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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
534
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:06:00 -
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When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. Dust probably dies this year in any case due to the gameplay just being bad, but the chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. |
DS 10
G I A N T EoN.
353
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:10:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. Dust probably dies this year in any case due to the gameplay just being bad, but the chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
If you want more Euro timers, win matches. I didn't think the concept was too difficult to grasp. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1143
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:11:00 -
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No
The winners get to change timers because you failed to win
As it is the losers can consistantly throw ISK and clones packs at you and prevent you from moving your timer even tho you keep hammering them and pushing them back, ther is no escape
I really dont care what corps do, its upto them when they change ther times but also think of this
We only have Modlen Heath, 1 region, when PC gets expanded out into more regions and more planets we will have even more districts and you cannot put 100districts in the same 12hr timezone without them interfering with other districts timers
It may only be a problem now in Molden Heath in the short term but in the long term it will balance itself out with the increase of planets and districts |
Technical-Support
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
56
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:11:00 -
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obvscared. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
347
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:14:00 -
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don't fight CRONOS they stand for freedom and bacon! I mean if you fight CRONOS you won't be able to play if you are not AMERICAN! Last time propaganda stank this much was in the 1940s |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:15:00 -
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And this Ladies and Gentlemen, is why PC isn't going to work with the current format. PC needs to be open to Solo mercs, with Job Board contracts. |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
161
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:16:00 -
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As Englishsnake says, the problem at the momenet is there is only one 1 region.
And there is no MMO sandbox at the moment. Thats a real problem. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
566
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:17:00 -
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And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. |
StarCrash II
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:18:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
You dont play in null sec in eve do you
Hint: alarm clock |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:19:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is.
Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way |
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A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
88
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:21:00 -
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I want the ability to sneak into a district and change the timer in my favour. If it is not changed back within 5 minutes then I get to blow up the clock and they can not change the new time for 25 hours I.e. while they repair the facility. |
Technical-Support
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
56
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:26:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way
Sad part is they are... |
Gigatron Prime
The.Primes
72
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:26:00 -
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Lets not kid ourselves. America is the world leader on this planet. Shoulda been born in the US haters. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:31:00 -
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Technical-Support wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way Sad part is they are...
Yeah... that is why they need the help from other countries to finish things...Lets be honest.. The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there... |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
320
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:33:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
I'm curious how Euro's envisioned PC would go for them when all Euro corps joined the same alliance? Did you just expect to never have to fight anyone because your timers where during the US lunch time? Did you think US players would just allow you guys to farm isk without any risk to attack due to your monopoly of the Euro TZ?
CRONOS falling will actually be the best possible outcome for Euro players as hopefully they will split apart and join different alliances blending them with their US counterparts allowing for all TZs to be represented by many different alliances.
By creating a EU TZ monopoly in CRONOS you forced CCP to make this change. The best thing for the Euro's would be for CRONOS to fall, because that would end the segregation between US and EU players that exists today. |
trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
535
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:36:00 -
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Technical-Support wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way Sad part is they are...
I can go and toss a number between 2 and 4, and the multiplier of US vs. restoftheworld player pool would surface in between. This player pool and timezone mechanics combined result in a clear outcome, which is PC becoming 0200-0600 hours timed sandbox. Only one continent has any business in entering such a sandbox through expensive genopacks, as the corporations in it grow fat on clone goo.
The only thing mounting a defense against this outcome is the CRONUT coalition. We are the only thing rallied against the inevitable looking cutting out of 2/3 of the topographical world from playing Dust sandbox.
There are two types of game mechanics: preserving and **** stirring ones. June 4th mechanic is a **** stirrer - it favors the attacker. CCP does not realize, however, that in this very time the preserving mechanic is the only one that has been actively keeping the rest of the world in the sandbox. When it changes, the numbers advantage the US coalition has will turn into countless attacks that plain burn out rest of the world from the sandbox.
This is what CRONOS will fight. Rally with us for Dust514, or rally against us to kill the game. I personally enjoy either of the outcomes: a glorious future for the sandbox, or a coup de grace for a rough first person shooter. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
271
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:38:00 -
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What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:42:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:don't fight CRONOS they stand for freedom and bacon! I mean if you fight CRONOS you won't be able to play if you are not AMERICAN! Last time propaganda stank this much was in the 1940s damnit bonney you took my thoughts no cookie for u |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:44:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Technical-Support wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way Sad part is they are... I can go and toss a number between 2 and 4, and the multiplier of US vs. restoftheworld player pool would surface in between. This player pool and timezone mechanics combined result in a clear outcome, which is PC becoming 0200-0600 hours timed sandbox. Only one continent has any business in entering such a sandbox through expensive genopacks, as the corporations in it grow fat on clone goo. The only thing mounting a defense against this outcome is the CRONUT coalition. We are the only thing rallied against the inevitable looking cutting out of 2/3 of the topographical world from playing Dust sandbox. There are two types of game mechanics: preserving and **** stirring ones. June 4th mechanic is a **** stirrer - it favors the attacker. CCP does not realize, however, that in this very time the preserving mechanic is the only one that has been actively keeping the rest of the world in the sandbox. When it changes, the numbers advantage the US coalition has will turn into countless attacks that plain burn out rest of the world from the sandbox. This is what CRONOS will fight. Rally with us for Dust514, or rally against us to kill the game. I personally enjoy either of the outcomes: a glorious future for the sandbox, or a coup de grace for a rough first person shooter. lmao when did cronos become so pro dust community i guess after you awoxed dust uni? you guys are so for everyone else you are the victim here for sure. for sure.
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The Infected One
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
222
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:46:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Technical-Support wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way Sad part is they are... I can go and toss a number between 2 and 4, and the multiplier of US vs. restoftheworld player pool would surface in between. This player pool and timezone mechanics combined result in a clear outcome, which is PC becoming 0200-0600 hours timed sandbox. Only one continent has any business in entering such a sandbox through expensive genopacks, as the corporations in it grow fat on clone goo. The only thing mounting a defense against this outcome is the CRONUT coalition. We are the only thing rallied against the inevitable looking cutting out of 2/3 of the topographical world from playing Dust sandbox. There are two types of game mechanics: preserving and **** stirring ones. June 4th mechanic is a **** stirrer - it favors the WINNER. CCP does not realize, however, that in this very time the preserving mechanic is the only one that has been actively keeping the rest of the world in the sandbox. When it changes, the numbers advantage the US coalition has will turn into countless attacks that plain burn out rest of the world from the sandbox. This is what CRONOS will fight. Rally with us for Dust514, or rally against us to kill the game. I personally enjoy either of the outcomes: a glorious future for the sandbox, or a coup de grace for a rough first person shooter.
Ftfy^ |
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
956
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:48:00 -
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I've been warning for months that Molden Heath would soon be locked down by kaiju alliances and turn into a NAP fest (aka The Blue Donut).
It's been two weeks and this is just another facet of that transformation.
Until we have more space to fight over, a handful of kaijus will be able to dominate PC and turn all the timers to their advantage. Once the timers are turned, that just hastens the transformation and reduces the number of corps that can compete.
The difficulty here is that CCP is trying to make a "casual friendly" "hardcore" game, which is like making milk-free cheese, i.e.- tofu. Some people like tofu, but many people don't- so they try to make the soy cheese more cheese-like and less tofu-like. That angers the people who like tofu and the people who prefer cheese still aren't happy.
Which gets back to...
CCP needs to give people more game options, and especially more sandbox opportunities. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
589
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:48:00 -
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*Eats Popcorn*
"This is good, you guys should keep on about how he is asking CCP to give districts to Euro and Asia because they will lose money if they don't" |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:51:00 -
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Vaerana Myshtana wrote:I've been warning for months that Molden Heath would soon be locked down by kaiju alliances and turn into a NAP fest (aka The Blue Donut).
It's been two weeks and this is just another facet of that transformation.
Until we have more space to fight over, a handful of kaijus will be able to dominate PC and turn all the timers to their advantage. Once the timers are turned, that just hastens the transformation and reduces the number of corps that can compete.
The difficulty here is that CCP is trying to make a "casual friendly" "hardcore" game, which is like making milk-free cheese, i.e.- tofu. Some people like tofu, but many people don't- so they try to make the soy cheese more cheese-like and less tofu-like. That angers the people who like tofu and the people who prefer cheese still aren't happy.
Which gets back to...
CCP needs to give people more game options, and especially more sandbox opportunities. so when cronos took 77 districts in the first day that wasn't limiting the sandbox? i don't recall them handing our districts to other EU and Asia timezones? hell the even tried to use the Orion Empire to wipe out there only Us competition... did you have anything to say then? |
Sir Meode
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
620
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:52:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Lets not kid ourselves. America is the world leader on this planet. Shoulda been born in the US haters.
Yes world leader in obesity, Debt, unemployment, failed wars, gun crime, inability to define friendly's in war. the list goes on |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1145
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:52:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Technical-Support wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:And why would the change on the 4th stop any EU corps from taking US districts on the weekends and flip the timers? If they're good enough to win matches that is. Yeah.. because the US is superior to everyone else, in every single possible way Sad part is they are... I can go and toss a number between 2 and 4, and the multiplier of US vs. restoftheworld player pool would surface in between. This player pool and timezone mechanics combined result in a clear outcome, which is PC becoming 0200-0600 hours timed sandbox. Only one continent has any business in entering such a sandbox through expensive genopacks, as the corporations in it grow fat on clone goo. The only thing mounting a defense against this outcome is the CRONUT coalition. We are the only thing rallied against the inevitable looking cutting out of 2/3 of the topographical world from playing Dust sandbox. There are two types of game mechanics: preserving and **** stirring ones. June 4th mechanic is a **** stirrer - it favors the attacker. CCP does not realize, however, that in this very time the preserving mechanic is the only one that has been actively keeping the rest of the world in the sandbox. When it changes, the numbers advantage the US coalition has will turn into countless attacks that plain burn out rest of the world from the sandbox. This is what CRONOS will fight. Rally with us for Dust514, or rally against us to kill the game. I personally enjoy either of the outcomes: a glorious future for the sandbox, or a coup de grace for a rough first person shooter.
Actually this mechanic change favours the winner
If the attacker wins and gets the district they can change the timer
If the defender wins they can change the timer
Whoever wins and gets that districts they can change the timer
The only players who seem to be against this are the losers because they cannot just throw ISK at the problem anymore and they actually have to fight and win
This US TZ thing is short term at best but it also depends on who controls the districts and also the alliance
In EVE generally alliances need to have corps and members across all the TZ to be able to defend and attack when they like
If CRONOS is all EU then whos fault is that? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4809
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Posted - 2013.05.31 12:58:00 -
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Planetary Conquest is serious business. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
343
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:03:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before.
I agree and would like to add the last paragraph on the second page but my phone doesn't copy/paste well. The last paragraph says that the FW part is working as intended and people are noticing. The article is good if you like battle reports and interesting if you want to learn about FW. http://themittani.com/news/black-rise-factional-warfare-roundup-may |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
323
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Planetary Conquest is serious business.
why are u on the CPM? |
2-Ton Twenty-One
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
641
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:08:00 -
[29] - Quote
Except NF is a multinational alliance. If anyone is segregating is "EU POWER" CRONOS |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:12:00 -
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let's me make sure i got this right.
Cronos blued The Orion Empire... Fail
Cronos blued Unclaimed..... Failing
Cronos tried meta game.... fail
Cronos tried to hide behind timers. fail
Cronos tried to beat us on the ground.... fail
Cronos trying to turn the community against EoN.... fail
Cronos everything your doing is a failure. and you started all with your massive land grab and sending orion empire after us. Live with your mistake, as a ceo in EoN. i would seriously consider an unconditional surrender. anything less..... fail :) |
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steadyhand amarr
Amarr Imortal volunteers
644
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:16:00 -
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They should remove the lock out timer and just have it if u can't defend tough **** u get offlined. Corps are than capabily of making sure they have coverag. Set timers turn any game into a job just look at what happened in GA the burn out rate was horrific. 23/7 is not a perfect system but it's a whole new layer of strategy and stops thr game being A team vs A team as at the moment PC is just a glorified ladder match system |
Winscar Shinobi
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
237
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:17:00 -
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Yeah you talk about how horrible it would be to hide behind the timer, yet for the majority of districts you hide behind the timer.
Like I've said countless times best solution: allow for 2 timers a district. Make it so that when an attack is declared on the district the attackers must select 1 of the two times ad as long as they are attacking they must use that time. And make it set up that they can't pick times too close together or far apart. (What could be worse than a 4PM est timer and a second at 4AM est?) |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
180
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:18:00 -
[33] - Quote
Panther Alpha wrote:And this Ladies and Gentlemen, is why PC isn't going to work with the current format. PC needs to be open to Solo mercs, with Job Board contracts. Like a CEO can put up a contact asking for 6 mercs with at least a 4 star rating? |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
331
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:20:00 -
[34] - Quote
There is nothing sandbox about Dust. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
340
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:22:00 -
[35] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:And this Ladies and Gentlemen, is why PC isn't going to work with the current format. PC needs to be open to Solo mercs, with Job Board contracts. Like a CEO can put up a contact asking for 6 mercs with at least a 4 star rating?
Yep... something like that. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
188
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
Cody Sietz wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:And this Ladies and Gentlemen, is why PC isn't going to work with the current format. PC needs to be open to Solo mercs, with Job Board contracts. Like a CEO can put up a contact asking for 6 mercs with at least a 4 star rating?
My business would triple with that! hey why you trying to shoot that down?
*It would make PC even more VIP then*
Oh.. right. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:23:00 -
[37] - Quote
trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
This is why you don't make an alliance with people from just one region. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
426
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:24:00 -
[38] - Quote
Gigatron Prime wrote:Lets not kid ourselves. America is the world leader on this planet. Shoulda been born in the US haters.
Way to demonstrate the superiority complex. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr Imortal volunteers
644
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:25:00 -
[39] - Quote
Agree with pantha quite like a true merc rating and job board system. Even allow playerd to rate mercs after a match :-) |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
387
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:39:00 -
[40] - Quote
Stop exploiting Euro timers and lag and maybe we'll stop face arping you every day. AMURRICA!!!! BLOND CHICKS AND COLD BEER! Semper.
-Char out. |
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Vaerana Myshtana
Bojo's School of the Trades
957
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:47:00 -
[41] - Quote
mrunknown2u2 wrote: so when cronos took 77 districts in the first day that wasn't limiting the sandbox? i don't recall them handing our districts to other EU and Asia timezones? hell the even tried to use the Orion Empire to wipe out there only Us competition... did you have anything to say then?
Actually, I seem to recall posting something about how the Blue Donut had begun round about Day 1 or 2.
Which kaiju is in the lead changes a bit, but the fact remains that PC is very limited in reach (to the player base) and is likely to continue to become more so. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3342
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:55:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. I'm curious how Euro's envisioned PC would go for them when all Euro corps joined the same alliance? Did you just expect to never have to fight anyone because your timers where during the US lunch time? Did you think US players would just allow you guys to farm isk without any risk to attack due to your monopoly of the Euro TZ? CRONOS falling will actually be the best possible outcome for Euro players as hopefully they will split apart and join different alliances blending them with their US counterparts allowing for all TZs to be represented by many different alliances. By creating a EU TZ monopoly in CRONOS you forced CCP to make this change. The best thing for the Euro's would be for CRONOS to fall, because that would end the segregation between US and EU players that exists today.
THIS. Nyan San joined NF and they cover all 3 timezones, From day 1 everyone saw that CRONOS took in all the decent EU corps just for this to have 0 competition on that timezone to print free ISK cuz lets be honest most timers i see on the board are around the time u play anyway and FYI we had to alarm clock during the damn weekday at 4am to win some bs districts off your Orion lapdogs so HTFU be glad the timer fix is inbound cuz we could of still be on that 4am timer with how PC currently is.
PS: i LOVE trollsroyce propaganda btw
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
538
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Posted - 2013.05.31 13:58:00 -
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Have you read the internal ones Mav :) |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
45
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:00:00 -
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remove the damn timers. Cant believe PC wasn't in beta... |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
990
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:11:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies
Wow... Pander much? So let me get this straight...
1) If CRONOS fails with timers/PC battles, Dust 514 as a game will cease to exist 2) CRONOS is the underdog because they control 30%+ of Molden Heath 3) NF and EON control what content CCP distributes 4) CRONOS is the only ones that should be able to "push everyone else out and set timers"
This about sum it up?
While I am sure you are trying to meta-game, it sure is a 180 from a post you put up ONE DAY AGO.
Here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=882333#post882333
Some select quotes:
trollsroyce wrote:CRONOS wants to keep the ISK printer we secured and planned meticulously. .
trollsroyce wrote:Kane Spero has convoed everyone on the map to pile up on CRONOS, painting a picture of PC dying to us. This is hardly the case.
trollsroyce wrote:You are welcome to try us come June 4th, see how far your allies can carry you.
trollsroyce wrote:Expect us to make a move on it come June 4th, when we can finally mount a meaningful offensive to your US timers.
It seems you guys were all for the timers until you starting failscading every PC battle CRONOS fought. From the sound of the above quotes you guys are printing isk and doing just fine, so how is Dust514 let alone CRONOS going to fail if one small change happens?
Unless your master plan was to hide behind EU timers and hope we don't attack on the weekend?
Sorry but NF has players in it from all over the world, so painting us as a US only alliance is not only wrong, but ignorant.
I look forward to your game saving response. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:13:00 -
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In the other part of our Universe. You know, those blinking lights in the sky.
An alliance doesn't do too well if they don't cover all Time zones.
The winner of a Match gets to set the timer. This is bad because?
If you actually believe the whole EU v. US bollox then you are a ******* moron.
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EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
377
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:16:00 -
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wonder if it ever dawned on them if they win the district that they could make the timer EU? guess not? |
Telcontar Dunedain
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
435
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:17:00 -
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Posting in epic butthurt thread. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
479
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:22:00 -
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This thread is just so yummy. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3342
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Posted - 2013.05.31 14:42:00 -
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Cyn Bruin wrote: Wow... Pander much? So let me get this straight... 1) If CRONOS fails with timers/PC battles, Dust 514 as a game will cease to exist 2) CRONOS is the underdog because they control 30%+ of Molden Heath 3) NF and EON control what content CCP distributes 4) CRONOS is the only ones that should be able to "push everyone else out and set timers" This about sum it up? While I am sure you are trying to meta-game, it sure is a 180 from a post you put up ONE DAY AGO. Here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=882333#post882333 Some select quotes: trollsroyce wrote:CRONOS wants to keep the ISK printer we secured and planned meticulously. . trollsroyce wrote:Kane Spero has convoed everyone on the map to pile up on CRONOS, painting a picture of PC dying to us. This is hardly the case. trollsroyce wrote:You are welcome to try us come June 4th, see how far your allies can carry you. trollsroyce wrote:Expect us to make a move on it come June 4th, when we can finally mount a meaningful offensive to your US timers. It seems you guys were all for the timers until you starting failscading every PC battle CRONOS fought. From the sound of the above quotes you guys are printing isk and doing just fine, so how is Dust514 let alone CRONOS going to fail if one small change happens? Unless your master plan was to hide behind EU timers and hope we don't attack on the weekend? Sorry but NF has players in it from all over the world, so painting us as a US only alliance is not only wrong, but ignorant. I look forward to your game saving response.
Its their fault gathered all the "top" EU corps and put them in 1 alliance with little US coverage and hide behind 1300-1600 timers ppl cant hit from the US then cry victim? gtfo
the mere fact u had those safe timers that we cant take and HOLD because of the current PC mechanic where u can toss ISK to lock us in and knowing we cant fight on those times u eventually take it back
Its EASIER for u on a weekday AND weekend to hit 0000-0200 timers than it is for US ppl to leave work during lunch hour to run home to play a PC match.
EoN has a good portion of EU ppl as well, yes we are primarily US but we can field teams on some early US timers when US ppl still at work.
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mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
38
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:00:00 -
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Mav if the gave up would u let them? I do enjoy these tears tho. |
Hawkin P
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
56
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:04:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
Mellodramatic much? I see your still trying to hold on to that ISK printer.
The quick timer change effects everyone the same, it will let you (Chronus) take a district then set your timer to 4pm your time, (9-12 am in the Americas) So its hard for us in the West to attack you, something you have been taking advantage of all along.
The Pot's just scared when the kettle is able to use their own tactics against them. |
Moochie Cricket
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
309
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:04:00 -
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EnIgMa99 wrote:wonder if it ever dawned on them if they win the district that they could make the timer EU? guess not?
If they win... |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
350
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:15:00 -
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Winter is coming |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
21
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:30:00 -
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This is what it looks like when someones couch gets ******* |
Laurent Cazaderon
What The French CRONOS.
1487
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:32:00 -
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The push for not locking districts after conquest isnt a EON nor NF effort.
I've been asking for it since they first announced that districts would be locked after capture. And it is as much of a pain for US than it will be for EU. But even when losing a district, you could still attack it before it gets its RT changed. it's a matter of who is the fastest.
Also, the fact you can change a RT right after conquest is as much a counter-measure to one TZ dominating the other as it will allow a corp making the effort to fight at a difficult time over say, a week-end, to actually change the RT and get in a confort zone for days not everyone can afford playing very late or very early.
Now, let's keep in mind that this is just the beginning of PC. First rules, first region etc.. Many things are bound to evolve.
None the less, you raise a good point about US being the biggest player base. If we're being very honest i'm pretty sure that is how it plays out regarding numbers:
US >> EU > Asia
In terms of TZ, it's obvious US have an edge : few timers to fight in the middle of the night as those would be early morning in europe or late evening in asia. And as asia is probably the smallest player base, one can easily see how that's an advantage.
But this isnt caused by CCP nor PC rules. |
Telcontar Dunedain
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
436
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:40:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:The push for not locking districts after conquest isnt a EON nor NF effort.
I've been asking for it since they first announced that districts would be locked after capture. And it is as much of a pain for US than it will be for EU. But even when losing a district, you could still attack it before it gets its RT changed. it's a matter of who is the fastest.
Also, the fact you can change a RT right after conquest is as much a counter-measure to one TZ dominating the other as it will allow a corp making the effort to fight at a difficult time over say, a week-end, to actually change the RT and get in a confort zone for days not everyone can afford playing very late or very early.
Now, let's keep in mind that this is just the beginning of PC. First rules, first region etc.. Many things are bound to evolve.
None the less, you raise a good point about US being the biggest player base. If we're being very honest i'm pretty sure that is how it plays out regarding numbers:
US >> EU > Asia
In terms of TZ, it's obvious US have an edge : few timers to fight in the middle of the night as those would be early morning in europe or late evening in asia. And as asia is probably the smallest player base, one can easily see how that's an advantage.
But this isnt caused by CCP nor PC rules.
Also
US gungame > EU gungame
getgood scrubs |
BatKing Deltor
Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY
32
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Posted - 2013.05.31 15:46:00 -
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all im reading : "the timers wont be in our favor, so cronos will fall, this should not happen, so lets make ccp not make any changes, because i want my alliance to be the only winners"
heres what i have to say, To Effing Bad. suck it up.
funny how a couple of the cpm members come from Cronos, this should not be like that. that needs to change.
Have a nice Day!!!! |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
995
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:00:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:The push for not locking districts after conquest isnt a EON nor NF effort.
I've been asking for it since they first announced that districts would be locked after capture.
Trollsroyce,
1 of your own CPM members asked for this... you were trolled by your own alliance and didn't know it. GG
It all comes down to winning your fights, sooo....
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1500
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:16:00 -
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I find it unfortunate that so many fell for the sweet whispers of a leader that felt that uniting everyone by region was a good idea. New Eden and Dust 514 are global games. Regionalism will leave you weak. Mercs should be happy to embrace their brothers and sisters from AROUND THE WORLD. Instead Cronos chose a dark path. They chose to focus their alliance into a small number of timezones. They built a fortress not from conflict and strength in arms, but with words and spreadsheets. They have built a castle of sand and New Eden loves tearing down sand castles.
Their members are now paying the price for their leaders' short sightedness. The few in Cronos that wish to seek out fights and make war in New Eden, as it should be, are held back by the weight of their weaker entities. It must be tiring to always be fighting for someone's loosing battles, to gain ground to only see your "allies" efforts fall flat. In the end, Cronos doesn't want to fight. They want to sit on mountains of territories and collect ISK without conflict. They use this money they get from passive means to attack themselves to prevent others from attack and they then use these mountains of money to strike out at the independents (even those from the region they reportedly are championing) thinking that they can crush them with their sheer weight. They doubted the resolve of the free mercs from around the world and they doubted their skill on the battlefield.
In the end Cronos named themselves after their own worst enemy: time. |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
635
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:21:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. Bad PR attempt is bad.
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grreen mctree
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:25:00 -
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Lol americant people are funny (in a sad way) |
Kharga Lum
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
65
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:33:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before.
It's not a sandbox. It's a tournament.
If MH is owned 100% by one corp/alliance would CCP address any of the issues that have been brought up about PC or would it be "working as intended"?
Let them take it. I'm curious to see what would happen then.
If a district has no anti-ship defenses I should be able to land there, shoot a few things and reinforce it like a POS. Then have a battle for it when it comes out of reinforced.
Why do two warring factions need to schedule their war and are limited to the number of soldiers they can bring. It's not war, it's a soccer/football match. Too much structure for it to be sandbox. |
Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
46
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:41:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
there is a very easy solution to this that you seem to be missing. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
836
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:46:00 -
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Not our fault we can manage to get people on and fight at your sucky EU times and take your stuff, but you're unable to do it to anybody else. Have you tried getting good? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1818
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:48:00 -
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Tiel Syysch wrote:Not our fault we can manage to get people on and fight at your sucky EU times and take your stuff, but you're unable to do it to anybody else. Have you tried getting good?
Excellent diagnosis! Unfortunately the prognosis is grim. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1510
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:50:00 -
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xAckie wrote:As Englishsnake says, the problem at the moment is there is only one 1 region.
More generally, there is no MMO sandbox. Thats a real problem.
Opening new regions without the foundation of PC being fixed isn't the answer. Iterate and perfect the system first and then add new space. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1818
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:51:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:xAckie wrote:As Englishsnake says, the problem at the moment is there is only one 1 region.
More generally, there is no MMO sandbox. Thats a real problem. Opening new regions without the foundation of PC being fixed isn't the answer. Iterate and perfect the system first and then add new space.
Besides, there is no where far enough to run and hide once we decide it's fun to take your toys away. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
132
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:52:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. Just... Wow. I've been staying up till 6 am for weeks helping corps keep there districts because they can't find people since there own can't stay up so late. For weeks CRONOS has been pounding smaller corps using the timer to there advantage. . The first sign of it not working - you make this crap post that screams propaganda and unfairness?
And you make this thread after weeks of chest beating. I guess your own beatings have been taking it's toll.
I wish you'd honestly take back this statement and apologize to everyone you purposely tried to **** over using your blue donut. Because not only did you guys create the largest alliance in the game - took advantage of CCP **** up of letting EU grab first - and abused PC (Like attacking yourself to lock districts to keep them safe from invasion) but now you're crying that "US Players" are the majority.
Wasn't that obvious since... i don't know... back in closed beta? Isn't that why you guys grabbed all the EU corps? To make it EU vs US? If it didn't work out you only have yourselves to blame.
This thread really does anger me. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
492
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:52:00 -
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I see and fight in matches not in US time zone... I couldn't help but facepalm while reading this stuff. |
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Jenza's Pants
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:03:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
Your tears fill me with nourishment.
Also, isnt this what CRONOS has been up to? |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
365
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
Hahahaha this is great, thank you. What a horrible attempt at PR and then just picked apart in the replies, hell even a Cronos CEO comes in and say otherwise... oh the tears! |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1499
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:00:00 -
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I am very demoralized and I feel CRONOS might break apart because the Americans are very right :'(
It makes me so sad to see all these American guys posting and being so very serious, I.. I just.. Nope can't finish, lolsuperseriousthread that even got SoTa mad, lolol <3 glhf guise. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
661
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:31:00 -
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TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect
===================================================================================================
I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680
Here are the facts
-I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude
-I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene.
-CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war.
The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake.
-They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space.
#IMPeffect
Furthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results.
In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag
I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
168
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
Mexico, South America and Canada share the same time zones the US does.....funny how you forgot to mention those roughly 700 million people. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
23
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Posted - 2013.05.31 23:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
#OperationButtSex |
Ani X
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:47:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
Very confused your logic is, young Padawan.
We have dozens of technical and conceptional issues with PCQ battles... the timers are so much of a non-issue.
Greetings from Europe. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:56:00 -
[78] - Quote
"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
44
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:06:00 -
[79] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect =================================================================================================== I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680Here are the facts -I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude -I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene. -CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war. The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake. -They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space. #IMPeffectFurthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results. In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed. this^^
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TYRlON LANNISTER
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:48:00 -
[80] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect =================================================================================================== I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680Here are the facts -I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude -I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene. -CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war. The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake. -They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space. #IMPeffectFurthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results. In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed.
QFT |
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:52:00 -
[81] - Quote
To much effort to wade through the QQ, but what does this mean for Asia timezone (GMT +8) players like me? |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
706
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:10:00 -
[82] - Quote
BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B
That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it? |
Phantomnom
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
579
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Knight SoIaire wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it?
..It actually was. |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:00:00 -
[84] - Quote
Knight SoIaire wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it?
Surely was efficient |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1455
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
Cross-timezone battles will always be broken. When EU is inactive, NA is active and vice versa. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
409
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP needs to open up more constellations so more corps can get in. This has been obvious since day one. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
409
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:28:00 -
[87] - Quote
Kharga Lum wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before. It's not a sandbox. It's a tournament. If MH is owned 100% by one corp/alliance would CCP address any of the issues that have been brought up about PC or would it be "working as intended"? Let them take it. I'm curious to see what would happen then. If a district has no anti-ship defenses I should be able to land there, shoot a few things and reinforce it like a POS. Then have a battle for it when it comes out of reinforced. Why do two warring factions need to schedule their war and are limited to the number of soldiers they can bring. It's not war, it's a soccer/football match. Too much structure for it to be sandbox.
Football with a quarterback, might I add. BC we're america and america is #1.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
621
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:53:00 -
[88] - Quote
All your districts are belong to US.
....and Canada. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Its either, "Make it US only" or.... god forbid "Time Dilation ". And i do not want to play an FPS with freaking time dilation, this game stutters enough as it is. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2159
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
I'm sur someone said it in this thread already, but I feel like saying it again.
You guys had the BRILLIANT idea to make your alliance ALL EU, so you main competition will be US...DERP!
First week of PC, the big bad CRONOS attacked EoN like there was no tomorrow. People were forced to play on bad timers, but the guys in EoN pull together, rang for whoever needed the help, and pull through.
CRONOS bragged all over the forums about having the most districts and that they won PC. Now here we are. CRONOS losing districts, losing the vast majority of battles. Now the excuses come out.
- Lag
- Bad Timers
- Bad PC mechanic cuz they can't shove 1000 players on the battelefield vs 16
Where were these lovely excuses when you guys were bragging? When you guys won a couple games I didn't hear excuses. Now start to beat you, day in and day out, it's LAG!!! Even on your own EU servers...IT'S LAG!!!!
And now this joke of a thread. Yeah let's blame the bad guys EoN and NF for standing up to the blue donut, and cry about PC only being US.
YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT.
What did you expect will happen when there's no EU corps to play against????
Your days are numbered CRONOS, now is not the time for excuses. Man the **** up, and play the game. Farmville is over. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2362
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
Anyone want to take bets when CRONOS will fall and start asking to be left alone by letting x amount of districts free for grabs? |
danny12343331
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
68
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:All your districts are belong to US.
....and Canada.
....and Mexico. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
89
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:29:00 -
[93] - Quote
danny12343331 wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:All your districts are belong to US.
....and Canada. ....and Mexico.
So we're really not going to include Central or South America in our timezones? Sorry guys we'll take your coffee and hot Brazilian models but not your FPS players. *tired sigh* |
Unmei no Hoeru
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
1
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Posted - 2013.06.08 08:46:00 -
[94] - Quote
Well that's a lot of cheering on PC, is obvious someone will chestbump each other and brag about winning since in the game it requires teamwork and organisation to pull out something amazing like it-¦s been happening since PC came around the corner. And I'm not talking about CRONOS or *insert alliance name here* or *insert corp's name here* but everyone.
In the other end CRONOS it's not purely EU, i.e. GAC receives directly (well received directly since "you know what" happened around every corp in PC) any Spanish speaking player of Dust, and give us American players our TZ district (which we fail to defend :S); but yes our alliance length is mostly in EU. As far as I know we attacked NF because we knew it was the bigger threat and avoid what's happening now to all ends of MH, but if you guys didn't had pulled it off like you did (which I congrats you for doing), you'll be posting the same thing but with different words. I don't see the future or whatever is coming for Planetary Conquest but I do know I'll keep fighting for GAC and CRONOS alike till an ending comes through (and even more know since I'm finally on vacations :P).
Please take this as a personal opinion and not as an alliance memo or something, I haven't meet any of the NF or EON guys but I'm sure they're cool guys to play with even with all the comments told in the forums. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
649
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Posted - 2013.06.08 09:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
Unmei no Hoeru wrote:Well that's a lot of cheering on PC, is obvious someone will chestbump each other and brag about winning since in the game it requires teamwork and organisation to pull out something amazing like it-¦s been happening since PC came around the corner. And I'm not talking about CRONOS or *insert alliance name here* or *insert corp's name here* but everyone.
In the other end CRONOS it's not purely EU, i.e. GAC receives directly (well received directly since "you know what" happened around every corp in PC) any Spanish speaking player of Dust, and give us American players our TZ district (which we fail to defend :S); but yes our alliance length is mostly in EU. As far as I know we attacked NF because we knew it was the bigger threat and avoid what's happening now to all ends of MH, but if you guys didn't had pulled it off like you did (which I congrats you for doing), you'll be posting the same thing but with different words. I don't see the future or whatever is coming for Planetary Conquest but I do know I'll keep fighting for GAC and CRONOS alike till an ending comes through (and even more know since I'm finally on vacations :P).
Please take this as a personal opinion and not as an alliance memo or something, I haven't meet any of the NF or EON guys but I'm sure they're cool guys to play with even with all the comments told in the forums. Reaction |
Arirana
Red Star. EoN.
3
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:58:00 -
[96] - Quote
Sir Meode wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Lets not kid ourselves. America is the world leader on this planet. Shoulda been born in the US haters. Yes world leader in obesity, Debt, unemployment, failed wars, gun crime, inability to define friendly's in war. the list goes on ******* hate arguments about this. I'm not here to argue which world power is better, I'm here to play a game and have fun. Gigatron Prime, you're arrogant and need to stop fishing for flame. I live in the US too, doesn't mean I have to be a US supremacist. I don't blame you Meode for calling him out on it. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
411
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Posted - 2013.06.08 21:14:00 -
[97] - Quote
North America is the best at shooters. Period. That's why we won WWII! |
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