I remember the good old days of the chromosome build where everyone was using different types of weapons. Now this game makes me feel like I'm playing halo in terms of weapons. That's one reason why I can't stand halo's multiplayer. The infamous battle rifle or DMR was the cream of the crop. If you weren't using any of those two weapons you would puting your self at a serious disadvantage.

I'm starting to get that same feeling again with dust. TAC AR's are ruining the gunplay in this game. I have tried real hard to not succumb to this skilless weapon(especially if you have a mod controller). But I will not. I pride myself too much to go into easy mode. I also notice large corps use these weapons exclusively. There's no challenge if you use these and I consider anyone who uses it as a crutch.

The TAC AR is blatantly OP. Or all the other weapons are UP. If players say CCP is catering to the "halo,COD,BF" crowd and you use this weapon you are basically a hypocrite.

The game is starting to lose it's fun factor because of this style of play imo. Now all I try to do is survive a match let alone get a kill when I'm put up against a platoon of TAC AR users.

For all the naysayers that are probably going to burn this thread to the ground and tell me either HTFU, STFU or GTFO. I don't care. I'm writing this post in hopes that CCP or a CPM listen to the reasoning of an experienced FPS player who wanted something different but seeing the same kitten all over again.

Where we playing the same build because all I saw wad LRs and assault rifles

lolvariety

only weapon that matters is the Tact. AR.

I hope they drop the TAC nerf on June 1st. One day after last respec opportunity, it would be delicious.

Then you answered my point. Halo like gunplay.

Tact. Duvolle

- Has the most range in AR

- Most dmg

- Highest ROF

- Best Hipfire

- highest DPS

Why would people use anything else

I hope they drop the TAC nerf on June 1st. One day after last respec opportunity, it would be delicious.

So?

Assault rifles will never die.

Sigh, idiots.
BF3 and COD have great weapon variety.
Its actually balanced.
Go into a match and tell me how many people are using the exact same weapon.
So if there is a cream of the crop weapon, its the exact opposite of catering to BF3/COD players.

You are in denial if you think the TAC nerf wont cause a river of tears. Taking away OP toys will create tantrums.

Don't know about CoD, but BF3 is this:

CQC Maps:

AR's: AEK, F2000, Famas

Shotguns: Spas, DAO, (any semi auto shotty)

Carbines: M4A1, A91


Mid- Long range maps:

AR's: AEK, AUG, AN94

Carbines: M4A1, ACW-R

AEK > every AR

M4A1 > every Carbine

Not really balanced when there's guns that people won't touch cuz there are other guns that does the job better.

Edit: In DUST Tact. AR > every gun

Damage isn't why people use it, it's all about the range. Unless they buff other weapons' ranges, Tac AR will always be king.

Sigh, idiots.
BF3 and COD have great weapon variety.
Its actually balanced.
Go into a match and tell me how many people are using the exact same weapon.
So if there is a cream of the crop weapon, its the exact opposite of catering to BF3/COD players.

Ill take a balanced game with good gunplay based on skill based percise weapons over spray and pray any day. Halo-esque gameplay is a compliment, not an insult. You can tell who is the better player when weapons require aim and are on even footing.

The days of "oh I am safe with my lazer because I have sharpshooter and nobody can get near me" are over. Now it comes down to players on relatively even footing fighting each other, and thats awesome.

I love the folks who claim TAR takes no skill, what guns DO take skill then? The only thing that takes more skill than a TAR would be a CQ sniper, and you never see anyone sniping outside the mountains.

Ill take a balanced game with good gunplay based on skill based percise weapons over spray and pray any day. Halo-esque gameplay is a compliment, not an insult. You can tell who is the better player when weapons require aim and are on even footing.

The days of "oh I am safe with my lazer because I have sharpshooter and nobody can get near me" are over. Now it comes down to players on relatively even footing fighting each other, and thats awesome.

I love the folks who claim TAR takes no skill, what guns DO take skill then? The only thing that takes more skill than a TAR would be a CQ sniper, and you never see anyone sniping outside the mountains.

ol...spoken like a true scrub that doesn't want his tact. AR nerfed. Truth be told, NO GUN in DUST takes skill, as recoil is almost none existent. Hold the trigger, bingo. The skill comes from player choices, and tactics employed during battle.

The Tact. AR however, requires LESS skill than most guns in DUST... if not all gun. It's a joke.

Who are you killing in 3-4 bullets? Scouts? Most decent fits would take 6-10 shots to take down. TAR could likely use a nerf in CQ, but mid/long range TAR fighting relies far more on skill than any other weapon in the game.

What takes more skill? Shotgunners hoping poor hit detection keeps them alive long enough to get in OHK range? Nova Knifers praying everyones situational awareness is poor so they can get a kill? MD aiming at the ground hoping their splash is big enough to make up for poor aim? Snipers sitting across the map hoping everyone just ignores them while they rack up free kills and are useless to their team? Automatic AR users spraying wildly hoping enough of their bullets hit the target

TAR does feel like Halo. And Halo very much feels like the better player will win an engagement.



Honestly, go ahead and nerf it. Ill just use the SR then and then youll want that nerfed too. I admit the TAR makes the SR a bit pointless, because it outranges it and the benifits of the SR dont make up for the range advantage. But nerf the TAR and ill be more than happy to use the Scramblers.

Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.

God, man up.

It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you.

100+ damage per bullet with mods and skills. 4 times 100+ will kill many fits.

I actually really liked the concept of the tactical rifles in chromosome. I wanted be somewhere in the middle of sniper and front line. Burst and tactical rifles fill that role.

Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.

God, man up.

EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes.

Ah, I use the GLU, no damage mods and no AR prof to boost damage that way. its like 75+ per shot. So most decent fits will take me at minimum 5 shots. Funny enough, thats how many shots it takes to kill in halo :)

It takes me even less to kill with my scrambler pistol. How come nobody complains about that?

Im honestly all for a nerf to the TAR, I dont really care. I just think stating its a no skill weapon is ignorant. Single shot weapons are always the skill weapons in every game. The reason Halo is reduced to DMRs is because the devs realize that spray and pray weapons dont foster good competitive gameplay.

Wow.

hahahah, lol.

Oh wait. Serious?

There should be a Tac adjustment enroute

Another brilliant contribution. You sir are clever

Wow.

I never said no skill, just that imbalance exists and because of that it is easier to get kills.

. I have tried real hard to not succumb to this skilless weapon(especially if you have a mod controller).

You know what f-ck it, lets just remove every weapon in the game and we can all equip our characters with Cotton Candy Bats and Bra's and run about complimenting each other, and telling each other how much we love the fact that not only has every weapon that was ever worth a damn nerfed, they were removed all together.

Just because players don't use the god damned obscure weapons in the game, is not indicative of skill, on the other hand, the fact all you goons whine about it, is indicative about how ******* sh-t the majority of the playerbase it.

Enjoy getting blasted with a TAR and ragequitting, just take your death and accept it.

You might wanna apply some cream to that burn

I'm sorry, but if everyone uses a weapon, that is an indication of it's OPness. Also, the TAR is painfully easy to use. Point, pull the trigger. That's pretty much the whole story, right?


The problem with the TAR is it's DPS at range. Simple as that. If it was actually difficult to use, that'd be one thing, but it isn't, thus, the ROF combined with the range combined with the ease of use makes it OP. Personally, I think it's even be fine if it had it's ranged DPS if it had some massive short range nerf like the LR, but it doesn't. It's too good at all ranges, that makes it the universally good weapon, the one weapon to rule them all, and by definition an easy weapon. TBH, all ARs are pretty easy though.

Thank god, someone with at least half a story to support his accusations, you're mistaking a strong weapon, for an overpowered one, wanna talk over powered, lets talk Forge Guns, Nova Knives, Flaylocks...

So unless you go through and nerf every single single shot weapon, youll just be seeing the same posts with TAR switched to SR or scrambelr pistol..

Sorry, but I'm not making a mistake here. None of the weapons you speak of are OP. they all have drawbacks. Flaylock, relatively short range, small clip, limited splash. Nova Knives, melee, nuff said. Forge Guns, slow ROF, limited clip, only available to heavy, thus more difficult aiming, no ADS.

The TAR though, has none of these issues. It has good ROF, high DPS, long range, large clip, ADS, available on any suit, long ass range, aand...easy to use.

Where we playing the same build because all I saw wad LRs and assault rifles

Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him.

TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.

A. Everything is OP when you are camping a drop uplink with it.
B. People with crazy shield tanks going on can take three direct hits with an advanced Flaylock without dying, and other reds have to be practically touching them in order to feel the splash damage. (2.5 meters is the most splash you can ever get.)
C. Firing anything with high damage into a crowd will net some kills or at least a bunch of assists.

The problem is that the Tac keeps doing every other gun's specific job better than they can.

And people are going to continue to camp, fire into crowds and chuck flux grenades to ruin shields. NERF EVERYTHING.

No, this is a war game, you are going to die, regardless, I personally think they should just change the name of TAR to something completely random one day and see if people still moan about it, or if it's just sheep mentality between the people that take themselves far too seriously.

the real issue is that there is no reason to use any other gun.

I wouldn't mind some sway on the TAR, it's basically a DMR, which is essentially a Sniper Rifle with shorter range

Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him.

TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.

Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.

God, man up.

EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes.

The reason people whine is because the TAC is so versatile compared to every other gun in the game. Every other gun has major drawbacks (range, overheating, damage, etc.), yet the TAC is good at everything. No other gun even comes close in terms of versatility....and that's not right!

Wow, circles, going in them.

IM OUT.

Enjoy.

I thought you were leaving




Maybe i read that wrong

Wow, circles, going in them.

you guys are dicks.

seriously.
they nerf the maps cuz it's kicking your ass
they nerf most basic weapon because it's kicking your ass.
they nerf the skill tree cuz it's kicking your ass
they nerf the log in process because it's kicking your ass

now you ask for more gun nerfs.


you guys will never quit til this thing is just 5 nerds in a cirlce shooting pistols at each other.

wtf is wrong with you nerds?

it's not even about some stupid internet meme, really.
it's just the fact that you guys whine and vage about every friggin thing and you never stop till every game is just waterlogged.

jesssus.

Peace
B

I believe TAR is going to be hit with the nerf bat soon.

I'm pretty sure the way things are going its not going to be a bat more like a truck

Because you idiots keep whining.

One person's whine is another's justice. And, honestly, if you can't admit that the TAR is currently OP, well..calling other people idiots is maybe a bad move for you.

Jesus ******* christ, get a ******* life and stop bitching about the god damned TAR, it's not over powered, you idiots just want a clusterw-nk with the people that agree with you, about nerfing every god damned weapon there ever was. Does it make your e-peen feel good?

It's not overpowered, you're just a ******* terrible player.

Jesus ******* christ, get a ******* life and stop bitching about the god damned TAR, it's not over powered, you idiots just want a clusterw-nk with the people that agree with you, about nerfing every god damned weapon there ever was. Does it make your e-peen feel good?

It's not overpowered, you're just a ******* terrible player.

Jesus ******* christ, get a ******* life and stop bitching about the god damned TAR, it's not over powered, you idiots just want a clusterw-nk with the people that agree with you, about nerfing every god damned weapon there ever was. Does it make your e-peen feel good?

It's not overpowered, you're just a ******* terrible player.

I'm only seeing the TAR under fire right now. then again, there is always one gun or two each build. the laser rifles and assault rifle with stacked mods last build, the TAR this build, whatever the gun that is statistically best(easy to use, easy to kill someone with, hard to fight against) is going to quickly become peoples go-to gun, thereby be named OP(again, statistical superiority, thereby the gun is OP.)

so really, it just seems like you exclusively use the TAR and are screaming as loud as you can to try and make ccp think you know more than just about everyone else.

Oh and just to fill all you console FPS haters, COD may have SMG's as the main guns to use but there's still a variety of weapons being used. BO2 ruined it with SMG use, all the other COD's AR'S, shotguns, sniper rifles, LMG's were all being used. Don't even get me started on BF, that game screams variety.

I believe TAR is going to be hit with the nerf bat soon.

They should've been hit extremely hard with it with the patch that just came out. I don't think there's any other weapon in game that does as much dps to infantry as the Duvolle Tac AR, and that includes tanks and LAV mounted weapons. It's absolutely ******* ludicrous.

EDIT: And if the TAC AR requires skill to use, then the SCR must take a ******* god, because it doesn't do as much damage to shields as a TAC AR without charging, and the thing can overheat and kill you in the process of shooting someone with it.

i am starting to master the scrambler rifle abit. its true that the scrambler rifle has a high learning curve and it costed me dearly when i first used it. however it become much easier to use since i start managing my shots much more clearer. having to go into a quick cover if it is about to overheat, pausing a bit near the last shots, or switching to your secondary before it over heats. if you can manage the heat build up, the scrambler rifle can be a pretty deadly weapon. i have the imperial scr with a complex damage mod so you can imagine how lethal it can be

Sigh, idiots.
BF3 and COD have great weapon variety.
Its actually balanced.
Go into a match and tell me how many people are using the exact same weapon.
So if there is a cream of the crop weapon, its the exact opposite of catering to BF3/COD players.

Ill take a balanced game with good gunplay based on skill based percise weapons over spray and pray any day. Halo-esque gameplay is a compliment, not an insult. You can tell who is the better player when weapons require aim and are on even footing.

The days of "oh I am safe with my lazer because I have sharpshooter and nobody can get near me" are over. Now it comes down to players on relatively even footing fighting each other, and thats awesome.

I love the folks who claim TAR takes no skill, what guns DO take skill then? The only thing that takes more skill than a TAR would be a CQ sniper, and you never see anyone sniping outside the mountains.

ok now you're just coming off as butthurt and mad. Take a break from the forums, drink something, compose yourself, and come back when you don't sound like a 12 yr old raging

No, I'm completely calm, I'm Scottish, and 20, we swear, alot.

Especially when idiots are thrust upon us, I'll swear if I want to swear, it doesn't mean I'm angry, it just means you're a ****.

really? my family on my grampa's side is from Scotland. Specifically glasgow(earlier, border clan)

how is it idiotic to wish for guns to be balanced? how is it idiotic to wish for the gun that has virtually no drawback(smaller clip, big whoop) to have a drawback, or at least some kind of balancing factor? every other gun has drawbacks, and strengths, the TAR has ONLY strengths.

No, I'm completely calm, I'm Scottish, and 20, we swear, alot.

Especially when idiots are thrust upon us, I'll swear if I want to swear, it doesn't mean I'm angry, it just means you're a ****.

No, it doesn't need a nerf, not at all, the clip would not affect the damage whatsoever, ergo, it's not a nerf. And again, I rarely use the TAR, I have a setup with it, which I whip out for medium range sniping every now and then, but my two main rigs are Scrambler Rifle and GEK. I don't intend to use the other weapons, Sniper, maybe, Swarm Launcher, maybe, they're specialised as hell.

Reducing the range, or damage or ROF would ruin the point of the weapon, it's semi automatic, as fast as you can pull the trigger, that's what semi automatic does, some people can't use it, some people can use it, extremely well.

Some people have modded controllers, or mapped the fire button to their mousewheel, yes.

the RoF + the damage +the range is the ENTIRE reason the weapon is overpowered, it outranges everything that's not a sniper rifle, or forge gun, or installation and does comparable damage to turrets mounted on cars, at a faster fire rate than the standard AR.

You yourself even pointed out that the ONE DRAWBACK this gun has is not any kind of drawback, so, what is it's weakness to balance out being the outright strongest option in the game?

and yes, it does need a nerf. if more than 2/3 of people are using a single weapon type and variant, it means that nothing else is comparable, which means that weapon is overpowered.

ergo, that ONE weapon needs to be nerfed.

No, it doesn't need a nerf, not at all, the clip would not affect the damage whatsoever, ergo, it's not a nerf. And again, I rarely use the TAR, I have a setup with it, which I whip out for medium range sniping every now and then, but my two main rigs are Scrambler Rifle and GEK. I don't intend to use the other weapons, Sniper, maybe, Swarm Launcher, maybe, they're specialised as hell.

Reducing the range, or damage or ROF would ruin the point of the weapon, it's semi automatic, as fast as you can pull the trigger, that's what semi automatic does, some people can't use it, some people can use it, extremely well.

And to you above me, wow, I'm not even going to do the whole ID SAY THAT TO YOUR FACE IVE BEEN IN JAIL DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO ish, but just know that I would.

so you're running. never thought a Scot for a runner.

Also you must not play many games then, because there are a minimum of 4 of them in every game I'm in. that's a quarter of one of the teams, as a MINIMUM. that many people should not be using the exact same gun. typically it's more, ever seen a game with 10 of them? it's over very shortly because it turns into CoD 514 where everyone dies in 4 bullets.

I'm not running, I'm making an educated decision to stop beating a dead horse with another dead horse, and I play pretty much all day every day and I see maybe 2 in a match, every 3 matches? I'm being totally serious here as well, I'm not trying to continue this argument on, and I've never seen a game with that many, I've seen games where the entire map were running VARIOUS AR setups, mostly the Exile is the one that keep popping up on the kill list for me, and a quarter of the team using the same weapon, is pretty normal in most shooter games, that were ever made.

But hey ho.

fine, agree to disagree then? since neither of us is going to give up an inch any time soon.

Sigh, idiots.
BF3 and COD have great weapon variety.
Its actually balanced.
Go into a match and tell me how many people are using the exact same weapon.
So if there is a cream of the crop weapon, its the exact opposite of catering to BF3/COD players.

I believe TAR is going to be hit with the nerf bat soon.

TAR will get nerfed and laser should get a buff. This would fix a lot.