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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:16:00 -
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New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.
Or we can give them a "permanent" till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:29:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.
Or we can give them a "permanent" till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million. It's called a rollover cap, CCP needs to implement the rollover system we voted on months ago... They put that in the game and new players can grind to their hearts content to make up the SP. Until this is in the game new players will shy away from staying unless they are gluttons for punishment. As long as the newer players can get a leg up. Im all for it. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:40:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Baldr Grimm wrote:Agreed, up til about 2 mil you can't field an actually useful fit. That is not true. You can get into and Adv suit and an adv weapon for less than 700k skill points. Don't most players start with 500k? Advanced armor/weapons with militia modules in the right hands can easily go toe to toe with weak Proto fit. You do start with 500k, and you are right, you can get a decent fit by around 750k but its tough.
You really need at least a little over 1 million before you start to become really conformable and start to branch out with different fits.
That first million needs to be good use, otherwise your gonna keep getting killed over and over again and then you won't be having a good time. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:46:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:What i always thought of was that as the game grows, they could change the initial amount of SP and maybe also ISK given to a new player.
So today a new player starts with 500k SP and 250k ISK to spend. And maybe sometime in the future they change that to 1 million SP and 500k ISK.
Honestly, a great idea. and I'd like to see it work like that in the future as well.
For now though, I think we should let the newer players grind if they feel the need to. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:i disagree, they should just start with 2 million SP.
Prices went up a lot with the new tree, starting SP should as well. I think the grind will help players learn the ropes and prevent newer players from just tossing their points into random skills.
Also, it helps to prevent abuse of system. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.31 20:40:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:I like the idea of no SP cap up to 2 million SP. Allow new users, who are likely excited to play a new game, go to town and have a slight ability to catch up.
A rollover system is nice, but that helps vets more than new players... Quite the opposite, it allows new players to catch up to vets if they put the extra time in. Exactly, I wanna see new guys stick around and expand the player base. |
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:48:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:They should just remove the cap altogether. What purpose does it actually serve? A few months down the line no matter how much you grind you are always going to be behind the 8ball against those that have been in game since open beta with the cap in place. So get rid of it. People are still going to buy boosters because more is more, and cap or no cap someone is still going to grind more than you do. I suppose its so some people can't just blow by everyone and become some sort of ubergod. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.01 06:14:00 -
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Yeah...that forum doesn't usually get too many post... |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.01 15:20:00 -
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Talruum Tezztarozza wrote:Rogue Saint wrote:Rollover cap doesn't solve anything for new players. I can pretty much guarantee that new players (if they like the game) will burn through the cap way before the reset and so will have nothing to rollover. The idea of rollover SP we purpose is that it start counting since the START of the game for all character. For example, If a veteran who play this game since day 1 (starting of open beta back in January) and hit a cap every week have 15mil SP. A new character created today will have 15mil cap to burn through. It may take him months, it may take him days to burn through all this cap. This way, new player have a chance to catch up with veteran. Technically, I don't see a problem with it. We already have some sort SP cap in place. They just need to change from "if SP earned this week > 190k then you hit the cap" to "if total SP > 15mil(and increasing every week) then you hit the cap". I realize that it's more complicated than this but it's very doable. Marketingly, very interesting, I never think of that. So If they need to rework active SP booster then so be it. Make it give bonus to set amount of SP or however you want. In my opinion, this will actually help layer burning through booster way faster. It should be good for CCP as well. The only problem with that is, not everybody has been hitting the cap every week. I have nearly 13 million sp, but I know plenty of guys who only have 4-8 million.
If you allow new players a unlimited cap, then it kind of punishes the people who have been here, but couldn't always hit the cap.
Maybe if it was implement to a average, or just up to half of whatever people would have if they hit the cap everyweek (I guess like 6.5-7.5 million) |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.02 13:39:00 -
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I think people will still buy boosters. |
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:29:00 -
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Good to be back ^_^ |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:28:00 -
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@Leither, I think the problem with 7 million, is the fact that it would take a long time to grind out.
Its nice, but like Shion Typhoon said, At 1.2 million he can get things done with his fit, but that extra 800k would really set him up nicely.
I think a 7 million cap would be a bit redundant, and I also believe that it would hurt booster sales.
Again, I'm not in disagreement with you. I just don't think it would be the best move for the game (though I'm all newer players for big getting a big boost) |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:38:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Except it won't do anything. That will get you to your basic role, but you won't be enjoying this game competitively until you hit 8 mill. Over 50% of the new players will be gone long before that happens. I don't think so, 2 million should get you into a advanced(maybe even proto) basic suit, and it should set you up with a good weapon setup and some core skills.
They won't be able to really branch out and try other fits till 3 or 4 million, or more likely they will focus on the class they set up and start to branch out at the 6-7 million mark.
So yeah, if they leave, they leave. But I think dust has enough staying power to get people in once they hit 2-3 million sp. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.03 17:22:00 -
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To go proto, yes, 3 million is not too much.
If you only want 2-3 levels in each, then its more then enough. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.04 13:21:00 -
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Its a beautiful morning. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.05 17:58:00 -
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I don't think it would be good to remove the cap completely. I have a tough time hitting my cap in one week, even if it was gone, I still would maybe only grind a extra couple k on top.
Now I know what your thinking "perfect, ive been a few thousand short of a skill plenty of times, and wwaitingfor the reset is killing me" while I agree that it can be helpful sometimes, I don't think new players will take advantage of it, more I think vets will use it to totally make themselves ultra powerful. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.07 16:43:00 -
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Lonely. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:15:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:New recruits should be allowed to grind to 2 million sp, then they get sp on a normal rate.
Or we can give them a "permanent" booster till they hit 1 million, then they hit the normal rate but still gain SP at a unlimited rate till 2 million. Hm ? |
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