New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.

Or we can give them a "permanent" till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million.

It's called a rollover cap, CCP needs to implement the rollover system we voted on months ago...

They put that in the game and new players can grind to their hearts content to make up the SP.

Until this is in the game new players will shy away from staying unless they are gluttons for punishment.

Agreed, up til about 2 mil you can't field an actually useful fit.

That is not true. You can get into and Adv suit and an adv weapon for less than 700k skill points. Don't most players start with 500k? Advanced armor/weapons with militia modules in the right hands can easily go toe to toe with weak Proto fit.

What i always thought of was that as the game grows, they could change the initial amount of SP and maybe also ISK given to a new player.

So today a new player starts with 500k SP and 250k ISK to spend. And maybe sometime in the future they change that to 1 million SP and 500k ISK.

What i always thought of was that as the game grows, they could change the initial amount of SP and maybe also ISK given to a new player.

So today a new player starts with 500k SP and 250k ISK to spend. And maybe sometime in the future they change that to 1 million SP and 500k ISK.

Agreed, up til about 2 mil you can't field an actually useful fit.

i disagree, they should just start with 2 million SP.

Prices went up a lot with the new tree, starting SP should as well.

I like the idea of no SP cap up to 2 million SP. Allow new users, who are likely excited to play a new game, go to town and have a slight ability to catch up.

A rollover system is nice, but that helps vets more than new players...

Quite the opposite, it allows new players to catch up to vets if they put the extra time in.

They should just remove the cap altogether. What purpose does it actually serve? A few months down the line no matter how much you grind you are always going to be behind the 8ball against those that have been in game since open beta with the cap in place. So get rid of it. People are still going to buy boosters because more is more, and cap or no cap someone is still going to grind more than you do.

They should just remove the cap altogether. What purpose does it actually serve? A few months down the line no matter how much you grind you are always going to be behind the 8ball against those that have been in game since open beta with the cap in place. So get rid of it. People are still going to buy boosters because more is more, and cap or no cap someone is still going to grind more than you do.

It's called a rollover cap, CCP needs to implement the rollover system we voted on months ago...

They put that in the game and new players can grind to their hearts content to make up the SP.

Until this is in the game new players will shy away from staying unless they are gluttons for punishment.

I suppose its so some people can't just blow by everyone and become some sort of ubergod.

I think the grind will help players learn the ropes and prevent newer players from just tossing their points into random skills.

Also, it helps to prevent abuse of system.

Rollover cap doesn't solve anything for new players. I can pretty much guarantee that new players (if they like the game) will burn through the cap way before the reset and so will have nothing to rollover.

The idea of rollover SP we purpose is that it start counting since the START of the game for all character.

For example, If a veteran who play this game since day 1 (starting of open beta back in January) and hit a cap every week have 15mil SP. A new character created today will have 15mil cap to burn through. It may take him months, it may take him days to burn through all this cap. This way, new player have a chance to catch up with veteran.

Technically, I don't see a problem with it. We already have some sort SP cap in place. They just need to change from "if SP earned this week > 190k then you hit the cap" to "if total SP > 15mil(and increasing every week) then you hit the cap". I realize that it's more complicated than this but it's very doable.

Marketingly, very interesting, I never think of that. So If they need to rework active SP booster then so be it. Make it give bonus to set amount of SP or however you want. In my opinion, this will actually help layer burning through booster way faster. It should be good for CCP as well.

Because having a cap fosters players doing something other than straight killing all day. Without a cap, people wouldn't slow down to do more meaningful things like take control of a planet, because they are super worried about falling behind in skill points and must play every second they are on instead of forming a team and waiting for a PC match to start.

Later, when they add more non-straight FPS action, this will be even more important as they may need to wait for EVE support for this added content, and some won't be bothered if that means taking 3 hours out of their 'grind' time. People complain about a grind all the time, without a cap of some sort, the grind never ends, ever.

With a rolling cap, the newbies can put more effort in and get up to "pro" level of skill points faster. Which means more able bodies for all the extra content.

For example, If a veteran who play this game since day 1 (starting of open beta back in January) and hit a cap every week have 15mil SP. A new character created today will have 15mil cap to burn through. It may take him months, it may take him days to burn through all this cap. This way, new player have a chance to catch up with veteran..

This is very similar to a suggestion I posted about how to stop AFK SP farming during matches. Although I didn't specifically mention it, the lifetime SP cap I was thinking was 2 million, so it's nice to see that most of us agree a decent build is attained around 2 million SP.

Here are the total changes I would like to see:

• Active Booster until 1 million SP.
• Unlimited SP gain until 2 million SP.
• Normal rate beyond 2 million SP.
• In-game passive SP until 2 million SP.
• Other in-game compensation beyond 2 million SP. (3x WP bonus? something else?)
• AND/OR Other compensation for lack of in-game passive SP. (+100,000 to weekly SP cap?)

New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.

Or we can give them a "permanent" booster till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million.

Except it won't do anything. That will get you to your basic role, but you won't be enjoying this game competitively until you hit 8 mill. Over 50% of the new players will be gone long before that happens.

I don't think so, 2 million should get you into a advanced(maybe even proto) basic suit, and it should set you up with a good weapon setup and some core skills.

They won't be able to really branch out and try other fits till 3 or 4 million, or more likely they will focus on the class they set up and start to branch out at the 6-7 million mark.

So yeah, if they leave, they leave. But I think dust has enough staying power to get people in once they hit 2-3 million sp.

New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.

Or we can give them a "permanent" booster till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million.

Hm