AWOXING
A pretty big topic around these parts and something a lot of people have different opinions on. To be clear we don't want to make this kind of gameplay impossible. However we want to give tools to corporations to help better manage these risks.

In the long term we want to build upon the roles system adding roles to restrict who can enter a battle, who can invite others to battles, and those types of things. That is going to take time but we feel something needs to be added sooner rather than later.

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.

District state upon capture
With the release of planetary conquest when you conquered a district it would immediately be locked and you would have to wait 24 hours before you could do anything. There were several reasons for this including helping deal with the release of all the empty districts and giving the people who just lost the district a bit of a better chance to attack back; the purpose being generating more battles.

Upon monitoring how you guys use the system since release however you have proven there are ways to avoid the second reason and the first reason is... well not much of a concern now.

So we will be changing it so that when you take a district it is in an unlocked and online state instead of locked and online.

When we eventually add a new region we will come up with a better (hopefully :P ) and different way to handle that specific problem.

Just a quick update for you guys. You will however notice I didn't include any dates for this stuff. Basically we will get it out when we can, but these are things we are actively working on.

AWOXING
A pretty big topic around these parts and something a lot of people have different opinions on. To be clear we don't want to make this kind of gameplay impossible. However we want to give tools to corporations to help better manage these risks.

In the long term we want to build upon the roles system adding roles to restrict who can enter a battle, who can invite others to battles, and those types of things. That is going to take time but we feel something needs to be added sooner rather than later.

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.

District state upon capture
With the release of planetary conquest when you conquered a district it would immediately be locked and you would have to wait 24 hours before you could do anything. There were several reasons for this including helping deal with the release of all the empty districts and giving the people who just lost the district a bit of a better chance to attack back; the purpose being generating more battles.

Upon monitoring how you guys use the system since release however you have proven there are ways to avoid the second reason and the first reason is... well not much of a concern now.

So we will be changing it so that when you take a district it is in an unlocked and online state instead of locked and online.

When we eventually add a new region we will come up with a better (hopefully :P ) and different way to handle that specific problem.

Just a quick update for you guys. You will however notice I didn't include any dates for this stuff. Basically we will get it out when we can, but these are things we are actively working on.

AWOXING
A pretty big topic around these parts and something a lot of people have different opinions on. To be clear we don't want to make this kind of gameplay impossible. However we want to give tools to corporations to help better manage these risks.

In the long term we want to build upon the roles system adding roles to restrict who can enter a battle, who can invite others to battles, and those types of things. That is going to take time but we feel something needs to be added sooner rather than later.

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.
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I shall leave you all with this thread for a bit, go play a round of DUST, and then come back to answer any questions. :D

LOLX

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.

AWOXING
A pretty big topic around these parts and something a lot of people have different opinions on. To be clear we don't want to make this kind of gameplay impossible. However we want to give tools to corporations to help better manage these risks.

In the long term we want to build upon the roles system adding roles to restrict who can enter a battle, who can invite others to battles, and those types of things. That is going to take time but we feel something needs to be added sooner rather than later.

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.

Bandaid covering a gash that requires over 500 stitches.

Lag is the 1st concern for PC not AWOXing, well that is what I believe.

I'm honestly somewhat disappointed with this response. It's a bandage to a larger issue that isn't being addressed: Dust Side Director Roles and Corporation Management. At the moment, from DUST side, they are so anemic that they might as well not be there at all. Instead, this seems to be an unnecessary nerf which will only really ignore the real issue that is the root cause of AWOXing.

?'s you may or may not know the answer to:

How long (estimate) will all race dropsuits? Would CCP be down for another optional respec for classes that have missing suits?
Did the office explode when all the bug reports and balance issues came in? Are features being pushed back to work on fixing stuff or is CCP working on both?

SoxFour!!!

That's exactly the right balance, good to see you never went full short socks on that.

Couple questions:

- When can we expect to see these fixes take effect? In the mean time no serious corp is taking new players into their ranks. Not sure if this is how devs want the newplayer experience to be. Want to take part in PC as a new guy? Not gonna happen.

- Is there a time frame on when EVE players can contract DUST mercs? ( Soon = 3-5 months away, not Soon = 6 + months ) and can you give us any idea on how that will work?

- The issue of latency issues in PC, have you guys figured the problem out or are still looking at it?

- How soon will there be 24v24 player lobbies in PC? If at all. Will map size dictate this?

This doesn't solve the issue at all. Put some damn Director Roles in already.

Bandaid covering a gash that requires over 500 stitches.

Lag is the 1st concern for PC not AWOXing, well that is what I believe.

there is a lot more you need to Fix with planetary conquest then that

Edit: Holy blue posts batman, foxfour beat me to it

- No time frame yet, they are being worked on and coming as fast as possible. We wanted to get this information out now though so you guys know we are working on it and also to gather feedback.

- No, no ETA on that yet.

- No ETA on that.

It literally says in the OP that is what we are doing :facepalm:

The real question is timeline for delivery, different features take different amounts of time to create. Anyone with an appreciation for the corporation roles system in EVE might understand the minefield we are stepping into.

Kick from warbarge is not the perfect solution but we can deliver it quickly while we finish up better corporation role management.

So basically everything the blue donut coalition didnt want.

I'm buying you sox and beers.

No worries, the donut shop will be out of business soon(tm)

AWOXING
In the long term we want to build upon the roles system adding roles to restrict who can enter a battle, who can invite others to battles, and those types of things. That is going to take time but we feel something needs to be added sooner rather than later.

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I would rather see the status quo maintained than a hot fix that doesn't fix anything; that historically runs the very real risk of becoming the new normal.
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It would be seriously uncool if you let this quickfix become all you do for us.

I'd rather you did nothing now and just continued forward on proper roles.

FC for taking contracts and kicking players from matches.

Squad Leader for someone that CAN pull people into matches.

The more blue posts the better! :D

Being replaced with another doughnut this time by another alliance? (sorry, I could help myself, as the doughnut is still pretty much a myth)

So in the short term we will be adding the ability for a corporation's CEO and directors to kick players on their team from the battle while in the warbarge. Once in the battle the kick option is no longer available.

I assume this only applies to Dust side directors and CEOs and not EVE directors and CEOs?

The performance concerns are being looked into by lots of people. Putting more people on it is not going to make a fix come any faster. The people best suited to working on a fix are doing so.

Be careful with this CCP.... You can't kick spies from a battle in Eve Online, you can only destroy them...

I don't have an issue with the AWOXing non-sense... I think it's a viable tactic that eventually will force corporations to own up to their mistakes and actively look at who they're recruiting rather than freely accepting everyone, which a lot of the bigger corporations do.

You should be focusing on implementing API keys instead of allowing directors/CEOs to up and kick someone from the battle

PREVENTION, not REACTION. The entire premise of New Eden being dangerous is that you only trust the people who are at arms length and that should never change.

This is a good post. I support this product and/or service.

Be careful with this CCP.... You can't kick spies from a battle in Eve Online, you can only destroy them...

I don't have an issue with the AWOXing non-sense... I think it's a viable tactic that eventually will force corporations to own up to their mistakes and actively look at who they're recruiting rather than freely accepting everyone, which a lot of the bigger corporations do.

You should be focusing on implementing API keys instead of allowing directors/CEOs to up and kick someone from the battle

PREVENTION, not REACTION. The entire premise of New Eden being dangerous is that you only trust the people who are at arms length and that should never change.

Be careful with this CCP.... You can't kick spies from a battle in Eve Online, you can only destroy them...

I don't have an issue with the AWOXing non-sense... I think it's a viable tactic that eventually will force corporations to own up to their mistakes and actively look at who they're recruiting rather than freely accepting everyone, which a lot of the bigger corporations do.

You should be focusing on implementing API keys instead of allowing directors/CEOs to up and kick someone from the battle

PREVENTION, not REACTION. The entire premise of New Eden being dangerous is that you only trust the people who are at arms length and that should never change.

IMHO, your comparison is flawed, and will be flawed, until such a time as DUST becomes an open-world sandbox. If that day comes, then I can see your point that a corp can only limit someone from entering the battlefield if they can fight them off.

Currently PC battles are like gentleman's duals. Two sides agree to fight at a specified time, location, with a limited amount of mercs and clones, for a limited amount of time. Both sides agree to abide by the results of the dual until the next dual is arranged. All other corps are prevented from interfering. After the dual is arranged, the corporation supplies the clones, and the clone spawning mechanism that allows mercenaries to join a battle. So it makes sense that a director in the corporation can prevent someone from entering the battle, or cut them off from more clones once the battle starts. This is very similar to having access controls on corporate hangers or on the Player Owned Starbase. Would you argue that an EVE corporation should not be able to restrict access to corporate assets? Because that is honestly what it sounds like you are saying.

Thank you foxfour.

Promises are not important. Date are not important.

Regular communication is. Treating us likes friends and allies, throwing us small bones of information, making us feel important; these things can be done with just a few paragraphs each week. And forum warriors like myself will spread the word to all our friends in-game. It will keep community moral up and everyone will be happier for it.

So again, thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbar_Fight
Tell me again about how Gentleman's "duels" are supposed to work out? Though actually I would be really happy if I could jump the guys as they leave a district fight and accidentally shoot Jim Bowie.

Edit: The part of Jim Bowie would of course be played by Free Beers.

Post Script: Though sarcastic I'm trying to say that this idea of honorable combat between two entities is hog wash and has no place in New Eden. The culture of E-Bushido was one of the worst things about the early EVE culture, and was primarily a tool used by the powerful to deny asymetric warfare tactics to the new comer or the small competitor. Either through threat of social ostracism or lobbying of developers.

Post Post Script: I am the Lorax; I speak for the Trees Newbies!

While you did mention it, CCP Nullarbor, it wasn't definitive which is where my disappointment with just 'kick' ing as a 'temporary' solution in the warbarge comes in. At the moment, it is already a minefield and requires immediate API release as well as Director and Corporation Management protections a la EvE Online. Having come to appreciate them when I played back in 'the day.'

To exemplify how much of a danger Dust Created Corps by Dust Characters are in because of this minefield and because of a lack of API and real delineated Director Roles here's an example.

Dust Merc 1 creates a corp within Dust using his Dust Character.
He is now CEO and can create Directors. However, you cannot create a Director without making them a Full Director from Dust.

There is no way in which a Dust Character CEO can claim the Shares of a Corporation from Dust; something only Full Directors can do. .

Dust Merc 1, invites Eve Player 2 to his Dust Created Corp and, because he doesn't have access to his corp through an EvE Character, is forced to make the EvE player a Full Director.

EvE Player 2 is now a Full Director and, because of how much more intuitive it is in EvE he is able to claim all the shares of a Corporation and, effectively steal it from the Dust CEO, seizing control. Just because Dust Side Corporation Management is anemic.

This is something that needs immediate attention.

When you create a new corporation with a dust character the shares of the corporation are automatically moved to his character to prevent exactly this, it has been this way since corporation were introduced into Dust. This however does not apply when a Dust character gets appointed CEO to an already established corporation.

When the Dust Ceo then resigns the shares are either moved to the corporation again( if new Ceo is an Eve character) or to the new Ceo( if is dust character).

When you create a new corporation with a dust character the shares of the corporation are automatically moved to his character to prevent exactly this, it has been this way since corporation were introduced into Dust. This however does not apply when a Dust character gets appointed CEO to an already established corporation.

When the Dust Ceo then resigns the shares are either moved to the corporation again( if new Ceo is an Eve character) or to the new Ceo( if is dust character).

I hope it isn't a kick but a ban.

So you don't have to kick them then they just join again and again and again until the battle starts.
And the squad you want in can't join because they bad guys use up the space.

Corps in alliances had to temporarily transfer CEO to EVE characters. That means, the shares would've been released into the corp pool, but not returned to the DUSTie when re-promoted to CEO. Which means every DUST corp in an alliance is vulnerable. And no, not every corp has an EVE character they trust with permanent ownership of shares.

Any news on FW stuff (specifically incentives to play)?

Is it a technical or design decision which means that the kick-and-ban can only be applied whilst waiting in the warbarge? Because I a can already think of a work around to ensure I get a sleeper agent into the match to cause havoc (not posting it for obvious reasons).

Gameplay reasons. :)

So I guess that means I should get a CPM to rely the dirty method so you can reconsider the limitation you've put in place?

That, or start a blog.

So I guess that means I should get a CPM to rely the dirty method so you can reconsider the limitation you've put in place?

That, or start a blog.

I'd refrain from telling the CPM members...we all know what some of them would do with that information.

District state upon capture
With the release of planetary conquest when you conquered a district it would immediately be locked and you would have to wait 24 hours before you could do anything. There were several reasons for this including helping deal with the release of all the empty districts and giving the people who just lost the district a bit of a better chance to attack back; the purpose being generating more battles.

Upon monitoring how you guys use the system since release however you have proven there are ways to avoid the second reason and the first reason is... well not much of a concern now.

So we will be changing it so that when you take a district it is in an unlocked and online state instead of locked and online.

A quick heads up, I stole this from the Odyssey patch notes:

• Districts will now be in an online-unlocked state as of June 4th when captured instead of online-locked.

Odyssey is the EVE Online expansion that launches on June 4th and CCP Nullarbor being awesome, he is snuck... erm included this change.

A quick heads up, I stole this from the Odyssey patch notes:

• Districts will now be in an online-unlocked state as of June 4th when captured instead of online-locked.

Odyssey is the EVE Online expansion that launches on June 4th and CCP Nullarbor being awesome, he is snuck... erm included this change.

It's a kick and ban from that battle.

So has the AWOXing kick from barge option been implemented yet? This is currently the biggest issue with PC battles IMO at the moment.

Really ? Here i was thinking it was the massive framerate issue i get in 70% of my games and the abyssal lag against any us player.

silly me.

No sir, your issue is that you don't reset your machine before PC battles. If you are having massive framerate issues you should try clearing your cache and rebuilding the files for Dust. This usually works.

+1 for the AWOX fix.

+1 for the District fix.

Now if someone would address the aiming issues and Tact. Duvolle supremacy

I didn't even get any love from you FoxFour.

Anyway, is there at least a rough timeline we can expect the director roles to become implemented in? The "hotfix" is not something that should stay longer than a very short amount of time. I can't imagine that taking the way director roles work in EVE and translating them to DUST is that hard save for a few areas.

Also CCP why you refuse to blue up my "Tools to Succeed" thread? It's because I'm Minmatar isn't it?

Derp ignore this post.

Derp ignore this post.

Lag fix.

(Magic words.)

Just remember, there may be more than one thing causing lag. If they say they're fixing an issue that causes lag, don't assume that it's the magic fix that will change everything. Otherwise we get angry threads the next day saying, "CCP YOU SAID YOU'RE DOING X AND IT'S STILL HAPPENING TO ME WTF I QUIT"

Has the hot fix for awoxing been implemented (kicking)? If not can we get a time frame of when it will?

Uprising 1.2, whenever that is deployed.

@Laurent Cazaderon
Have you tried a wired rather than a wireless connection for PC battles? Mine works better when I plug it in. I hear that sometimes replacing your hard drive with a SSD can work better as well. You could also check your ping time to the eve server, excessive latency in your connection may be the problem caused by your ISP or connection speed.

I do notice that after a couple of hours online that there is a latency build up that increases over time. This could be a programming issue associated with whatever data is stored in RAM. They have said they are looking into this and it has gotten a lot better since the uprising release.

Wired connection - check
SSD - check
Connection - fibre optic 27mbps down 8mbps up ping under 50ms
Reboot before PC - check

PC still = slideshow

Wired connection - check
SSD - check
Connection - fibre optic 27mbps down 8mbps up ping under 50ms
Reboot before PC - check

PC still = slideshow

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