Me is gunning down Proto heavies with standard HMGs

I would venture a guess that exactly all the people complaining now would complain.

I just don't get why they have the option of heavy armor if it doesn't take more than one guy to kill a heavy. It's not like bomb squads use those giant bomb resistant suits and end up getting blown to bits because it wasn't actually bomb resistant.

Do you really think that would prevent an old non-nuclear missile warhead from killing the person wearing the suit?

Heavies can be repped as they sponge small arms fire. Guardian +35 WP

The explanation for the suit leads you to believe they can do it by themselves. I didn't write the description.

like most things in this game it depends on the user

there are some heavy's that are unstoppable and some i can easily take down with a scram rifle

Same with tanks, there are some militia tanks with enough buffer and sense to move out the way that i cant kill with proto AV grenades where there are some advanced tanks that are mostly gank and sit there and expect to kill everything by sitting 2 foot away from and letting me set up camp with a nano hive while i spam nade after nade

The heavies are perfect at the moment. No need for CCP to touch them OP just want to be super heavy lol. Last night my corp mates and i ran into a proto heavy this dude was just mowing us down while he just ate our bullets for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

End of game he went 25-5 so again what's wrong with the heavies??

The heavies are perfect at the moment. No need for CCP to touch them OP just want to be super heavy lol. Last night my corp mates and i ran into a proto heavy this dude was just mowing us down while he just ate our bullets for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

End of game he went 25-5 so again what's wrong with the heavies??

Pub stomping heavies that can murder everyone is easy, Corp match heavies on defense is easy. The problem I saw was just flexibility. To allow a heavy to choose Range + Damage vs Full Tank. The OP just wants heavies to ROFLstomp people.

The only complaint I ever have about heavies is range. In a close range enviroment they murder everyone, at mid range it starts to get iffy and longer ranges, you just hide behind boxes to shoot people when they get in close.

It is not supposed to be an extremely flexible role. It has a specific range for a reason.

When the heavy has the capability to have a substantially higher amount of combined shield and armor than a medium suit, that may be the day the heavy and the medium suit balanced. HMG have horrible range so the heavy needs this armor to survive in planetary conquest since it won't be dishing out any dmg to highly shield/armored or dmg modded medium suits. I like the idea of one previous thread to allow the heavy have a very nice small arms dmg resistance passive skill.

How any heavy performs in public matches is irrelevant to how it performs in Planetary conquest. It doesn't matter in pub matches. It only matters in Planetary conquest where the competition calls for the heavy suit to be able to defend against medium suits with 1k shield/armor or that run high dmg mods.

Yeah, I do, at least from shrapnel. Otherwise why have them?

Heavies: How come we die to a single clip with no hard counters to our ****** range or anything to add to our survivability?

AR user: Because I'll cry.

Heavies: But the description describes an anti-infantry tank that can stand toe-to-toe with vehicles!

AR user: so what, balance would be broken!

Heavies: but.. it's in our description... isn't that false advertising?

AR User: What part of, "Balance would be broken" don't you get? Everyone would be a heavy!

Heavies: You mean in PC everyone would be slow with no equipment slots? I thought speed in battle was important, how does it effect balance? Wouldn't it only really hurt pubs and people in PC who think rushing a heavy is a good idea?

AR user : STFU WITH YER LOGIC SON.


CCP - you falsely advertise our class to be what it's not. You're bad and should feel bad.

The set up I've noticed lately is a logi healing the heavy with an AR user by thier side. The heavies are perfect for what they do.

no it wont. it will still kill the guy no problem the only reason the suit is there is to keep the body intact and able to be claimed.

oh - so because you 'noticed' something it must be fine?

And better yet - we must have that logi or accept we're, "Not doing it right." But a logi doesn't need the heavy to be, "Doing it right." So doesn't that sort of leave us ... screwed?

What part of logic do you fear? :3

No what you want is to be a super clone running around, well walking around. If the current set up for you being a heavy is not up to par switch class, or yet adapt or die choice is yours.

Cool - now explain to me how a heavy can adapt. I'll wait.

By taking notes from that heavy from KEQ asking how he went 25-5.

So you can't explain? Awesome. Stay out of threads you know nothing about and let that, "25-5" heavy do the speaking. Mmmk?

and lol @ pub stomping proving anything.

So you can't explain? Awesome. Stay out of threads you know nothing about and let that, "25-5" heavy do the speaking. Mmmk?

and lol @ pub stomping proving anything.

So you can't explain? Awesome. Stay out of threads you know nothing about and let that, "25-5" heavy do the speaking. Mmmk?

and lol @ pub stomping proving anything.

Lol i see plenty of known corps playing ur so called pub matches. Get off your high horse this game is full of beta players lol. Take a look at the player counts i never face ur so called pub matches. Like i said heavies are fine stop trying to look for a super advantage over other players again adapt or die.

Lol i see plenty of known corps playing ur so called pub matches. Get off your high horse this game is full of beta players lol. Take a look at the player counts i never face ur so called pub matches. Like i said heavies are fine stop trying to look for a super advantage over other players again adapt or die.

The heavies are perfect at the moment. No need for CCP to touch them OP just want to be super heavy lol. Last night my corp mates and i ran into a proto heavy this dude was just mowing us down while he just ate our bullets for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

End of game he went 25-5 so again what's wrong with the heavies??

So now your advocating Pubs being an elite form of competition? Wow - you're desperate to stay relevant.

How much further are you going to insult yourself here? Lol - "Pubs are the real deal!" You must be pretty bad to believe that.

Again - bring that heavy you speak of or explain how a heavy can 'adapt' or stay out of threads you know nothing about.

And FYI - I've gone 30-2 several times in pubs. Lol

HMG just needs 15m more range. Damage is fine. Bigger bullets go farther. Just a fact. So an AR shouldn't out range me.

Muahahaha that may have been me, were you trying to take objective C?

However while it performed here there is no reason heavies shouldn't get more low slots. Every other suit jumps 3or more slots to include euipment slots we don't get. Prime example is the logo atm. Max skills I hover around 1500 ehp. A logo can get to almost 1100 and they start at base who around 300 while I start at 800 something fundamentally flawed about that.


HMG just needs 15m more range. Damage is fine. Bigger bullets go farther. Just a fact. So an AR shouldn't out range me.

This game is full same old beta players where are these pubs???? Lmao heavies are fine dude in PC or your so called pub matches. I forget the name of the heavy from KEQ, again props to that dude he was a beast.

Muahahaha that may have been me, were you trying to take objective C?

However while it performed here there is no reason heavies shouldn't get more low slots. Every other suit jumps 3or more slots to include euipment slots we don't get. Prime example is the logo atm. Max skills I hover around 1500 ehp. A logo can get to almost 1100 and they start at base who around 300 while I start at 800 something fundamentally flawed about that.


HMG just needs 15m more range. Damage is fine. Bigger bullets go farther. Just a fact. So an AR shouldn't out range me.

This game is full same old beta players where are these pubs???? Lmao heavies are fine dude in PC or your so called pub matches. I forget the name of the heavy from KEQ, again props to that dude he was a beast.

I Agree the heavies should get more slots.

May I ask how much SP you got and what class you play?

Heavies: How come we die to a single clip with no hard counters to our ****** range or anything to add to our survivability?

AR user: Because I'll cry.

Heavies: But the description describes an anti-infantry tank that can stand toe-to-toe with vehicles!

AR user: so what, balance would be broken!

Heavies: but.. it's in our description... isn't that false advertising?

AR User: What part of, "Balance would be broken" don't you get? Everyone would be a heavy!

Heavies: You mean in PC everyone would be slow with no equipment slots? I thought speed in battle was important, how does it effect balance? Wouldn't it only really hurt pubs and people in PC who think rushing a heavy is a good idea?

AR user : STFU WITH YER LOGIC SON.


CCP - you falsely advertise our class to be what it's not. You're bad and should feel bad.

More slots and at least the same range as AR's with the current amount of bullet spread, or a little more to force using bursts. So at distance you're not hosing them down with bullets but you're still able to make them think twice about going that way. No buff to speed.

Honestly, Heavy suits are fine in the current build. We just need the other races.

HMG is still a tad underwhelming, but has its teeth back in CQC.

TACs are the weapon currently out of balance. Fix 'em and HMG Heavies will fine the way they are.

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So the fact that the medium suits can have 1k total armor/shield which makes them a certifiable heavy is irrelevant? The fact that medium suits can stack enough dmg mods to destroy a heavy with only a third to half of a magazine on a full auto AR before they even get into the range of our supposedly great HMG is balanced?

The TAC is not the issue. The TAC is OP to everyone, not just the heavy.

those boundless hmg dont seem underpower at all....

don't touch the damn HMG it's in a good spot right now.

Stopped reading here.

I guess you're one of the HMG users that thinks we ought to be able to gun down without the need to be close. FYI the HMG is a close quarters weapon learn to flank and use cover to do so.

Learn to flank? As a heavy? even more reason to not listen to you.

And yes - I'm one of those who think the AR out ranging the HMG to this degree is total BS. Especially with no hard counters AT ALL.

Only scrub heavies who are too used to pub stomping think otherwise.

I support a range increase but it should come with increased dispersion

Learn to flank? As a heavy? even more reason to not listen to you.

And yes - I'm one of those who think the AR out ranging the HMG to this degree is total BS. Especially with no hard counters AT ALL.

Only scrub heavies who are too used to pub stomping think otherwise.

Getting back to the point the reason we need extra HP is because doing our role as point defense it's a little hard when you have AR users that get close and start dancing around with almost as much HP as a heavy.

If the Heavy's designated role isn't "fun", then maybe CCP shouldn't have created such a ****** role in the first place. People play games to feel empowered, not to turn to drug abuse because they got bored guarding point B out in the middle of Bumfuck Tennessee: Population 15.

Look, it's a pretty simple solution. Keep the Heavy slow, juice up his armor health values, increase his HMG range substantially, and noticeably increase the cost of the suit itself.

We got into heavies because we wanted to be more effective in a direct engagement, not because we wanted to be "balanced". The only appropriate way you CAN balance this out is to make the loadout more expensive.

And not to turn this into a three-way verbal battle, but what is this 1k HP AR fit? It either isn't using a TAC, isn't dancing much because of complex plates, or it's Caldari Logi ck.0 which is a whole different issue. (And just needs softening with a Flux Grenade, at any rate.)

On a different note, I can understand the argument that the best way to play Heavy in PC isn't fun, but that isn't to say it isn't effective. Heavy is only truly fun with a Segway/Murder Taxi or in a well organized group.

Do you guys see me in Scout/Logi/Assault threads saying how your class should be? No. It's not my business. So stay the **** out of ours. I haven't been playing a heavy since June of last year so a bunch of scrubs can tell me how my class is.

I've been dedicated heavy since August of last year. But I try to minimize my whining and stick to facts and numbers as much as I can.

The rest of your post is flaming about a broken TAR and CCP being incompetent. A broken TAR does not mean "The HMG is broken and the Heavy Suit is trash."

I'd agree with you 100% if you said Heavies are shafted in the content department, but saying that HMG and Heavy are broken because something else in the game is blatantly overpowered just fails a logic check.

The suit itself has 8% more base HP than Chromosome, and the HMG has 0.4 more damage and 4-5m less base range, depending on the tier. That doesn't spell broken.

Stack it next to anything but TARs, and the HMG does fine. Restore the 4-5m range and it's good again. Without it, it's fine.

How about you learn to read? I was comparing peoples belief that CCP saying something doesn't mean **** since they can't do anything right without a year worth of data that STILL helps them break this game.

If you read this thread at all - people are telling us what CCP has in mind for us. Please, if you're a heavy, at least try to keep up.

I read it all and kept up just fine. I just thought it was a gross exaggeration saying the suit and weapon were broken when the balance is truly screwed up elsewhere.

I'm with you as far as the "I'll believe when I see it" approach of CCP having content in store for us. I think that more than anything is how Heavy is getting the shaft currently. SOONGäó gets old pretty quick...

try doing it with militia HMGs in militia suits....like i am. then ill b impressed

As another heavy who play his class since August last year. I believe I'm qualified to say something in this thread. HMG is fine. No need to mess with it. There, I said it. Heavies's arsenal, however, is not.

In order to make a heavy less boring and more useful outside 25% of entire map (which I gotta say, said area can contain up to 3 objectives, quite an important area if you ask me), we simply need more option in our load out. We need variety of tools to deal with various situations. Not the one gun to rule them all. That would just turn HMG into another TAR. The cycle will never stop. The answer to this problem does not lie in messing with HMG, no amount of balancing will fix it. We simply need more content to make us a proper class.

The heavy suit itself is also fine IMHO. Some people speak like an assault can buffer nearly1000 EHP and can still stack 4 dmg mods at the same time. They can't. We can also stack 1500+ HP if we want to. 50% more HP is quite reasonable if you ask me. I know it's not practical at the moment. Not with armor plates. And not with Amarr suit. Again, we need more content. More suits.

Also, the advantage heavy suit give us is not merely a larger HP pool. It's an ability to wield HEAVY WEAPON. This should be the highlight of this suit. Regrettably, We only have two of them and both are situational weapon. Give an assault only shotgun and swarm launcher, and they will be as broken as heavies are now (Playable but situational). Content, content, more content please.

TL;DR : HMG is fine. Heavy is fine. Dust514 is not.