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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
635
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:21:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. Bad PR attempt is bad.
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grreen mctree
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.05.31 16:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lol americant people are funny (in a sad way) |
Kharga Lum
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
65
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:33:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before.
It's not a sandbox. It's a tournament.
If MH is owned 100% by one corp/alliance would CCP address any of the issues that have been brought up about PC or would it be "working as intended"?
Let them take it. I'm curious to see what would happen then.
If a district has no anti-ship defenses I should be able to land there, shoot a few things and reinforce it like a POS. Then have a battle for it when it comes out of reinforced.
Why do two warring factions need to schedule their war and are limited to the number of soldiers they can bring. It's not war, it's a soccer/football match. Too much structure for it to be sandbox. |
Blamejudg3s KEQ
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
46
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:41:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
there is a very easy solution to this that you seem to be missing. |
Tiel Syysch
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
836
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:46:00 -
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Not our fault we can manage to get people on and fight at your sucky EU times and take your stuff, but you're unable to do it to anybody else. Have you tried getting good? |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1818
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Tiel Syysch wrote:Not our fault we can manage to get people on and fight at your sucky EU times and take your stuff, but you're unable to do it to anybody else. Have you tried getting good?
Excellent diagnosis! Unfortunately the prognosis is grim. |
Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1510
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:50:00 -
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xAckie wrote:As Englishsnake says, the problem at the moment is there is only one 1 region.
More generally, there is no MMO sandbox. Thats a real problem.
Opening new regions without the foundation of PC being fixed isn't the answer. Iterate and perfect the system first and then add new space. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1818
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:51:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:xAckie wrote:As Englishsnake says, the problem at the moment is there is only one 1 region.
More generally, there is no MMO sandbox. Thats a real problem. Opening new regions without the foundation of PC being fixed isn't the answer. Iterate and perfect the system first and then add new space.
Besides, there is no where far enough to run and hide once we decide it's fun to take your toys away. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
132
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:52:00 -
[69] - Quote
trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side. Just... Wow. I've been staying up till 6 am for weeks helping corps keep there districts because they can't find people since there own can't stay up so late. For weeks CRONOS has been pounding smaller corps using the timer to there advantage. . The first sign of it not working - you make this crap post that screams propaganda and unfairness?
And you make this thread after weeks of chest beating. I guess your own beatings have been taking it's toll.
I wish you'd honestly take back this statement and apologize to everyone you purposely tried to **** over using your blue donut. Because not only did you guys create the largest alliance in the game - took advantage of CCP **** up of letting EU grab first - and abused PC (Like attacking yourself to lock districts to keep them safe from invasion) but now you're crying that "US Players" are the majority.
Wasn't that obvious since... i don't know... back in closed beta? Isn't that why you guys grabbed all the EU corps? To make it EU vs US? If it didn't work out you only have yourselves to blame.
This thread really does anger me. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
492
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Posted - 2013.05.31 17:52:00 -
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I see and fight in matches not in US time zone... I couldn't help but facepalm while reading this stuff. |
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Jenza's Pants
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:03:00 -
[71] - Quote
trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
Your tears fill me with nourishment.
Also, isnt this what CRONOS has been up to? |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
365
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Posted - 2013.05.31 18:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
Hahahaha this is great, thank you. What a horrible attempt at PR and then just picked apart in the replies, hell even a Cronos CEO comes in and say otherwise... oh the tears! |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1499
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:00:00 -
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I am very demoralized and I feel CRONOS might break apart because the Americans are very right :'(
It makes me so sad to see all these American guys posting and being so very serious, I.. I just.. Nope can't finish, lolsuperseriousthread that even got SoTa mad, lolol <3 glhf guise. |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
661
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:31:00 -
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TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect
===================================================================================================
I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680
Here are the facts
-I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude
-I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene.
-CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war.
The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake.
-They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space.
#IMPeffect
Furthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results.
In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag
I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
168
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Posted - 2013.05.31 22:54:00 -
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Mexico, South America and Canada share the same time zones the US does.....funny how you forgot to mention those roughly 700 million people. |
VEXation Gunn
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
23
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Posted - 2013.05.31 23:02:00 -
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#OperationButtSex |
Ani X
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:47:00 -
[77] - Quote
trollsroyce wrote:When the vast majority of the playerbase creates a coalition to push a minor timezone out of the sandbox and make all districts US timed, there are two things that can happen:
Some fight the coalition for ***** and giggles (CRONOS and Unclaimed.)
US timezone fills the whole PC, making it impossible for anyone else to settle in afterwards.
Now most of dust players are US based. CCP needs to provide the statistics for this, but it is obvious from public server vividity. If CRONOS falls, Dust sandbox will dwindle to US only. When the timers on map are all at early morning to other parts of the world, and the big majority of players are reinforcing those timers, the sandbox would be dead for the rest of the world. Come June 4th, by N-F and EoN pressure, CCP is caving in and releasing timezone swap to district winner instantly. This is a bad move, because it allows the vast majority of players to push everyone else out and set timers, forced by their numbers, into US only for the whole map. This is what happens if CRONOS falls.
Dust514 dies when the sandbox is closed for euro and asia. The chances are slimmer if PC has a good timezone span. CRONOS is holding the last front of timezones outside US in the sandbox. So, either CRONOS survives or Dust dies :)
Pick your side.
Very confused your logic is, young Padawan.
We have dozens of technical and conceptional issues with PCQ battles... the timers are so much of a non-issue.
Greetings from Europe. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.01 19:56:00 -
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"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B |
mrunknown2u2
Ill Omens EoN.
44
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Posted - 2013.06.01 20:06:00 -
[79] - Quote
Gunner Nightingale wrote:TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect =================================================================================================== I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680Here are the facts -I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude -I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene. -CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war. The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake. -They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space. #IMPeffectFurthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results. In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed. this^^
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TYRlON LANNISTER
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2013.06.02 11:48:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:TL;DR: QQ more, #getgudscrub, #IMPeffect =================================================================================================== I normally prefer to stay in the shadows but it gives me such pleasure to know that my feedback along with support of the community would lead to so much QQ. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=842680#post842680Here are the facts -I claimed a while back to Dark Scrub that CRONOS would fall under its own logistical ineptitude -I said that this was not a conflict of regions but of Ideology, of PVP vs Carebears. Simply put Carebears ventured too far outside of highsec and appropriately got ganked. Now they expect Concord to intervene. -CRONOS using its size and early entry into PC took every defensive system they could get their hands on. They then used each others corps to lock on US times while creating a EU buffer on systems that were within acceptable jump range of other systems for corps to use district clone in an effort to force an ISK war. The caveat here was they relied on a mechanic that was merely put into place for the sole purpose of diminishing the Day 1 Land grab and rapid shift of timers to safe regional times. However it was never necessary because in the end any timer could have been taken back and changed upon a successful takeover. Upon bringing this to CCP's attention they realized they never needed to do what they did and simply corrected their mistake. -They then tried to use ORION and STB as a meatshield against US corps most of all Negative-Feedback. As a result we did this to you primary meatshield in our space. #IMPeffectFurthermore your entire premise relies on the notion that a weekend attack can't be mounted to reclaim territory and changed to the timer desired by the attacking corporation, notice how no non-CRONOS corps fear this reality from CRONOS doing the same to them. It's because we don't fear the fight we relish it because in the end we know we can produce results. In fact your entire post displays exactly why you should have never ventured into PC to begin with, it is also further proof why CCP needs to hurry up with PVE already as you are clearly not meant to be in a PVP environment. Carebears such as yourselves and a great deal of your alliance approached a primarily PVP game like the PVEers that you are. Sorry we don't want Farmville 514 though we aren't opposed to you cleaning our districts of drones when the time comes, perhaps that will be more your speed, and hey you wont have to worry about lag I will end my knife twisting with simply saying that in this battle of wits you came to the fight unarmed.
QFT |
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:52:00 -
[81] - Quote
To much effort to wade through the QQ, but what does this mean for Asia timezone (GMT +8) players like me? |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
706
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Posted - 2013.06.03 12:10:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B
That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it? |
Phantomnom
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
579
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:53:00 -
[83] - Quote
Knight SoIaire wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it?
..It actually was. |
Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:00:00 -
[84] - Quote
Knight SoIaire wrote:BASSMEANT wrote:"The US is good at starting things, but not very good at accomplishing them. Yeah... i went there..."
uh... hiroshima.
nuff said.
Peace B That wasn't a very good way of doing things though, was it?
Surely was efficient |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1455
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
Cross-timezone battles will always be broken. When EU is inactive, NA is active and vice versa. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
409
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
CCP needs to open up more constellations so more corps can get in. This has been obvious since day one. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
409
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:28:00 -
[87] - Quote
Kharga Lum wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:What sandbox?
Oh, you mean the litter box in MH?
Meh.
Where's the point to FW for Dust?
We'll have a real sandbox when we can travel around at will and camp Districts and roam freely around in enemy Districts.
I'll agree we have a sandbox then, but not before. It's not a sandbox. It's a tournament. If MH is owned 100% by one corp/alliance would CCP address any of the issues that have been brought up about PC or would it be "working as intended"? Let them take it. I'm curious to see what would happen then. If a district has no anti-ship defenses I should be able to land there, shoot a few things and reinforce it like a POS. Then have a battle for it when it comes out of reinforced. Why do two warring factions need to schedule their war and are limited to the number of soldiers they can bring. It's not war, it's a soccer/football match. Too much structure for it to be sandbox.
Football with a quarterback, might I add. BC we're america and america is #1.
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
621
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:53:00 -
[88] - Quote
All your districts are belong to US.
....and Canada. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Its either, "Make it US only" or.... god forbid "Time Dilation ". And i do not want to play an FPS with freaking time dilation, this game stutters enough as it is. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2159
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
I'm sur someone said it in this thread already, but I feel like saying it again.
You guys had the BRILLIANT idea to make your alliance ALL EU, so you main competition will be US...DERP!
First week of PC, the big bad CRONOS attacked EoN like there was no tomorrow. People were forced to play on bad timers, but the guys in EoN pull together, rang for whoever needed the help, and pull through.
CRONOS bragged all over the forums about having the most districts and that they won PC. Now here we are. CRONOS losing districts, losing the vast majority of battles. Now the excuses come out.
- Lag
- Bad Timers
- Bad PC mechanic cuz they can't shove 1000 players on the battelefield vs 16
Where were these lovely excuses when you guys were bragging? When you guys won a couple games I didn't hear excuses. Now start to beat you, day in and day out, it's LAG!!! Even on your own EU servers...IT'S LAG!!!!
And now this joke of a thread. Yeah let's blame the bad guys EoN and NF for standing up to the blue donut, and cry about PC only being US.
YOU ARE TO BLAME FOR THAT.
What did you expect will happen when there's no EU corps to play against????
Your days are numbered CRONOS, now is not the time for excuses. Man the **** up, and play the game. Farmville is over. |
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