don't touch the damn HMG it's in a good spot right now.

Stopped reading here.

I guess you're one of the HMG users that thinks we ought to be able to gun down without the need to be close. FYI the HMG is a close quarters weapon learn to flank and use cover to do so.

Learn to flank? As a heavy? even more reason to not listen to you.

And yes - I'm one of those who think the AR out ranging the HMG to this degree is total BS. Especially with no hard counters AT ALL.

Only scrub heavies who are too used to pub stomping think otherwise.

I support a range increase but it should come with increased dispersion

Learn to flank? As a heavy? even more reason to not listen to you.

And yes - I'm one of those who think the AR out ranging the HMG to this degree is total BS. Especially with no hard counters AT ALL.

Only scrub heavies who are too used to pub stomping think otherwise.

Getting back to the point the reason we need extra HP is because doing our role as point defense it's a little hard when you have AR users that get close and start dancing around with almost as much HP as a heavy.

If the Heavy's designated role isn't "fun", then maybe CCP shouldn't have created such a ****** role in the first place. People play games to feel empowered, not to turn to drug abuse because they got bored guarding point B out in the middle of Bumfuck Tennessee: Population 15.

Look, it's a pretty simple solution. Keep the Heavy slow, juice up his armor health values, increase his HMG range substantially, and noticeably increase the cost of the suit itself.

We got into heavies because we wanted to be more effective in a direct engagement, not because we wanted to be "balanced". The only appropriate way you CAN balance this out is to make the loadout more expensive.

And not to turn this into a three-way verbal battle, but what is this 1k HP AR fit? It either isn't using a TAC, isn't dancing much because of complex plates, or it's Caldari Logi ck.0 which is a whole different issue. (And just needs softening with a Flux Grenade, at any rate.)

On a different note, I can understand the argument that the best way to play Heavy in PC isn't fun, but that isn't to say it isn't effective. Heavy is only truly fun with a Segway/Murder Taxi or in a well organized group.

Do you guys see me in Scout/Logi/Assault threads saying how your class should be? No. It's not my business. So stay the **** out of ours. I haven't been playing a heavy since June of last year so a bunch of scrubs can tell me how my class is.

I've been dedicated heavy since August of last year. But I try to minimize my whining and stick to facts and numbers as much as I can.

The rest of your post is flaming about a broken TAR and CCP being incompetent. A broken TAR does not mean "The HMG is broken and the Heavy Suit is trash."

I'd agree with you 100% if you said Heavies are shafted in the content department, but saying that HMG and Heavy are broken because something else in the game is blatantly overpowered just fails a logic check.

The suit itself has 8% more base HP than Chromosome, and the HMG has 0.4 more damage and 4-5m less base range, depending on the tier. That doesn't spell broken.

Stack it next to anything but TARs, and the HMG does fine. Restore the 4-5m range and it's good again. Without it, it's fine.

How about you learn to read? I was comparing peoples belief that CCP saying something doesn't mean **** since they can't do anything right without a year worth of data that STILL helps them break this game.

If you read this thread at all - people are telling us what CCP has in mind for us. Please, if you're a heavy, at least try to keep up.

I read it all and kept up just fine. I just thought it was a gross exaggeration saying the suit and weapon were broken when the balance is truly screwed up elsewhere.

I'm with you as far as the "I'll believe when I see it" approach of CCP having content in store for us. I think that more than anything is how Heavy is getting the shaft currently. SOONGäó gets old pretty quick...

try doing it with militia HMGs in militia suits....like i am. then ill b impressed

As another heavy who play his class since August last year. I believe I'm qualified to say something in this thread. HMG is fine. No need to mess with it. There, I said it. Heavies's arsenal, however, is not.

In order to make a heavy less boring and more useful outside 25% of entire map (which I gotta say, said area can contain up to 3 objectives, quite an important area if you ask me), we simply need more option in our load out. We need variety of tools to deal with various situations. Not the one gun to rule them all. That would just turn HMG into another TAR. The cycle will never stop. The answer to this problem does not lie in messing with HMG, no amount of balancing will fix it. We simply need more content to make us a proper class.

The heavy suit itself is also fine IMHO. Some people speak like an assault can buffer nearly1000 EHP and can still stack 4 dmg mods at the same time. They can't. We can also stack 1500+ HP if we want to. 50% more HP is quite reasonable if you ask me. I know it's not practical at the moment. Not with armor plates. And not with Amarr suit. Again, we need more content. More suits.

Also, the advantage heavy suit give us is not merely a larger HP pool. It's an ability to wield HEAVY WEAPON. This should be the highlight of this suit. Regrettably, We only have two of them and both are situational weapon. Give an assault only shotgun and swarm launcher, and they will be as broken as heavies are now (Playable but situational). Content, content, more content please.

TL;DR : HMG is fine. Heavy is fine. Dust514 is not.