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Posted - 2013.05.29 17:26:00 -
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Honestly, Heavy suits are fine in the current build. We just need the other races.
HMG is still a tad underwhelming, but has its teeth back in CQC.
TACs are the weapon currently out of balance. Fix 'em and HMG Heavies will fine the way they are.
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:36:00 -
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Chinduko wrote:
So the fact that the medium suits can have 1k total armor/shield which makes them a certifiable heavy is irrelevant? The fact that medium suits can stack enough dmg mods to destroy a heavy with only a third to half of a magazine on a full auto AR before they even get into the range of our supposedly great HMG is balanced?
Please share your 1000+ HP assault fits. (Or is it a Caldari Logi ck.0?)
But in short, yes. Anything tanking that much is sacrificing much to do it, is likely shield heavy, and dies quickly after a flux grenade. You can equip 1500+ HP if you like.
Damage mods have a stacking penalty and using many of them makes a suit very squishy. You can use damage mods too.
The heavy suit itself, HP and slot-wise, is fine. What it really needs are racial variants and a heavy weapon that actually makes sense with the lolwut Amarr Sentinel bonus.
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The TAC is not the issue. The TAC is OP to everyone, not just the heavy.
What weapon beats an HMG Heavy under most conditions but a TAC? Not the shotgun, scrambler rifle, nova knives, sniper rifle, plasma canon, SMG, flaylock, scram pistol, laser rifle or forge gun. Maybe a mass driver in expert hands.
I'm not saying the HMG is amazing. It's still a bit underpowered. But it is not broken and it still murders in close range.
I will admit I think the "BULLETS DISAPPEARING IS STUPID" is a valid argument. Gun game should be balanced around kick, dispersion, DPS, and the physical shape of ADS on screen for aiming. Maximum range is dumb.
But the game is the game, and under the current mechanics, only the TAC is well outside the bounds of balance as far as infantry weapons go. The rest could use tweaking at best.
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Disturbingly Bored
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Posted - 2013.05.30 01:31:00 -
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Jal R wrote:Getting back to the point the reason we need extra HP is because doing our role as point defense it's a little hard when you have AR users that get close and start dancing around with almost as much HP as a heavy.
And not to turn this into a three-way verbal battle, but what is this 1k HP AR fit? It either isn't using a TAC, isn't dancing much because of complex plates, or it's Caldari Logi ck.0 which is a whole different issue. (And just needs softening with a Flux Grenade, at any rate.)
On a different note, I can understand the argument that the best way to play Heavy in PC isn't fun, but that isn't to say it isn't effective. Heavy is only truly fun with a Segway/Murder Taxi or in a well organized group. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 02:21:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If the Heavy's designated role isn't "fun", then maybe CCP shouldn't have created such a ****** role in the first place. People play games to feel empowered, not to turn to drug abuse because they got bored guarding point B out in the middle of Bumfuck Tennessee: Population 15.
You can still feel plenty empowered pubstomping with a Heavy on a Segway. It's beastly fun. But if you're going to whine because your corp CEO tells you to suck it up and hold point B so your corporation doesn't lose its plot of dirt a planet, you specced into the wrong suit.
It isn't sexy, but it works and works well.
Quote:Look, it's a pretty simple solution. Keep the Heavy slow, juice up his armor health values, increase his HMG range substantially, and noticeably increase the cost of the suit itself.
So...make it the same it was in Chromosome, but with more HP. I can see the QQ Threadnauts already.
Quote:We got into heavies because we wanted to be more effective in a direct engagement, not because we wanted to be "balanced". The only appropriate way you CAN balance this out is to make the loadout more expensive.
You cannot balance this game around ISK. CCP tried last built with Heavy, and they've tried numerous times with EVE, and it always fails.
Why? Because ISK doesn't matter if you're good or if you're rich. It certainly doesn't matter when most veteran DUST players have 200 mil ISK sitting in their wallets now. Tanks are not balanced around ISK at all, a simple look at the numerous tweaks, nerfs and buffs over the last couple months will confirm that.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:09:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:Do you guys see me in Scout/Logi/Assault threads saying how your class should be? No. It's not my business. So stay the **** out of ours. I haven't been playing a heavy since June of last year so a bunch of scrubs can tell me how my class is.
I've been dedicated heavy since August of last year. But I try to minimize my whining and stick to facts and numbers as much as I can.
The rest of your post is flaming about a broken TAR and CCP being incompetent. A broken TAR does not mean "The HMG is broken and the Heavy Suit is trash."
I'd agree with you 100% if you said Heavies are shafted in the content department, but saying that HMG and Heavy are broken because something else in the game is blatantly overpowered just fails a logic check.
The suit itself has 8% more base HP than Chromosome, and the HMG has 0.4 more damage and 4-5m less base range, depending on the tier. That doesn't spell broken.
Stack it next to anything but TARs, and the HMG does fine. Restore the 4-5m range and it's good again. Without it, it's fine. |
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Posted - 2013.05.30 04:20:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:How about you learn to read? I was comparing peoples belief that CCP saying something doesn't mean **** since they can't do anything right without a year worth of data that STILL helps them break this game.
If you read this thread at all - people are telling us what CCP has in mind for us. Please, if you're a heavy, at least try to keep up.
I read it all and kept up just fine. I just thought it was a gross exaggeration saying the suit and weapon were broken when the balance is truly screwed up elsewhere.
I'm with you as far as the "I'll believe when I see it" approach of CCP having content in store for us. I think that more than anything is how Heavy is getting the shaft currently. SOONGäó gets old pretty quick... |
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