 HP Sentinel before I can say "kitten me" So your complaint is that your "carry me" 10 million SP/gear build is less OP then you want it do be.... Cry a river scrub. LoL I was being playful about it not crying. I have actually enjoyed the event so far. Sounds like someone has a sore bum.. Let me guess you are one of those SKILLED L33T TAC users. Sorry I made ya cry sweety. /hug I don't even understand what you wrote. My main has nowhere near 10 million SP and my Sentinel Templar has 1200 hp from shield and the sp i spent on armor plates and core skills. The Templar toons got 2 million sp to play with not 10 million. If they would have gave more people would complained they were OP. If they gave less people would complained they were to weak and the event was a fail. It appears the majority of the populace here are children. Shouldn't you check and make sure your mommy washed some clean clothes for ya tomorrow? LoL @ CHU
there should have been more of you guys, and they should have given you more SP, and more stuff. templars should have had at least 10 mil SP. its a short event, that tells a story and its a manhunt. everyone just ganged up on the templars, and alot of templars were complaining. they were even committing suicide! and in public areas no less! the audacity! |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:30:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Akurabis wrote:2.5 million isk isn't even enough to make me think about them. \what kind of a reward is that? and ya - why couldn't we all have the option to sign in to a 3 day character to try out some cool sets of gear in contained academy style matches? naw you guys selected are already good - decent players. they should have just given you the proto amar gear, with all proto equipment, blueprint, with 10 mil SP to spec where ever you want (expect ARs because those are already everywhere and would make templars impossible to kill) the templars also, should have got a default resistance to damage by 33% and base shields/armor. i.e. t. scout = 300sh/300ar t. assault = 400sh/400ar t. heavy = 700sh/700ar yes. this sounds OP, but thats the challenge, everyone is on your team are going after them, and its supposed to last only 3 days. i mean i wasnt a templar but the descritption is pretty pathetic, if i had to take on an entire team by myself and i was the target of everyone, i need the additional power to stand a chance. (and trust me an enemy team of proto tacs, and glus, firing into anything can destroy it. this isnt OP. its fair to the templars.)
No way would this work, the babies on the forums would QQ even more.
Even though these same children are currently crying saying the templars should have been buffed more.
I know it doesnt make sense.
Babies are good at one thing.
QQ |
Templar Renegade217
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:34:00 -
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Quote:they were even committing suicide! and in public areas no less! the audacity!
They will be punished once their consciousness get uploaded after the event.
EVERYONE noes suicide in public areas has consequences.. |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:35:00 -
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Templar Renegade217 wrote:Quote:they were even committing suicide! and in public areas no less! the audacity! They will be punished once their consciousness get uploaded after the event. EVERYONE noes suicide in public areas has consequences..
^^ |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
84
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:36:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Templar Renegade217 wrote:hooc order wrote:Templar Renegade217 wrote:Quote:This is not an issue of Tac ARs or Caldari Logis I disagree. The TACS still take out my 1200 HP Sentinel before I can say "kitten me" So your complaint is that your "carry me" 10 million SP/gear build is less OP then you want it do be.... Cry a river scrub. LoL I was being playful about it not crying. I have actually enjoyed the event so far. Sounds like someone has a sore bum.. Let me guess you are one of those SKILLED L33T TAC users. Sorry I made ya cry sweety. /hug I don't even understand what you wrote. My main has nowhere near 10 million SP and my Sentinel Templar has 1200 hp from shield and the sp i spent on armor plates and core skills. The Templar toons got 2 million sp to play with not 10 million. If they would have gave more people would complained they were OP. If they gave less people would complained they were to weak and the event was a fail. It appears the majority of the populace here are children. Shouldn't you check and make sure your mommy washed some clean clothes for ya tomorrow? LoL @ CHU there should have been more of you guys, and they should have given you more SP, and more stuff. templars should have had at least 10 mil SP. its a short event, that tells a story and its a manhunt. everyone just ganged up on the templars, and alot of templars were complaining. they were even committing suicide! and in public areas no less! the audacity!
idk if i would have thrown 10m SP at them, to get a full loadout on a proto suit, at least my logistics suits, i only need 8m. but thats only 1 proto mod, 1 proto equip, and some adv mods to fill out the rest of my slots without over extending PG/CPU. but at the same time, enough skills to do a full proto loadout so they wouldnt just be completely gimped would have been the nice thing to do. but that is assuming the challenge was meant to be in getting the kills rather than simply finding a templar to gank. though from the RP perspective, first gen clones should have SP to reflect practical combat experience beyond the average player... should have been strong enough to hold their own against the Empire and the hunters they are being pursued by... BUT CCP didnt want to 'give' people OP characters for an event... that are to be deleted at the end of the event... |
Templar Renegade67
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:38:00 -
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Templars started with Zero ISK. Not the 500k you mentioned.
After about 5-10 games I was able to buy All the Skill Books I needed to use my 2 million SP.
What this Templar event really showed me is that even at 2 million Total SP, a player can still be competitive and ISK gains per match vs my ISK death cost are growing for me. Meaning I Profit ISK wise after each match.
I used to think it would take around 4-5 million Total SP after the May 14 launch because of all the new pre-reqs but that is not the case anymore.
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
85
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:45:00 -
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Templar Renegade67 wrote:Templars started with Zero ISK. Not the 500k you mentioned.
After about 5-10 games I was able to buy All the Skill Books I needed to use my 2 million SP.
What this Templar event really showed me is that even at 2 million Total SP, a player can still be competitive and ISK gains per match vs my ISK death cost are growing for me. Meaning I Profit ISK wise after each match.
I used to think it would take around 4-5 million Total SP after the May 14 launch because of all the new pre-reqs but that is not the case anymore.
there still is a considerable gap though between the beta players with 6m+ sp and proper SP builds and new players or even 2m SP players...
with 2m SP you could get a full ADV loadout on an adv basic frame or a basic advanced suit, but that still leaves the sizable gap between you and proto-bears... if the SP req to get a single proto mod werent 900k and some change each, maybe 2m sp wouldnt be such a big deal... but when gear is such a huge advantage, 2m SP just leaves you underwhelming... |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:45:00 -
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Quote:
No way would this work, the babies on the forums would QQ even more.
Even though these same children are currently crying saying the templars should have been buffed more.
I know it doesnt make sense.
Babies are good at one thing.
QQ
i agree 100% with you.
and thats where Im lost. the templars are the original clones, they were defective because they went renegade, not because they sucked. i am not a templar i wasnt chosen, but even i see they need a power boost. the whole point of the event was to have super powered enemies run around the place as teams and squads and corps tried to hunt them down.
i mean really, with all these dudes running all kinds of tacs, and charge snipers there is no way this is OP. in fact this dnt even tell the story right, because they are supposed to be super skilled (both in combat and in SP) and be rich.
2 million SP is a joke just getting to lvl 3 drop suits burns 25% of that. the multiplier for skills and even the skill cap is the same too. its not the challenge i expected. the templars are good players but what can you do verse a team of protos out just for you? they need the advantage to "BALANCE" the event.
all these punks scream like they just came out the womb about how templars arent playing the game, but at the same time they dnt want them to get buffed so they can play? who wants to play 20,000wp worth of matches dying over and over and over and over and over again?
these templars are supposed to be like minibosses. not so over powered that 1v1 the non-templar can never win, but not so horribly under powered that 1 guy in proto gear can wipeout 6 templars.
the maps arent even that big, if templars were to be a literal manhunt they couldnt even hide on these maps. so, if these new borns want a kill on a templar, well your just gonna have to blow up the MCC
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D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:46:00 -
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Templar Renegade67 wrote:Templars started with Zero ISK. Not the 500k you mentioned.
After about 5-10 games I was able to buy All the Skill Books I needed to use my 2 million SP.
What this Templar event really showed me is that even at 2 million Total SP, a player can still be competitive and ISK gains per match vs my ISK death cost are growing for me. Meaning I Profit ISK wise after each match.
I used to think it would take around 4-5 million Total SP after the May 14 launch because of all the new pre-reqs but that is not the case anymore.
if your a heavy you need at least 4million sp to play competatively |
D legendary hero
One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed.
57
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:52:00 -
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Quote:
idk if i would have thrown 10m SP at them, to get a full loadout on a proto suit, at least my logistics suits, i only need 8m. but thats only 1 proto mod, 1 proto equip, and some adv mods to fill out the rest of my slots without over extending PG/CPU. but at the same time, enough skills to do a full proto loadout so they wouldnt just be completely gimped would have been the nice thing to do. but that is assuming the challenge was meant to be in getting the kills rather than simply finding a templar to gank. though from the RP perspective, first gen clones should have SP to reflect practical combat experience beyond the average player... should have been strong enough to hold their own against the Empire and the hunters they are being pursued by... BUT CCP didnt want to 'give' people OP characters for an event... that are to be deleted at the end of the event...
^^this.
its not too late they should keep the same templars and give them the 10mil SP (to make them slightly better), the additional resistance and shielding, and basically make them OP because they are deleted at the end of the event and it is a manhunt. everyone is after them in addition i agree 100% "from the RP perspective, first gen clones should have SP to reflect practical combat experience beyond the average player... should have been strong enough to hold their own against the Empire and the hunters they are being pursued by... (so) CCP (should) 'give' people OP characters for an event... that are to be deleted at the end of the event.." i know i change 2 words, but the point is the same
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
85
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Posted - 2013.06.02 04:55:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Templar Renegade67 wrote:Templars started with Zero ISK. Not the 500k you mentioned.
After about 5-10 games I was able to buy All the Skill Books I needed to use my 2 million SP.
What this Templar event really showed me is that even at 2 million Total SP, a player can still be competitive and ISK gains per match vs my ISK death cost are growing for me. Meaning I Profit ISK wise after each match.
I used to think it would take around 4-5 million Total SP after the May 14 launch because of all the new pre-reqs but that is not the case anymore. if your a heavy you need at least 4million sp to play competatively
ive never looked at heavy build, but im going to take a wager that you prettymuch suck until that 4m SP your quoting too dont they?
lets see, lvl3 heavy frame, lvl5 weaponry, what other major drawbacks are there for specing straight into heavies that im missing? and many of my heavy-bros refuse to run sentinel suits due to the drastically altered slot loadouts they get from the heavy frames, specially when we needed lvl5 frame to get to the adv tier of suits before they fixed that...
but ive never run heavy this build, i foolishly fell for the Amarr Logi trap day 1... and have been stuck in the land of underwhelming awaiting a respec.... |
Frivelocity
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:43:00 -
[46] - Quote
This is my alt. It has less than 1 million SP. It currently has 1.97 k/d Prior to uprising it had ~5.0 k/d, and so was never part of the Academy. The drop is because I refuse to use ARs under any circumstances.
People die often because they play poorly - not because they are facing people in proto gear. |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
87
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Posted - 2013.06.02 05:58:00 -
[47] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:Quote:
idk if i would have thrown 10m SP at them, to get a full loadout on a proto suit, at least my logistics suits, i only need 8m. but thats only 1 proto mod, 1 proto equip, and some adv mods to fill out the rest of my slots without over extending PG/CPU. but at the same time, enough skills to do a full proto loadout so they wouldnt just be completely gimped would have been the nice thing to do. but that is assuming the challenge was meant to be in getting the kills rather than simply finding a templar to gank. though from the RP perspective, first gen clones should have SP to reflect practical combat experience beyond the average player... should have been strong enough to hold their own against the Empire and the hunters they are being pursued by... BUT CCP didnt want to 'give' people OP characters for an event... that are to be deleted at the end of the event...
^^this. its not too late they should keep the same templars and give them the 10mil SP (to make them slightly better), the additional resistance and shielding, and basically make them OP because they are deleted at the end of the event and it is a manhunt. everyone is after them in addition i agree 100% "from the RP perspective, first gen clones should have SP to reflect practical combat experience beyond the average player... should have been strong enough to hold their own against the Empire and the hunters they are being pursued by... (so) CCP (should) 'give' people OP characters for an event... that are to be deleted at the end of the event.." i know i change 2 words, but the point is the same
but you changed 4 words lol.
and its kinda too late to fix the templar manslaughter... changing it now would be excessive work on CCPs end, as well as simply make the s**tstorm of hate and discontent worse...
they should let this event finish running its course, and use the feedback provided towards the next event.
as for frivelocity, its one thing to be a random pub-match blueberry with 2m SP, and a completely different animal to be a primary target event member with 2m SP... i get tired enough gettin protostomped as a blueberry with +25% shield and armor on my militia suits, i wasnt about to put forth an effort to sign up to be a templar. |
Thanos Warpfiend
HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
Where the kitten does it say that this was supposed to be a fair fight?
Templars are being paid with 900 proto suits to participate. Play, die or not, you get paid. Stop whining |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
90
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
Thanos Warpfiend wrote:Where the kitten does it say that this was supposed to be a fair fight?
Templars are being paid with 900 proto suits to participate. Play, die or not, you get paid. Stop whining
templar suits were going to be standard versions of the 3x advanced suits i thought, being 300x amarr standard assault, 300x amarr standard logistics, and 300x amarr standard sentinel... unless they changed it in the last 2 days, or they changed what the 10 year anniversary pack coming in october had for templar suits...
can you get a source where they said they were going to be proto suits? |
DAMIOS82
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
The way i see it is if we where all advanced/proto, newbies wouldn't stand a chance of participating in the event. Besides it only took me a day to get some decent gear. Sure i die more then i kill, 100 deaths versus 80 kills, but that's ok. The hole point of the event is to allow everybody a chance, yet still give them some challenge, afterall i don't go down without a fight. Other then against fully rigged proto's i've been doing fine so far and for them i have three solutions snipers,hmg and LAV's, its so much fun to see them run. Not to mention for the isk and wp, CCP is in a way forcing you to participate in the match, thus spreading the chance for other's to see and kill you.
I have no problem with the way it is, that beeing said offcource i would have liked some isk to start of with, but 2-3 matches solved that problem very quick. |
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Thanos Warpfiend
HongKong n Shanghai Merc Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.06.02 06:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *EDIT2* confirmed, a/1 is the advanced frame, at 8,040 ISK/medium, 13,155 ISK /sentinel, thats 8,770,500 ISK worth of suits theyre getting, IF they can use them even... chances are they will go the way of the human endurance trials rewards being sold back for more ISK
Don't volunteer if you can't use them. I can't, hence I did not volunteer. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
348
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:02:00 -
[52] - Quote
This event proves we need bounties. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1679
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *EDIT3* makes me wonder, will the 10 year anniversary BPOs be the ADV versions? or simply standard with the same skin? would be a little annoying if they are ADV BPOs though
STD. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1679
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Posted - 2013.06.02 07:32:00 -
[54] - Quote
Akurabis wrote:2.5 million isk isn't even enough to make me think about them. \what kind of a reward is that? and ya - why couldn't we all have the option to sign in to a 3 day character to try out some cool sets of gear in contained academy style matches? Maybe you're not supposed too? It's just a little something extra, not something you should obsess over. If you expect huge rewards from events then you will be sorely disappointed every single time.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.06.02 08:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
There's an event going on? i dont even feel like im part of it, it's just another day of dust unless you count of the massive player drops in the pass two days because of sever disconnects(way to plan an event guys).
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SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
90
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:24:00 -
[56] - Quote
Sloth9230 wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote: *EDIT3* makes me wonder, will the 10 year anniversary BPOs be the ADV versions? or simply standard with the same skin? would be a little annoying if they are ADV BPOs though
STD.
thats what i thought, but i also thought the event rewards were standard suit limited run sets of the same bpos coming with the anniversary pack... but ive been known to be wrong before, so thanks |
Templar Renegade206
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:46:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm loving this but what was funny was when i got an invite to a templar event channel. It was planetary response with contrabanjoe wanting to get free kill's off of us for they can build money for their corp....there was 11 of us templar's and we laugh and backout figured someone who try a stunt like that only PRO and they call themselves adult's when they try to pull of stuff kid's do.....If ya'll want to kill this templar bring it and I dont hold my punches so this is going to be fun. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
They shouldve made me Templar, I dont need proto/adv to do well in a match.
I said it before and I'll say it again, most proto users are spoiled by their own gear and dont have the skill to back it up. Put them back in militia/standard and its like taking away everything that carried them this far. |
ShakeMS
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP is a joke. They only see what is in front of them. Never do they stop and think outside the box. |
Tufty Macdoodle
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
I can't belive what i just read, to those people that got picked, and didnt use the Templer Char, or killed them selve's because they cant play the game without a TAC & Protosuite, YOUR W****RS. Had i been picked i would of used the Templer char, even it it meant i died all the time. It would been fun being hunted by 16 players |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Immortal Volunteers
647
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
I just don't think ccp know whst to do with dust anymore the reaction to Templar event has been very bad. And I know a lot of the Sony communty members were very unimpressed. I mean who's bright idea was it to PROMOTE the game with gimped character that deven experienced players where struggleing with. I'm tossing up deleting dust today but I don't want to throw away my character on the off chance Ccp changes dust leadership and some good choices start getting made |
Ignatius Crumwald
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
523
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
I really think they should be a year ahead of us in SP and be packing BPO's of some serious officer rare gear - other wise what's the fun in killing them or being one?
What a thankless job. An honor to be chosen? At random?!?
Wang used the word "We" in referring to those who didn't want the Templar to be OP. Who is this "We"? The fun police? |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
805
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Posted - 2013.06.02 10:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
This is what we're hunting according to the japanese forums; sñ¬pü+péë |
SuperKing BigNuts
Contract Hunters
90
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:09:00 -
[64] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:I just don't think ccp know whst to do with dust anymore the reaction to Templar event has been very bad. And I know a lot of the Sony communty members were very unimpressed. I mean who's bright idea was it to PROMOTE the game with gimped character that deven experienced players where struggleing with. I'm tossing up deleting dust today but I don't want to throw away my character on the off chance Ccp changes dust leadership and some good choices start getting made
the characters are saved on CCPs servers, not your PS3, so deleting the game only means you have to download it at a later date.
i was calling that the 100 sony community players wouldnt have a good time as soon as i saw that they made the promo deal with sony(originally it was slated for all 300 templars to be DUST players), an experienced DUST player could make use of 2m SP only due to familiarity with the game mechanics... a new-bro whos never had any experience with DUST probably made a lot of the same rookie mistakes with their 2m SP that the beta players did when we respeced in uprising... not to mention being severely unerwhelming compared to any players who got in on the open beta, especially triple sp week.... lets bring in new players, and give them a taste of what it feels like to get thrown to the wolves... no academy battles to get a BIT of familiarity, no comparable gear to compete with the experienced players(even if given proto gear, an experienced standard suit would probably be able to take them still), oh and by the way, lets try to make them victims of everyone elses aggression when they see em.
were they given any sort of briefing on how to play? were they given any sort of 'hey before you jump into battle...'? were they given any support beyond the 2m sp vs 500k new character? someone said 1-100 were the sony community players, and some of them seemed like they were giving it an honest effort here on the forums, but i dont know for certain which templars were dusties and which werent, if there was even a sensical division or if they were all just alphabetical by PSN ID |
Templar Renegade96
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:19:00 -
[65] - Quote
It was tough but we squaded with Templar's .I have now have 3.000.000 isk and 20.000 warpoints.We were on a mission. Suit up skill into what gets you warpoints and play the game as a team.Shout outs go toTemplars 216 39 shawn mvp 146 E 205. 19 221 and luka |
Templar Renegade201
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
I knew what I was getting into so no big deal but it would have been nice to have had more sp. if it had been more like:
Day 1 - start with 5 mil SP and required to play 15 games in a STD suit with militia BPOs earn 25000 SP you then qualify for Day 2 - gain an additional 5 mil SP and required to play 15 games in a ADV suit with ADV BPOs earn 25000 SP you then qualify for Day 3 - gain an additional 10 mil SP and required to play 15 games in a Proto suit with Officer BPOs earn 25000 SP
Rewards for killing Templars
Day 1 - kill 3 and get 2.5 mil Isk Day 2 - kill 5 and get 5 mil Isk Day 3 - kill 10 and get 10 mil Isk
Kill 50 Templars over the event and get anniversary Manhunter ADV suit (10 copies)
For the Templars play 45 games and get anniversary Templar 1, limited edition version, suit (10 copies)
Also monitor the Templars to make sure they are not abusing the position.
I think this set up would have made it more interesting for everyone involved and given new players a chance on day 1 and 2 and everybody a real challenge on Day 3. |
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