Do you run with coordinated squads? Not saying that will completely solve your issues, but it will def help a lot. Currently, the only MM system is for extremely new persons, in the Battle Academy. After that, you're in with the rest of us. Make some friends, and you will see yourself rise to the top again.

I think your confusion is stemming from the lack of matchmaking.

Exactly. I read the OP and thought "wait. he thinks there's matchmaking. lol". There is no matchmaking currently. We have an academy which dumps you into the real world with a basic understanding of the match types and a standard level suit with maybe an advanced weapon. Not sure how you got to a GLU TAC while still in academy.

Right now if you want to win you need to get with a group and stop trying to go it alone.

So that's the Academy. I guessed that was for very new players because I was really able to own anyone there lol. But once out of there, I just get destroyed. Well then, let's say DUST needs some sort of Matchmaking criteria...

Thanks for your tip. I'll try to find people to team up.

Like it or not fanbois he speaks for a majority of the population.

Take your proto goggles off and look around.

It is really a shame proto stomping seems to be the funnest thing to do for the EveTards.

You seem to be coming from the Call of Halo school of lack-of-thought.

The fact is, this is not Call of Duty. This is not Halo. This is not even Battlefield, though that's the closest in overall gameplay feel. This is very much a tactical, squad-based shooter.

If you lone wolf, you will die. If you run-and-gun, you will die. If you neglect your skills in favour of immediately unlocking Gun X, you will die. And if you neglect your loadouts in favour of pure gank and no mind to tank (be it armour, shield, or speed), YOU WILL DIE.

I have yet to use a single piece of BPC gear in the game (and I'm from the first wave of closed beta invites), and I have no problem holding my own... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. I regularly hit 1-2k warpoints per match... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. And when I say a squad, I don't mean randoms doing their own thing and no comms, I mean a squad that's working together, using voice to coordinate, calling out targets, and marking objectives (this even gives extra points! If your SC isn't marking objectives, leave the squad, you're LOSING POINTS!).

We don't really need matchmaking, what we need is some way of teaching people earlier that this is NOT the console shooter they're used to. This is the shooter skilled PC gamers have been playing for decades. If you don't adapt to this concept, YOU. WILL. DIE.

You seem to be coming from the Call of Halo school of lack-of-thought.

The fact is, this is not Call of Duty. This is not Halo. This is not even Battlefield, though that's the closest in overall gameplay feel. This is very much a tactical, squad-based shooter.

If you lone wolf, you will die. If you run-and-gun, you will die. If you neglect your skills in favour of immediately unlocking Gun X, you will die. And if you neglect your loadouts in favour of pure gank and no mind to tank (be it armour, shield, or speed), YOU WILL DIE.

I have yet to use a single piece of BPC gear in the game (and I'm from the first wave of closed beta invites), and I have no problem holding my own... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. I regularly hit 1-2k warpoints per match... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. And when I say a squad, I don't mean randoms doing their own thing and no comms, I mean a squad that's working together, using voice to coordinate, calling out targets, and marking objectives (this even gives extra points! If your SC isn't marking objectives, leave the squad, you're LOSING POINTS!).

We don't really need matchmaking, what we need is some way of teaching people earlier that this is NOT the console shooter they're used to. This is the shooter skilled PC gamers have been playing for decades. If you don't adapt to this concept, YOU. WILL. DIE.

That explains a lot.
I just purchased the right skills to use the GLU, I was able to use it in my second match

I'd say it NEEDS a matchmaking then...

So the op was owning in the minor leagues and got stepped to the majors and know is getting owned.? Welcme to New Eden!!!! They're are plenty of places to get help.

Ok you need to shut your face. the Op doesn't need the training grounds, they allready know what they are doing. Why will people defend dust/eve to it's death? the same thing happen in eve online, they listened to the players foe 3 years and we got NOTHING. Becuase everyone is so quick to defend a broken mecanhics as "classic" or "WELCOME TO NEW EDEN"

I've been here for 8 years I love CCP more than most, but to defend the matchmaking system as a great well designed feature? ARE YOU FLDSFKHASLDKHASLDKH DAFT?????????

You seem to be coming from the Call of Halo school of lack-of-thought.

The fact is, this is not Call of Duty. This is not Halo. This is not even Battlefield, though that's the closest in overall gameplay feel. This is very much a tactical, squad-based shooter.

If you lone wolf, you will die. If you run-and-gun, you will die. If you neglect your skills in favour of immediately unlocking Gun X, you will die. And if you neglect your loadouts in favour of pure gank and no mind to tank (be it armour, shield, or speed), YOU WILL DIE.

I have yet to use a single piece of BPC gear in the game (and I'm from the first wave of closed beta invites), and I have no problem holding my own... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. I regularly hit 1-2k warpoints per match... WHEN I'M IN A SQUAD. And when I say a squad, I don't mean randoms doing their own thing and no comms, I mean a squad that's working together, using voice to coordinate, calling out targets, and marking objectives (this even gives extra points! If your SC isn't marking objectives, leave the squad, you're LOSING POINTS!).

We don't really need matchmaking, what we need is some way of teaching people earlier that this is NOT the console shooter they're used to. This is the shooter skilled PC gamers have been playing for decades. If you don't adapt to this concept, YOU. WILL. DIE.

Ok you need to shut your face. the Op doesn't need the training grounds, they already know what they are doing. Why will people defend dust/eve to it's death? The same thing happen in eve online, they didn't listen to the players foe 3 years and we got NOTHING on the fixes front. Because everyone is so quick to defend a broken mechanic as "classic" or "WELCOME TO NEW EDEN"

I've been here for 8 years, I love CCP more than most, but to defend the matchmaking system as a great well designed feature? ARE YOU FLDSFKHASLDKHASLDKH DAFT?????????

I've got a good idea lets take starcraft two and make gold players player grand master!

Matchmaking is indeed bad.

Aside from one FW battle, every battle I was in today was one side or the other getting their ass handed to them. Only the FW one was a close fight.

WP won't work for a number of reasons. First and foremost the fact that you can idle your way to prototype gear.
Using total SP would make for a much better temporary fix until a more elegant solution can be put into place but would serve to divide what already isn't a very large player base much further than it should.

You can gain SP passively, not even involved in the game, granted this means one is capable of using better gear but doesn't necessarily mean they have the experience. WP is gain actually playing the game.

Cleared some of the silly posts. Please guy, keep the conversation civilized.

Ignore, wrong thread

so we have all waded in with our suggestions.

but why hasnt some one from CCP told any one that they cant do any of this because the player base is too small atm .

Hi everyone.

My purpose here is not to complain, I just think this game has a lot of potential but it's currently just too unbalanced and frustrating and I believe this CAN be solved if the developers do something about it, so I'm here to share my experience.

Before you say "Hey, you're just a newbie, you gotta get some experience and better equipment", let me explain the whole thing.

Yes, I'm a fresh DUST player. But I'm an "aged", "hardcore" (if you want to call me that way...), I'm very experienced with almost any kind of game and expecially TPS and FPS. I have "trained" reflexes but most important I play clever.

So let's try DUST 514, I'm curious! I start as an assaulter. I fall in love with the tactical GLU rifle and I quickly get to 150 kills and a KDR of 3.50 in a few games, doing very good scores like 13-2, 16-0, etc. After that, SOMETHING CHANGES. Now matchmaking lets me choose what mode to play... "cool" I think, "I love Skirmish, now I can play it the whole time instead of boring Deathm... I mean, Ambush" BUT here's what happened:

For the entire match I've been killed over and over and over by Heavy machine/Proto wide-range cannon guys with BILLIONS Shield/Health points, One shot-kill shotgun dudes camping the objectives hiding in a dark corner with super scanners, Duvolle rifles of any kind and some weapons I don't even know what they are such sort of grenade-launcher or whatever.
Ok, just a bad game..? No. From now on, this seems to be the new DUST 514.

What happened? Why does everything change as soon as I get into the game? Is this game's Matchmaking KDR based? Because, unlike different games where EVERYONE got the SAME HP, this WON'T work. It should be SP or WP based.
I just CAN'T stand a chance against so much overpowered enemies, even detecting them and getting them unaware, from behind, in the open space while I'm in cover, with a GLU tactical rifle. I start shooting, they turn back, they see me... I'm dead. In a split second.

Upset, I try to build a second character and this time I spend some of my SP to get a consistent shield defense. I can still afford a GEK 38 which is good. This time I manage to hit a KDR of 4.20, doing awesome stuff and feeling like a 1 man army, winning almost every game. Until that happens again: Matchmaking now allows me to choose a game mode. This time I'm ready to anything, I know this is going to be bad.

Well, it's really bad. I get overwhelmed. I have a marshmellow-loaded gun and paper armor. The very best I can do is 4 kills/4 death.

I loved this game so much for the first 24 hours. I kinda hate it now... I can't do anything. It's very frustrating because this game got something MORE than all the other classic FPS games, something shiny and lovely, and it's such a shame it's so vastly unbalanced. I'm not saying "go to hell, I'm back to Battlefield and Uncharted 3", because this game CAN be awesome, but it really needs a fix.

I'm leaving it for now, but with the hope that Matchmaking will be sensibly improved. If that happens, I'll be back to play an amazing game. If that doesn't happen it would be really sad.

I wish you the best game experience.

Thanks for reading, see ya.

There is no need to force new players to get owned by vet players in pub matches

you will turn people away

Lower player base

Reduced revenue

Reduce dev staff

Reduced quality in expansions

30 mill sp players left to kill anyone who dares play this game longer than a week

Cleared some of the silly posts. Please guy, keep the conversation civilized.

You seem to be coming from the Call of Halo school of lack-of-thought.

The fact is, this is not Call of Duty. This is not Halo. This is not even Battlefield, though that's the closest in overall gameplay feel. This is very much a tactical, squad-based shooter.

If you lone wolf, you will die. If you run-and-gun, you will die. If you neglect your skills in favour of immediately unlocking Gun X, you will die. And if you neglect your loadouts in favour of pure gank and no mind to tank (be it armour, shield, or speed), YOU WILL DIE.

Hi everyone.

My purpose here is not to complain, I just think this game has a lot of potential but it's currently just too unbalanced and frustrating and I believe this CAN be solved if the developers do something about it, so I'm here to share my experience.

Before you say "Hey, you're just a newbie, you gotta get some experience and better equipment", let me explain the whole thing.

Yes, I'm a fresh DUST player. But I'm an "aged", "hardcore" (if you want to call me that way...), I'm very experienced with almost any kind of game and expecially TPS and FPS. I have "trained" reflexes but most important I play clever.

So let's try DUST 514, I'm curious! I start as an assaulter. I fall in love with the tactical GLU rifle and I quickly get to 150 kills and a KDR of 3.50 in a few games, doing very good scores like 13-2, 16-0, etc. After that, SOMETHING CHANGES. Now matchmaking lets me choose what mode to play... "cool" I think, "I love Skirmish, now I can play it the whole time instead of boring Deathm... I mean, Ambush" BUT here's what happened:

For the entire match I've been killed over and over and over by Heavy machine/Proto wide-range cannon guys with BILLIONS Shield/Health points, One shot-kill shotgun dudes camping the objectives hiding in a dark corner with super scanners, Duvolle rifles of any kind and some weapons I don't even know what they are such sort of grenade-launcher or whatever.
Ok, just a bad game..? No. From now on, this seems to be the new DUST 514.

What happened? Why does everything change as soon as I get into the game? Is this game's Matchmaking KDR based? Because, unlike different games where EVERYONE got the SAME HP, this WON'T work. It should be SP or WP based.
I just CAN'T stand a chance against so much overpowered enemies, even detecting them and getting them unaware, from behind, in the open space while I'm in cover, with a GLU tactical rifle. I start shooting, they turn back, they see me... I'm dead. In a split second.

Upset, I try to build a second character and this time I spend some of my SP to get a consistent shield defense. I can still afford a GEK 38 which is good. This time I manage to hit a KDR of 4.20, doing awesome stuff and feeling like a 1 man army, winning almost every game. Until that happens again: Matchmaking now allows me to choose a game mode. This time I'm ready to anything, I know this is going to be bad.

Well, it's really bad. I get overwhelmed. I have a marshmellow-loaded gun and paper armor. The very best I can do is 4 kills/4 death.

I loved this game so much for the first 24 hours. I kinda hate it now... I can't do anything. It's very frustrating because this game got something MORE than all the other classic FPS games, something shiny and lovely, and it's such a shame it's so vastly unbalanced. I'm not saying "go to hell, I'm back to Battlefield and Uncharted 3", because this game CAN be awesome, but it really needs a fix.

I'm leaving it for now, but with the hope that Matchmaking will be sensibly improved. If that happens, I'll be back to play an amazing game. If that doesn't happen it would be really sad.

I wish you the best game experience.

Thanks for reading, see ya.

For the entire match I've been killed over and over and over by Heavy machine/Proto wide-range cannon guys with BILLIONS Shield/Health points

For the entire match I've been killed over and over and over by Heavy machine/Proto wide-range cannon guys with BILLIONS Shield/Health points

Umm...I agree to a certain extent, but not entirely. If you're a good FPS player and you have 1 mill skill points spent well you can beast.

Also you can use a murder taxi until you get enough sp to run and gun. It's terrible, and I hate it, but it works.

Edit: not sure if this advice will exacerbate an already rampant problem, but w/e.

[I want to solo]

Hi Nightshade,

I know exactly how you feel. It's grueling getting stomped over and over again for weeks on end, especially if you're a FPS-experienced. Hang in there, though. It gets better pretty quickly.

Here are a few tips you may find helpful:

1) Pick a Role.
Mine the Forums for the guns and suits folks are complaining about. You'll quickly learn which builds work, and more importantly which builds to avoid. If you can't decide between builds, use an alt account to experiment.

2) Free-to-Play vs Pay-to-Win.
Skip the AUR gear in favor of active and passive boosters. The Merc Pack offers the best return on investment for newcomers. AUR gear won't make you better. SP will absolutely make you better.

3) Ask Questions.
Get a mic. Tell folks you're learning the ropes, and don't be afraid to ask questions before or after a match. Let the community work for you. We aren't all ***holes.

4) Protect Your Record.
Remember that spies are commonplace here, so running with Corp A could prevent you from being accepted into Corp B. You'll start receiving recruitment mail soon. Do your research before committing.

5) Avoid Local.
Nothing here but trolls and guys in spaceships.

6) Solo Smart.
You'll likely be playing solo to start. When you see someone go 30/0, add him to your contacts. Next time you see him on the other team, backout. If you see six guys from the same corp on the other team, backout. If you see more than two Imperfects on the other team, backout. These cowardly tactics will protect you from what some may call "broken" matchmaking.

7) Squad Up.
Check the team roster in the war barge and squad up with other guys with mics. Communicate and stick together. Engage targets from complimentary angles. It's tough to take on a pile of red dots.

8) Do Your Homework.
You've found the Forums. CEOPyrex, Bojo's School, and Dust University are other helpful resources. Much has changed with the release of Uprising, so be mindful of materials dated earlier than May 2013.

9) Tinker with Inputs.
Experiment with sensitivity settings and aim assist until you've found what works for you.

10) Be Patient.
Give the game 30 days before giving up. Accept that everyone gets wrecked on exiting the Academy. Just watch your funds and try to hit your weekly skill cap. The first month will be tough, but it's a necessary evil. It is all that protects us from the idiot rabble and little kids on CoD.

Best of Luck,

- Shotty GoBang