Even though they are fast and fun at first they hardly have any slots or CPU/PG compared to the other suits. Unless I'm missing something I don't see an advantage they have that balances them out in comparison to other classes.

Speed tanking...you don't need a ton of HP if you know how to do that well. You have to be a lot more focused when playing though because simple mistakes result in your death. Works great though once you have it figured out.

Even though they are fast and fun at first they hardly have any slots or CPU/PG compared to the other suits. Unless I'm missing something I don't see an advantage they have that balances them out in comparison to other classes.

Other suits are almost just as fast as scout suits though plus its not as effective if the other guy actually knows what he is doing

Their shields regen super fast - even after being destroyed even without a regulator.

They used to have an even smaller hitbox and faster strafing. That's what made them both harder to hit and fun to use. There was also this feeling that they were going to be the only class that could cloak, but i guess that will be something that everyone can do (except heavies, again...).

I am hoping that the other classes suffer somewhat while cloaking.

We should at least get some form of "bonus" while being cloaked that the other classes won't receive.

Tbh, it would make sense if scouts could still remain cloaked when walking (NOT running!) while all other suits have to drop their cloak when moving.

Another equipment slot would make Scouts very valuable in PC... I wonder if we will ever get that equipment slot back :(

Cloak-sprinting would make for a very tempting racial scout bonus...

Speed tanking...you don't need a ton of HP if you know how to do that well. You have to be a lot more focused when playing though because simple mistakes result in your death. Works great though once you have it figured out.

You don't need a scout to speed tank, a basic light frame suit will do fine. The real question here is why go scout? They are supposed to make up for all the downsides with their incredibly low profile signature, but no one has a good enough scan radius to detect anything past spitting distance anyways.

I like watching people tell Sleepy what scouts are good at.

He definitely has no experience with scouts.

Or sniper rifles

Another equipment slot would make Scouts very valuable in PC... I wonder if we will ever get that equipment slot back :(

right now scouts are better off than heavies in pubs

I don't understand how heavies are so useless.

My alt is a heavy with only about 2 million SP and he is VERY effective in pubs. I have decent plates and the advanced HMG with better range. I also keep a militia forge build for AV and it works very well when someone calls in a dropship or to keep tanks at bay when needed.

I die much less with my heavy and get more kills, but my scout pimps and protects the objectives better with RE.

Even though they are fast and fun at first they hardly have any slots or CPU/PG compared to the other suits. Unless I'm missing something I don't see an advantage they have that balances them out in comparison to other classes.

I came against quite a few proto scouts in a game of domination the other day, unless they're super speed scouts with shotguns who can run rings around you even the proto ones go down easy and I was using a GEK at the time.

Yep, 2 - 3 shots from a Duvolle TAC and I'm dead.

It wouldn't bother me that much if Shotguns weren't so broken.

LOL, you'd never see anyone on a map...EVERYONE would spec into cloaky nova knife scouts. You'd just hear random slash noises without ever seeing anyone :D

@pseudosnipre Then the cloak would need a timer or how would you ever see the scout - look for the shimmer like Predator ?

when cloaking devices come ( big IF), i think they should be only available to scouts, and when u shoot cloaks wears off, same as sprinting and jumping and getting shot, flux nades could deactivate them, the faster u move the more visible u are, being crouched and still makes u nearly invisible close range and walking is much easier to see, and maybe special aims in certain weapons that can see through the cloaks, that way it exists balance in some lvl, and i hope some day we scouts could get silenced weapons

In summary,
proto Scout with shotgun needs 3 hits from a SG to kill a proto anything else
proto anything else needs 3 hits from an AR to kill proto scout

which do you think is easier?

Considering there is actual video evidence of some of the best players in the game (Imps) struggling to land those 3 shots on said scout, despite 3-4 players opening fire on them, I am not sure its as clear cut as you make it out to be :)

I just specced out of Scout. I loved it, its a lot of fun to play. I never did get into shotties with it though, because there is a certan reliance on luck/bad hit detection/bad aim, to be successful as one. I dont remotely understand how the best shotgun scouts do their thing, but trying to do the same felt like a crap shoot. Sometimes, nobody can hit you and you dance for hours, sometimes you get gunned down in an instant.

Ill have to watch that vid again, but Annie Oakley and Calamity Jane were using logis?

In which case, all their movements were sprint? If so, not sure I can replicate sprinting at the angles they do on the DS3...For my own ego, I hope they use KB/M.

Considering there is actual video evidence of some of the best players in the game (Imps) struggling to land those 3 shots on said scout, despite 3-4 players opening fire on them, I am not sure its as clear cut as you make it out to be :)

I just specced out of Scout. I loved it, its a lot of fun to play. I never did get into shotties with it though, because there is a certan reliance on luck/bad hit detection/bad aim, to be successful as one. I dont remotely understand how the best shotgun scouts do their thing, but trying to do the same felt like a crap shoot. Sometimes, nobody can hit you and you dance for hours, sometimes you get gunned down in an instant.

^^ QFT

Battles with AR users are just stupid. My advanced shotgun takes at least 2 shots to kill, that's if I get them perfect (unless they are standing still in advanced or less suits, which NEVER happens with a good player). And with proto suits im generally needing to dance every single shot from a person who is just backpedling spraying an AR so that they don't hit me with 3 shots, while I try to get MY 3 shots to land with 100% accuracy.

In summary,
proto Scout with shotgun needs 3 hits from a SG to kill a proto anything else
proto anything else needs 3 hits from an AR to kill proto scout

which do you think is easier?

The only reason to spec scout is for the nova knife damage bonus. That's literally it.

People like to bring up flanking and the speed bonuses, but medium frames can do those things practically just as well, with more HP, CPU, PG, and slots.

^ what he said

They also get a 10% P damp bonus on top of that KN AND Melee bonus of 25% at LV 5. I have M scout LV5 + P Damp Lv 5. I don't even have to use dampeners and no one ever knows where I am. It's pretty sweet. Now if only the darn knives worked 100% An dI wish the controls weren't so sluggish it was viable to throw punches along with knife slashes... but i have to break out the sports section while I wait for the transition to happen. if it even does

Did you know that the effect scan range is 10m for all suits. That means you aren't being picked up by passive scans unless your in 10m, and dampening doesn't stop you from being put on radar from being SEEN and tagged. It might have a decrease in time that you are tagged but this is unclear. So effectively you're spending a ton of Suit space and SP to stay hidden for 10m from your target when they don't see you. Seems like a waste to me.

Did you know that the effect scan range is 10m for all suits. That means you aren't being picked up by passive scans unless your in 10m, and dampening doesn't stop you from being put on radar from being SEEN and tagged. It might have a decrease in time that you are tagged but this is unclear. So effectively you're spending a ton of Suit space and SP to stay hidden for 10m from your target when they don't see you. Seems like a waste to me.

I think they are okay when you compare standard. In the advanced twirl they start to fall off a little but there proto oh boy that thing just sucks. I mean it to it is by far the worst suit in the game and the heavy is pretty bad right now.


They need some love but, like I have said before given where.the game is right now scouts are better off than heavies in pub s but are absolutely useless in PC. The game is just designed to be a logi/assault game right now though.

I for one would like to at least and I mean at least have double scan radius for the suits not passive but built in. That would be a great start. There are a few more things we could do but that's good at first.

The reason I like playing a knifer scout... I don't need to worry about ammo, and as a minnie scout I don't need to worry about my armor. That's two things everyone else has to contend with. But the best is how much more fun the game is. I have to use tactics no one else uses. I know it is a legit role in the game, but dudes who run with Caldari logis and Duv TARs basically are saying hey- I need every edge I can get. I know it. You know it. So when I kill one with my knives it's pure ownage. Killing a heavy proto bear is very satisfying too. I have tons of heavy armor parts on display in my Merc Quarters. And they all look like a velociraptor went to town on them :D I used to run a proto min assault with a tac.. yea. it was easy to kill people, but really took no tactics. so that's why.

The limited slots kind of suck, and the limited CPU/PG is lame, but I can work with it. I really think a proto minnie should have a 3rd low slot. I couldn't believe a caldari logi has 5h and 4l.. but the proto minnie has 3H and 2L. Pretty weird of CCP.. I wonder how they tested that out

And the reason I die the most as a scout is due to getting stuck on terrain or objects. It instantly removes all the edge you have a s a scout and may as well be little hidden webifier mines.

There movements HAVE to be sprint. The scout only has a marginally faster movement base than the normal suits and a good player can Easily track a .6-.9 increase in speed especially since it's pretty easy to track normal sprinting assaults which is much faster than a scout base. But I bet calamity twins are triple stacking complex kinetics to get a sprint speed of about 10m/s which would make them extremely deadly and the more than double extra shield HP makes them worlds more deadly than any scout.

That's why logis are broken and scouts are rubbish.

Hey played you the other day! You were blasting me with that shotgun of yours, good game though.

Did you know that the effect scan range is 10m for all suits. That means you aren't being picked up by passive scans unless your in 10m, and dampening doesn't stop you from being put on radar from being SEEN and tagged. It might have a decrease in time that you are tagged but this is unclear. So effectively you're spending a ton of Suit space and SP to stay hidden for 10m from your target when they don't see you. Seems like a waste to me.

Maybe the Minmatar assault can get close enough in speed...but to really speed tank you want speeds of 10m/s+, which only a scout can achieve.

If you pick your fights, tanks are almost irrelevant on scouts.

Also, how can you not fall in love with scouts after knifing a heavy while he desperately tries to hit you without success?

Hey played you the other day! You were blasting me with that shotgun of yours, good game though.

does anyone believes that the proto gallente light should had 2 high powered modules and 3 low instead of 1 and 4?, i mean the lvl 3 has 2 and 2 and the proto has 1 and 4?, man the OCD inside me is going crazy, also scouts are to easy to see in the battefield, i mean u can see him running from one side of the map, of course skill plays a lot on that

I was actually just thinking this today. I am waiting to skill into any scout suits until I see the Amarr and Caldari suit stats. I actually think that the 2H / 3L layout would fit my playstyle ideally.

The 1/4 of the Gallente is a bit of a letdown. I mean having to choose between a profile analyzer, damage mod or a shield mod in the high slot isn't really much of a choice..... additionally, it brings up a question on what the Caldari slot layout will be, they are often the converse of the Gallente, so would their layout be 4H / 1L? Wow, talk about fitting challenges.

I would have gone 4H/1L minmitar (similar to their Medium suit which has an overabundance on the high slots), 3H/2L Caldari, 2H/3L Gallente and Amarr....? Not sure. 1H / 4L, or maybe another 2/3? 2/2 w/ 2 EQ slots?

Gallente is made for sniping. 4 low give you 4 modules for profile dampening or other sniping mods. High module isnt used for much but damage as a sniper pretty sure. You should need shields as a sniper, well, thats the logic.

Unless there is a module or skill that increases base movement speed a scout wouldn't be able to achieve that. And I did fall in love with the scout but it broke my heart