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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:32:00 -
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I actually really liked the concept of the tactical rifles in chromosome. I wanted be somewhere in the middle of sniper and front line. Burst and tactical rifles fill that role. I'm not happy that everyone is doing it, no, but in a game where the majority (or the loudest) of the players are simply saying "HTFU" or "adapt or die", it turns out that using tactical rifles and prototype gear is what you have to do if you want to maintain a positive KDR and hope to stand a chance in public matches. Either that or skill into LAVs so you can call in a prototype murder taxi. Make sure you don't forget your complex tear harvesters. I believe they go on the bumper.
Point being, this game's issues go beyond one weapon type and the majority of those issues, I feel, are in the community itself. |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:33:00 -
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Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
595
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:34:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you. |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:36:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you.
Wow. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
250
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:39:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:100+ damage per bullet with mods and skills. 4 times 100+ will kill many fits.
Ah, I use the GLU, no damage mods and no AR prof to boost damage that way. its like 75+ per shot. So most decent fits will take me at minimum 5 shots. Funny enough, thats how many shots it takes to kill in halo :)
It takes me even less to kill with my scrambler pistol. How come nobody complains about that?
Im honestly all for a nerf to the TAR, I dont really care. I just think stating its a no skill weapon is ignorant. Single shot weapons are always the skill weapons in every game. The reason Halo is reduced to DMRs is because the devs realize that spray and pray weapons dont foster good competitive gameplay
Quote:I actually really liked the concept of the tactical rifles in chromosome. I wanted be somewhere in the middle of sniper and front line. Burst and tactical rifles fill that role.
This, so much. I was trying to do a CQ sniper role before, but its impossible with the current sniper mechanics and sway. Sway is too random to consistantly compensate for so you cant be a mobile CQ sniper at all. If they gave me a sniper with like 100+ damage and maybe 60 RPM but with no sway so I can actually aim, I would be a happy dude. The TAR might be a little OP but it fills that role so I like it. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
504
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:41:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. hahahah, lol.
Oh wait. Serious?
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Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
596
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:42:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Jin Robot wrote:100+ damage per bullet with mods and skills. 4 times 100+ will kill many fits. Ah, I use the GLU, no damage mods and no AR prof to boost damage that way. its like 75+ per shot. So most decent fits will take me at minimum 5 shots. Funny enough, thats how many shots it takes to kill in halo :) It takes me even less to kill with my scrambler pistol. How come nobody complains about that? Im honestly all for a nerf to the TAR, I dont really care. I just think stating its a no skill weapon is ignorant. Single shot weapons are always the skill weapons in every game. The reason Halo is reduced to DMRs is because the devs realize that spray and pray weapons dont foster good competitive gameplay. I never said no skill, just that imbalance exists and because of that it is easier to get kills. |
Jin Robot
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
596
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:44:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you. Wow. Another brilliant contribution. You sir are clever |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:45:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. hahahah, lol. Oh wait. Serious?
You know what f-ck it, lets just remove every weapon in the game and we can all equip our characters with Cotton Candy Bats and Bra's and run about complimenting each other, and telling each other how much we love the fact that not only has every weapon that was ever worth a damn nerfed, they were removed all together.
Just because players don't use the god damned obscure weapons in the game, is not indicative of skill, on the other hand, the fact all you goons whine about it, is indicative about how ******* sh-t the majority of the playerbase it.
Enjoy getting blasted with a TAR and ragequitting, just take your death and accept it.
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Isaa Quade
PROJECT 86 U
140
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There should be a Tac adjustment enroute
No there won't be.
Calling it now. |
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Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:46:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you. Wow. Another brilliant contribution. You sir are clever
And your contribution was absolutely better, pr-ck. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1870
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:47:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you. Wow.
You might wanna apply some cream to that burn |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
250
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:48:00 -
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Jin Robot wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Jin Robot wrote:100+ damage per bullet with mods and skills. 4 times 100+ will kill many fits. Ah, I use the GLU, no damage mods and no AR prof to boost damage that way. its like 75+ per shot. So most decent fits will take me at minimum 5 shots. Funny enough, thats how many shots it takes to kill in halo :) It takes me even less to kill with my scrambler pistol. How come nobody complains about that? Im honestly all for a nerf to the TAR, I dont really care. I just think stating its a no skill weapon is ignorant. Single shot weapons are always the skill weapons in every game. The reason Halo is reduced to DMRs is because the devs realize that spray and pray weapons dont foster good competitive gameplay. I never said no skill, just that imbalance exists and because of that it is easier to get kills.
The no skill comments are due to the OP
Quote:. I have tried real hard to not succumb to this skilless weapon(especially if you have a mod controller).
There is a fair discussion to be had about TAR balance and its OPness. But I dont believe that discussion starts with claiming its a skilless weapon. I think a reduced rate of fire would help balance the TAR, I suspect that is coming. I hope it is coupled with a bigger headshot bonus, or reduced kick at range.
But I honestly dont think nerfing the TAR will do much. With the new ranges on ARs, Scramber Pistols are godly. SR would be dominant if the TAR didnt exist. So unless you go through and nerf every single single shot weapon, youll just be seeing the same posts with TAR switched to SR or scrambelr pistol.. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
506
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:55:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. hahahah, lol. Oh wait. Serious? You know what f-ck it, lets just remove every weapon in the game and we can all equip our characters with Cotton Candy Bats and Bra's and run about complimenting each other, and telling each other how much we love the fact that not only has every weapon that was ever worth a damn nerfed, they were removed all together. Just because players don't use the god damned obscure weapons in the game, is not indicative of skill, on the other hand, the fact all you goons whine about it, is indicative about how ******* sh-t the majority of the playerbase it. Enjoy getting blasted with a TAR and ragequitting, just take your death and accept it.
I'm sorry, but if everyone uses a weapon, that is an indication of it's OPness. Also, the TAR is painfully easy to use. Point, pull the trigger. That's pretty much the whole story, right?
The problem with the TAR is it's DPS at range. Simple as that. If it was actually difficult to use, that'd be one thing, but it isn't, thus, the ROF combined with the range combined with the ease of use makes it OP. Personally, I think it's even be fine if it had it's ranged DPS if it had some massive short range nerf like the LR, but it doesn't. It's too good at all ranges, that makes it the universally good weapon, the one weapon to rule them all, and by definition an easy weapon. TBH, all ARs are pretty easy though.
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Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:57:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Jin Robot wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's the require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up. It is a wonder you have so few likes, I cannot imagine why nobody agrees with you. Wow. You might wanna apply some cream to that burn
Wow, so I'm not even going to bother reading the forums again, it's just a group w-nk between a very tight knit group of utter pillocks. People like you are utterly, utterly ruining the game, and it's funny because only you idiots are the ones posting your gripes on the forum, and anyone else who disagrees immediately gets pounced on with a million NO U's.
You guys aren't as smart as you think you are, they're going to patch everything you've been moaning about, and you're going to realise the game is terrible thanks to your rip roaring suggestions, and then what the hell are you gunna do?
Eventually there will be a point where you have nothing left to ***** about, and I guarantee you guys will have absolutely nothing to entertain yourselves with during the day.
IM OUT.
Enjoy. |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 19:59:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. hahahah, lol. Oh wait. Serious? You know what f-ck it, lets just remove every weapon in the game and we can all equip our characters with Cotton Candy Bats and Bra's and run about complimenting each other, and telling each other how much we love the fact that not only has every weapon that was ever worth a damn nerfed, they were removed all together. Just because players don't use the god damned obscure weapons in the game, is not indicative of skill, on the other hand, the fact all you goons whine about it, is indicative about how ******* sh-t the majority of the playerbase it. Enjoy getting blasted with a TAR and ragequitting, just take your death and accept it. I'm sorry, but if everyone uses a weapon, that is an indication of it's OPness. Also, the TAR is painfully easy to use. Point, pull the trigger. That's pretty much the whole story, right? The problem with the TAR is it's DPS at range. Simple as that. If it was actually difficult to use, that'd be one thing, but it isn't, thus, the ROF combined with the range combined with the ease of use makes it OP. Personally, I think it's even be fine if it had it's ranged DPS if it had some massive short range nerf like the LR, but it doesn't. It's too good at all ranges, that makes it the universally good weapon, the one weapon to rule them all, and by definition an easy weapon. TBH, all ARs are pretty easy though.
Thank god, someone with at least half a story to support his accusations, you're mistaking a strong weapon, for an overpowered one, point and pull the trigger, yeah maybe but with a single shot weapon against an auto, you're not going to get very far... wanna talk over powered, lets talk Forge Guns, Nova Knives, Flaylocks... |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
507
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:02:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Buster Friently wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Please stop whining about the god damned Tactical AR's they require skill to use, the reason you are dying all the time is PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOU.
God, man up.
EDIT: And before you start shouting about how I don't want my TAR nerfed, I don't even use it. I use a combo of Sniper/Scrambler and GEK across my classes. hahahah, lol. Oh wait. Serious? You know what f-ck it, lets just remove every weapon in the game and we can all equip our characters with Cotton Candy Bats and Bra's and run about complimenting each other, and telling each other how much we love the fact that not only has every weapon that was ever worth a damn nerfed, they were removed all together. Just because players don't use the god damned obscure weapons in the game, is not indicative of skill, on the other hand, the fact all you goons whine about it, is indicative about how ******* sh-t the majority of the playerbase it. Enjoy getting blasted with a TAR and ragequitting, just take your death and accept it. I'm sorry, but if everyone uses a weapon, that is an indication of it's OPness. Also, the TAR is painfully easy to use. Point, pull the trigger. That's pretty much the whole story, right? The problem with the TAR is it's DPS at range. Simple as that. If it was actually difficult to use, that'd be one thing, but it isn't, thus, the ROF combined with the range combined with the ease of use makes it OP. Personally, I think it's even be fine if it had it's ranged DPS if it had some massive short range nerf like the LR, but it doesn't. It's too good at all ranges, that makes it the universally good weapon, the one weapon to rule them all, and by definition an easy weapon. TBH, all ARs are pretty easy though. Thank god, someone with at least half a story to support his accusations, you're mistaking a strong weapon, for an overpowered one, wanna talk over powered, lets talk Forge Guns, Nova Knives, Flaylocks...
Sorry, but I'm not making a mistake here. None of the weapons you speak of are OP. they all have drawbacks. Flaylock, relatively short range, small clip, limited splash. Nova Knives, melee, nuff said. Forge Guns, slow ROF, limited clip, only available to heavy, thus more difficult aiming, no ADS.
The TAR though, has none of these issues. It has good ROF, high DPS, long range, large clip, ADS, available on any suit, long ass range, aand...easy to use.
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
821
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:05:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:So unless you go through and nerf every single single shot weapon, youll just be seeing the same posts with TAR switched to SR or scrambelr pistol..
Scrambler Rifles are already balanced by their heat build up 'feature', and everybody hates the Scrambler Pistol's ADS. If the TryHardsGäó move on to either of those options, I would consider the problem solved.
As a shield tanking close quarters fighter, the SR should be the 'Rock' to my 'Scissors'. Too bad they let everybody bring 'Bulldozer' into this game. |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:06:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:
Sorry, but I'm not making a mistake here. None of the weapons you speak of are OP. they all have drawbacks. Flaylock, relatively short range, small clip, limited splash. Nova Knives, melee, nuff said. Forge Guns, slow ROF, limited clip, only available to heavy, thus more difficult aiming, no ADS.
The TAR though, has none of these issues. It has good ROF, high DPS, long range, large clip, ADS, available on any suit, long ass range, aand...easy to use.
Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him.
TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.
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IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations
84
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:09:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Where we playing the same build because all I saw wad LRs and assault rifles Mass Drivers, shotguns, HMG's, Forge Guns, SMG's, & Pistols all say hi. = )
You mustn't have played as often as you think. |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
821
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:16:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him.
TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.
A. Everything is OP when you are camping a drop uplink with it. B. People with crazy shield tanks going on can take three direct hits with an advanced Flaylock without dying, and other reds have to be practically touching them in order to feel the splash damage. (2.5 meters is the most splash you can ever get.) C. Firing anything with high damage into a crowd will net some kills or at least a bunch of assists.
The problem is that the Tac keeps doing every other gun's specific job better than they can. |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
0
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:20:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Dale Templar wrote:Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him.
TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.
A. Everything is OP when you are camping a drop uplink with it. B. People with crazy shield tanks going on can take three direct hits with an advanced Flaylock without dying, and other reds have to be practically touching them in order to feel the splash damage. (2.5 meters is the most splash you can ever get.) C. Firing anything with high damage into a crowd will net some kills or at least a bunch of assists. The problem is that the Tac keeps doing every other gun's specific job better than they can.
And people are going to continue to camp, fire into crowds and chuck flux grenades to ruin shields. NERF EVERYTHING.
No, this is a war game, you are going to die, regardless, I personally think they should just change the name of TAR to something completely random one day and see if people still moan about it, or if it's just sheep mentality between the people that take themselves far too seriously. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
133
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:30:00 -
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I said it before and I-¦ll say it again.. The TAC AR is just fine the way it is. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
250
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:38:00 -
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I agree, but I'll probably thrive off a nerf of it, so im cool with that.
Here's my logic as to why the TAR is ok.
1) most people think its fine at range and the issue with it is CQ. (not everyone, but most) 2) The scrambler pistol is already better CQ than the TAR while being similar. (reduced clip size and firing rate but massive headshot bonus) 3) The scrambler pistol is exactly the same as it was pre-uprising. 4) nobody complained about the scrambler pistol before
Thus, the TAR isnt really OP CQ, since there is a better weapon already out there that nobody thinks is OP. Go ahead, spend 200K on scrambler pistols to get decent clip size and use it, you'll come back realizing the TAR is fine. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
822
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:44:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:And people are going to continue to camp, fire into crowds and chuck flux grenades to ruin shields. NERF EVERYTHING.
No, this is a war game, you are going to die, regardless, I personally think they should just change the name of TAR to something completely random one day and see if people still moan about it, or if it's just sheep mentality between the people that take themselves far too seriously.
While I'm sure there are people out there who want it nerfed because they are butthurt about dying to it (re: every 'ZOMG Forge Guns OP!!!' thread), the real issue is that there is no reason to use any other gun. This isn't the first time this has happened either; there was the dumbfire swarm launcher, the Creodron Breach AR, the Minddrive SMG, and instantly detonating Remote Explosives before. Long after the Tac AR has faded back into obscurity, there will undoubtably be another God Gun that everyone will flock to. (First for easy kills, and later just to be competitive with the early adopters.) |
Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations
50
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:46:00 -
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I wouldn't mind some sway on the TAR, it's basically a DMR, which is essentially a Sniper Rifle with shorter range |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis
443
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:51:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote: the real issue is that there is no reason to use any other gun. Thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis
Thank you, someone knows what the hell the issue is. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
250
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Posted - 2013.05.23 20:59:00 -
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Doyle Reese wrote:I wouldn't mind some sway on the TAR, it's basically a DMR, which is essentially a Sniper Rifle with shorter range
This will ruin the gun. Sway and other "random" mechanics that take away player skill and throw luck into it isnt the way to balance it. Half the reason you only see snipers hiding in the mountains is because of sway. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
511
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Posted - 2013.05.23 21:51:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
Sorry, but I'm not making a mistake here. None of the weapons you speak of are OP. they all have drawbacks. Flaylock, relatively short range, small clip, limited splash. Nova Knives, melee, nuff said. Forge Guns, slow ROF, limited clip, only available to heavy, thus more difficult aiming, no ADS.
The TAR though, has none of these issues. It has good ROF, high DPS, long range, large clip, ADS, available on any suit, long ass range, aand...easy to use.
Camp at a Drop Uplink with at least an Advanced Level Nova Knife, you're going to one hit, maybe two hit everyone you encounter, I've just seen it done. Forge Guns, fire into a crowd and you're going to at least take two of them down, Flaylocks, get a direct hit, and it's instakill, plus splash damage to any of his buddies around him. TAR, AT LEAST half a clip expired actually trying to hit something in a frantic CQC firefight, and unless you're extremely methodical with longer range shots, you're going to be missing him by a hair.
You describe the situation that favors nova knives the most. That's not OP, that's a niche. The TAR is too good under too many circumstances, that is OP.
For a reference to where I'm coming from : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=782741#post782741 |
Dale Templar
Regime Of Shadow Marines Alpha Wolf Pack
2
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Posted - 2013.05.23 22:34:00 -
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It's just a useful, reliable weapon, it doesn't need changing, people just need to stop whining. It is fine the way it is. |
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