well built characters can laugh at nearly all sniper hits.

The only thing that needs fixing is the ability to snipe from the MCC

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

Red line snipers have very little effect on the game except for leaving their own team with one less solder on the front lines. Sometimes someone will stop to tie their shoe in the middle of an open field and they will get a kill, so they are better than AFKGÇÖers, but barley.

Any Sniper that gets close enough to cover objectives effectively is close enough to be killed with an assault rifle.

The only time I have trouble with snipers, other than an occasional lucky shot, is when there is a experienced and skilled sniper on the other team. I notice when they have a good sniper, and if they are causing me problems, they are most likely not behind the red line.

My advice:
1) Know where the snipers are likely to be, so you know what will provide cover and what wonGÇÖt.
2) DonGÇÖt stop moving unless you are behind cover. Move from cover to cover.
3) Figure out where the sniper is and call out itGÇÖs position to your team. If they become a real problem, send someone after them.

When I started this game I died to snipers a lot. Then I played a sniper for a while and learned how it works. Now I only die to very good or very lucky snipers.

WTF i've heard from a lot of snipers that sniping now compared to chromosome is a loooot harder. The tacticals got a minor buff but it still takes atleast 2 shoots to kill most people. Snipers are mostly an annoyance and if he manages to one shoot you well he's properly as thinly armored as a wet paper towel so counter snipe him.

Yea watch any team full of snipers. That team may get alot of kills and be annoying, but then it immediately loses.

If they do stupid Red Line sniping, just switch to a free suit and stay in cover and shoot anyone who comes to a objective.

You will win soon enough.

WTF i've heard from a lot of snipers that sniping now compared to chromosome is a loooot harder. The tacticals got a minor buff but it still takes atleast 2 shoots to kill most people. Snipers are mostly an annoyance and if he manages to one shoot you well he's properly as thinly armored as a wet paper towel so counter snipe him.

u can snipe from mcc?

but isnt that behind red line?

who goes there?

On some maps you can see A LOT from MCC.
The map Ashland if you start in the MCC behind D, you can fully protect D and C, plus left right or infront of A, supply depo, CRU. Straight and bent pipes, CRU between C and B, SiloGÇÖs and roof top at C SiloGÇÖs by other MCC, anyone on top of the building by B. All while the enemy can't shoot you.
That isn't the only map either, manus peak map can be done, skim junction from behind E, with the smaller city set up is just as bad as ashland

Sniper actually advance at a fairly slow pace.

Protosnipers a fairly rare.

There Standard and Militia brosefs are more common and are little more than an annoyance unless they know what they are doing. Which is kill stealing.

Simply remove warpoints gain while in the redzone. problem solved.

If you can snipe from the redzone you can be counter-sniped from the redzone.

The redzone is not the issue.

Sniping from the MCC is bogus -- unless there is an ability to counter-snipe. Basically, the shield should be able to stop high velocity items moving in either direction.

Sniper actually advance at a fairly slow pace.

Protosnipers a fairly rare.

There Standard and Militia brosefs are more common and are little more than an annoyance unless they know what they are doing. Which is kill stealing.

Simply remove warpoints gain while in the redzone. problem solved.

Frontline mercs are a dime a dozen, good snipers are a rare find. I'll concede that there isn't a very large role for snipers in Skirmish because the match doesn't matter, but PC and other future features/game modes that matter or make a difference in New Eden, will fall to the team that has the rare great sniper, for we are game changers.

@ Crash Monster: I agree

@ Geirskoegul Aiming aint that bad for snipers once you get it down, I don't think the 2 for heavies 1 for others is right or acceptable

Damn dude, sniff sniff, I almost feel proud of being a sniper again!

@ Crash Monster: I agree

@ Geirskoegul Aiming aint that bad for snipers once you get it down, I don't think the 2 for heavies 1 for others is right or acceptable

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

What? This doesn't solve anything. Dedicated long range snipers don't get many WP to begin with. It doesn't at all solve anything and only hurts teams that employ snipers to begin with.

The fact is, most snipers red line snipe at some point or another. On some maps they almost have too. There seems to be a general consensus that snipers make their living running from objective to objective and hanging out on the frontline. This is not the case. By their very nature, snipers are out on the fringe providing cover fire, intel, objective watching, anti-sniping, and act as approach lane/route deterrents. Teams who use snipers know how to properly use the advantages of snipers and any team that isn't using a sniper is gimping themselves.

It has been said time and again that the team or teams that use the best tactics will win. Sniper's are hated by the one's getting sniped, loved by the one's that properly deploy a sniper, and shunned by a community that lacks the ability to understand the function of a sniper. The only person that you will hurt by taking WPs away from snipers, is yourself. If you think for a moment snipers do what they do for WPs, you are sadly mistaken.

Frontline mercs are a dime a dozen, good snipers are a rare find. I'll concede that there isn't a very large role for snipers in Skirmish because the match doesn't matter, but PC and other future features/game modes that matter or make a difference in New Eden, will fall to the team that has the rare great sniper, for we are game changers.

What about the AR tact

I have no problems with snipers however I dislike how easy it is to snipe. You barely have to lead your targets. Also the guy bragging about using the caldari proto for the 5 slots to snipe is scum of the earth.

I am a dedicated sniper on my other profile (while this one is scrambler), having invested 7 million sp into building a team-based sniper alone. I rest at team lowcannons and defend that spot from incoming invasion of enemy troops. If the invasion cease and i see my team advancing, I move foward to and eliminate hostiles ahead of them and at enemy lowcannons so my team can hack it. At the same time, i stay near team lowcannons to eliminate hostiles trying to sneak hack.

While i do agree that all snipers redline at some point, they shouldnt be staying there all game long. Picking off random ants you see running around achieves nothing unless you see your team going on the offense or defense respectively. The problem with maps are the objectives are close together so it is easy for footsoldiers to close the gap, especially since it takes 3 seconds for scoping in to settle even with operations 5.

As a sniper, redliners get no respect for me unless all the team objectives are taken.

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

Sniper rifles are not too powerful, if you are getting killed from one shot the sniper is doing something right and you are doing something wrong. It is not one or the other, it is both. Just be glad I didn't spec into my Thale's this build...then you would really have something to cry about. Also, as far as MCC sniping goes, you can shoot in. I love doing it too. AFKers make tasty free kills with any grade sniper.

I typically drive into the redline just to run over snipers.

Underlining the OP's points for ease of picking out which statements are stupid.

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

Redline snipers are useless nonfactors who waste their team's resources by being there and taking up a slot that could go to someone useful. Not a reason to nerf the Sniper Rifle.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

You have obviously never utilized a sniper rifle.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

Again, you have obviously never used a sniper rifle. If you had, you would find many people eager to delete you for screwing up even once.

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

yes you can. If you can't figure out how you fail. The freaking bullets leave a contrail like a tracer that points rifght back to them.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

This is an absurdity posted as fact when it is actually your opinion. Snipers are supposed to **** you off. it's their purpose. Snipers are the trolls of the military.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

See point 5

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

What the hell is a Tan? is this some mythical wildebeest hybrid worthy of millions of ISK?

Oh wait, you misspelled TANK! my bad. And here I thought you might have something constructive to say. My bad. So at no point have you made your case. I'm afraid that your bromance with that sniper on the hill must continue, as you cannot provide facts stating why snipers need to get nerfed hard.

Underlining the OP's points for ease of picking out which statements are stupid.

1) Playing with the red line since the first build.

Redline snipers are useless nonfactors who waste their team's resources by being there and taking up a slot that could go to someone useful. Not a reason to nerf the Sniper Rifle.

2) No skill to use it, no physics to shoot. It's the same if you're at 10 or 100 mts of distance.

You have obviously never utilized a sniper rifle.

3) No ISK risk, that's stupid since you show a game "where you need to take care of your money".

Again, you have obviously never used a sniper rifle. If you had, you would find many people eager to delete you for screwing up even once.

4) You can't see where they are, but we all now they're in some point behind the red line in their base.

yes you can. If you can't figure out how you fail. The freaking bullets leave a contrail like a tracer that points rifght back to them.

5) The sniper gameplay is stupid.

This is an absurdity posted as fact when it is actually your opinion. Snipers are supposed to **** you off. it's their purpose. Snipers are the trolls of the military.

6) The sniper gameplay is very veeeery *****.

See point 5

The sniper rifle must cost at least, like a tan

What the hell is a Tan? is this some mythical wildebeest hybrid worthy of millions of ISK?

Oh wait, you misspelled TANK! my bad. And here I thought you might have something constructive to say. My bad. So at no point have you made your case. I'm afraid that your bromance with that sniper on the hill must continue, as you cannot provide facts stating why snipers need to get nerfed hard.

big problem is player render distance going to infinity as you're scoped in, and the sniper rifle having no real maximum range. this means the only effect counter to a sniper is a counter sniper that knows EXACTLY where the enemy sniper is, which is difficult because NOBODY CAN SEE THE ENEMY SNIPER. also bullet trails very often don't render past a rather short distance.

the first one is silly and rather easy to fix, just set a shorter maximum player render distance even while scoped.
second problem is trickier to fix without making the sniper rifle feel wrong. there should be no absolute fall off, just a very noticeable drop in damage past some range.

this will force snipers to actually play on the battlefield instead of sitting in their no-risk-all-reward bunkers. the render distance thing really feels like an oversight.

Redline snipers are cowards that lose games in order to pad their own ego and stats. Take me on. I can lift more than you. Let's wrestle.

Also, player render distance does NOT go to infinity. Are you sure you've played Uprising? You could see anyone and everyone in Chromosome, so sniping at excess of 500m was possible. In Uprising, players barely render past 400m, and THAT is considered a bug. lol
So the potency of sniping from a sniper nest is not as effective as it once was.

LOL, and here we'd gone so long without a serious trolling effort.

How much do you bench? I bet it's not much. I can bench a lot. It's a very high number. If we were to fight mano-a-mano, I'd knock your head off. Don't test me.

How much do you bench? I bet it's not much. I can bench a lot. It's a very high number. If we were to fight mano-a-mano, I'd knock your head off. Don't test me.

Oh, an internet tough guy... haven't seen one of those around for a while. Benching is for pussies who want to pretend they are strong. How much do you deadlift or squat?

Go hit the showers, you two. It'll give you a chance to compare muscles.

Go take your juice and pray your manhood doesn't shrink any further :)