DUST Search - Replace AV grenades with sticky C4

Harpyja wrote:

Vermaak Doe wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

The only thing I don't understand is how do they work mechanically different than locus grenades? Meaning, how does an AV grenade magically deal two or three time more damage than a locus grenade? Why not make locus grenades deal 2000 damage as well?

Now if you think a locus grenade dealing 2000 damage is OP, then AV grenades are also OP. They require non-specialized use. An assault or logistics can carry 3 AV grenades and force a HAV to retreat and hide. I'm just saying that if you want to deal massive AV damage, you need a specialized dropsuit.

Make AV grenades as powerful as locus grenades. No mechanical reason why they deal up to three times more damage as locus grenades.

I'm sorry, but is 2000 hp either only a fraction of total hp on a dropsuit or does it take seconds to regenerate?

I'm sorry but explain to me the mechanical difference of a grenade dealing three time more damage, and why it can't be adapted for anti-infantry as well.

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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 94	Posted - 2013.05.20 13:05:00 - [1] - Quote AV nades are the most OP weapon in the game, replacing them with sticky C4 will bring in the game some skilled tactics. Also, C4 would be useful for the demolition of installations.
hydraSlav's Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 124	Posted - 2013.05.20 13:29:00 - [2] - Quote shaman oga wrote: AV nades are the most OP weapon in the game, replacing them with sticky C4 will bring in the game some skilled tactics. Also, C4 would be useful for the demolition of installations. Jihad jeeps 4TW!
Wojciak Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 20	Posted - 2013.05.20 13:32:00 - [3] - Quote hydraSlav's wrote: shaman oga wrote: AV nades are the most OP weapon in the game, replacing them with sticky C4 will bring in the game some skilled tactics. Also, C4 would be useful for the demolition of installations. Jihad jeeps 4TW! That was my favorite thing to do in Far Cry 3
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:22:00 - [4] - Quote sorry, no, AV grenades are NOT in any way OP, they are something called a purpose built tool. y'see, AV grenades are only good against VEHICLES, and can only substantialy hurt said things, and do not do anything anywhere else, they dont hurt installations, they cant blow up at infantry's feet, they are built as designed. if you really think we should be limited to jsut Locus grenades, you're an idiot
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 333	Posted - 2013.05.20 15:31:00 - [5] - Quote I believe people have been requesting "sticky" variants to the remote explosives for quite awhile now. And I agree, they should be there.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.05.20 16:51:00 - [6] - Quote Rachoi wrote: sorry, no, AV grenades are NOT in any way OP, they are something called a purpose built tool. y'see, AV grenades are only good against VEHICLES, and can only substantialy hurt said things, and do not do anything anywhere else, they dont hurt installations, they cant blow up at infantry's feet, they are built as designed. if you really think we should be limited to jsut Locus grenades, you're an idiot You will have locus, flux and C4, if you really think it will limit you, you're an idiot
Spy Mouse Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 42	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:41:00 - [7] - Quote shaman oga wrote: AV nades are the most OP weapon in the game, replacing them with sticky C4 will bring in the game some skilled tactics. Also, C4 would be useful for the demolition of installations. 3 remote explosives can take out a turret installation.
Sebrone Jamleux Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.20 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote Why do you think AV nades are OP? Because they kill your Starter LAV in one hit?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 96	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:04:00 - [9] - Quote Sebrone Jamleux wrote: Why do you think AV nades are OP? Because they kill your Starter LAV in one hit? They require no skill, you just throw and forget, and they do an extraordinary amount of damage for a grenade. Why a grenade as big as locus should do a ridiculous amount of damage?
usrevenge2 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 84	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:14:00 - [10] - Quote c4 is a terrible idea in pretty much every game it's been implemented in ever. it's either dead useless or brokenly over powered. also they have/had detonator packs already.

BOZ MR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 148	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:18:00 - [11] - Quote Rachoi wrote: sorry, no, AV grenades are NOT in any way OP, they are something called a purpose built tool. y'see, AV grenades are only good against VEHICLES, and can only substantialy hurt said things, and do not do anything anywhere else, they dont hurt installations, they cant blow up at infantry's feet, they are built as designed. if you really think we should be limited to jsut Locus grenades, you're an idiot This is a person of ignorance specifically designed to be an 1d10t. Two swarm volleys can deal 10,000 (10K for all the stup7d out there) with 4 damage mods and you say AV grenade is the only thing that works? Do us a favor, never reply to any thread again. We don't need dumb@sses in here, we have enough of them.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 12	Posted - 2013.05.20 22:40:00 - [12] - Quote rnt remote explives technically c4? just remove the homming part of av nades and reduce the damage by half and increase swarm launcher damage to compensate for it...
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 97	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:11:00 - [13] - Quote If you think that an AV nade is as big as standard locus and it does all that damage, then you will ask yourself: why my locus is so under powered? then you realize that locus are not under powered, they are fine, and in a logical consequences AV are OP and they should not exist as grenade, all the AV weapons are big for a reason. FG the biggest and heaviest, SL light but big, Plasma Cannon light but big, AV nade small and OP. AV nades are a cheat button inserted by CCP, they shouldn't exist in a balanced game. I'm a tanker on my alt and i'm an assault on this PG, but i will always say that AV nades are OP. I use them because they are there, but i admit that i'm not a skilled player if a use them to kill a tank. Forge gunner are good players, forge gun is very powerfull but it requires some skill to be used.
slypie11 Planetary Response Organisation 293	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:17:00 - [14] - Quote shaman oga wrote: If you think that an AV nade is as big as standard locus and it does all that damage, then you will ask yourself: why my locus is so under powered? then you realize that locus are not under powered, they are fine, and in a logical consequences AV are OP and they should not exist as grenade, all the AV weapons are big for a reason. FG the biggest and heaviest, SL light but big, Plasma Cannon light but big, AV nade small and OP. AV nades are a cheat button inserted by CCP, they shouldn't exist in a balanced game. I'm a tanker on my alt and i'm an assault on this PG, but i will always say that AV nades are OP. I use them because they are there, but i admit that i'm not a skilled player if a use them to kill a tank. Forge gunner are good players, forge gun is very powerfull but it requires some skill to be used. It doesn't do much damage, the problem you're facing is spamming them with a nanohive. Also, AV grenades might make sense if they are magnetized or heat seeking with an internal gyroscope and then impact on its front while releasing a shaped charge.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire 576	Posted - 2013.05.20 23:26:00 - [15] - Quote u stole my idea!!! look on feedback page
Rachoi HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2013.05.21 00:11:00 - [16] - Quote BOZ MR wrote: Rachoi wrote: sorry, no, AV grenades are NOT in any way OP, they are something called a purpose built tool. y'see, AV grenades are only good against VEHICLES, and can only substantialy hurt said things, and do not do anything anywhere else, they dont hurt installations, they cant blow up at infantry's feet, they are built as designed. if you really think we should be limited to jsut Locus grenades, you're an idiot This is a person of ignorance specifically designed to be an 1d10t. Two swarm volleys can deal 10,000 (10K for all the stup7d out there) with 4 damage mods and you say AV grenade is the only thing that works? Do us a favor, never reply to any thread again. We don't need dumb@sses in here, we have enough of them. would you kindly chill the rage, please. Swarms, and AV grenades are purpose built.... and i do know that Swarms are supposed to be better than AV-G. also, i dont have the painful reliance on damage mods, cant stand hearing about more than two on any suit. i have spec'd into Swarms, because lord knows there are times when you NEED them. side note...i'd rather like to give tanks a 5-10% hp boost...
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 98	Posted - 2013.05.21 10:57:00 - [17] - Quote @rachoi: don't use words like "idiot" and there will be no rage
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:33:00 - [18] - Quote Don't whine after you call someone an idiot and they do the same, we already have remote explosives, that's why we don't need Av nades to change.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:38:00 - [19] - Quote The only thing I don't understand is how do they work mechanically different than locus grenades? Meaning, how does an AV grenade magically deal two or three time more damage than a locus grenade? Why not make locus grenades deal 2000 damage as well? Now if you think a locus grenade dealing 2000 damage is OP, then AV grenades are also OP. They require non-specialized use. An assault or logistics can carry 3 AV grenades and force a HAV to retreat and hide. I'm just saying that if you want to deal massive AV damage, you need a specialized dropsuit. Make AV grenades as powerful as locus grenades. No mechanical reason why they deal up to three times more damage as locus grenades.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 28	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:38:00 - [20] - Quote AV nades are mostly fine and needed especially with the new SP requirements for just basic stuff. In Chromosome it wasn't a big Problem to skill a AV Weapon as secondary but now it's just too SP expensive for most people. Also AV nades are the only real counter to LAV running peaple over, with the new HP buff you now need more than one packed AV nade to kill even the free starter LAV thats not really OP. But i could agree if AV nades would do slightly less Damage to tanks.

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 98	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:39:00 - [21] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Don't whine after you call someone an idiot and they do the same, we already have remote explosives, that's why we don't need Av nades to change. he has started, you should read before leave comments
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:41:00 - [22] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Rachoi wrote: sorry, no, AV grenades are NOT in any way OP, they are something called a purpose built tool. y'see, AV grenades are only good against VEHICLES, and can only substantialy hurt said things, and do not do anything anywhere else, they dont hurt installations, they cant blow up at infantry's feet, they are built as designed. if you really think we should be limited to jsut Locus grenades, you're an idiot You will have locus, flux and C4, if you really think it will limit you, you're an idiot You're clearly the idiot in this case, in multiple ways.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:43:00 - [23] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The only thing I don't understand is how do they work mechanically different than locus grenades? Meaning, how does an AV grenade magically deal two or three time more damage than a locus grenade? Why not make locus grenades deal 2000 damage as well? Now if you think a locus grenade dealing 2000 damage is OP, then AV grenades are also OP. They require non-specialized use. An assault or logistics can carry 3 AV grenades and force a HAV to retreat and hide. I'm just saying that if you want to deal massive AV damage, you need a specialized dropsuit. Make AV grenades as powerful as locus grenades. No mechanical reason why they deal up to three times more damage as locus grenades. I'm sorry, but is 2000 hp either only a fraction of total hp on a dropsuit or does it take seconds to regenerate?
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:50:00 - [24] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Harpyja wrote: The only thing I don't understand is how do they work mechanically different than locus grenades? Meaning, how does an AV grenade magically deal two or three time more damage than a locus grenade? Why not make locus grenades deal 2000 damage as well? Now if you think a locus grenade dealing 2000 damage is OP, then AV grenades are also OP. They require non-specialized use. An assault or logistics can carry 3 AV grenades and force a HAV to retreat and hide. I'm just saying that if you want to deal massive AV damage, you need a specialized dropsuit. Make AV grenades as powerful as locus grenades. No mechanical reason why they deal up to three times more damage as locus grenades. I'm sorry, but is 2000 hp either only a fraction of total hp on a dropsuit or does it take seconds to regenerate? I'm sorry but explain to me the mechanical difference of a grenade dealing three time more damage, and why it can't be adapted for anti-infantry as well.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.21 11:54:00 - [25] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Harpyja wrote: The only thing I don't understand is how do they work mechanically different than locus grenades? Meaning, how does an AV grenade magically deal two or three time more damage than a locus grenade? Why not make locus grenades deal 2000 damage as well? Now if you think a locus grenade dealing 2000 damage is OP, then AV grenades are also OP. They require non-specialized use. An assault or logistics can carry 3 AV grenades and force a HAV to retreat and hide. I'm just saying that if you want to deal massive AV damage, you need a specialized dropsuit. Make AV grenades as powerful as locus grenades. No mechanical reason why they deal up to three times more damage as locus grenades. I'm sorry, but is 2000 hp either only a fraction of total hp on a dropsuit or does it take seconds to regenerate? I'm sorry but explain to me the mechanical difference of a grenade dealing three time more damage, and why it can't be adapted for anti-infantry as well. One simple word, balance
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 98	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:06:00 - [26] - Quote [quote=Vermaak Doe One simple word, balance [/quote] You are the only one who whines, AV nades are not balanced. You should put some arguments in your favor or remain a whiner.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 83	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:08:00 - [27] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: I believe people have been requesting "sticky" variants to the remote explosives for quite awhile now. And I agree, they should be there. millenia into the future they will lose the ability to have sticky explosives. They will forget about AP mines. hell, they can travel the stars, but lost the technology to make a weapon fire more than 30 ft.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:13:00 - [28] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: AV nades are mostly fine and needed especially with the new SP requirements for just basic stuff. In Chromosome it wasn't a big Problem to skill a AV Weapon as secondary but now it's just too SP expensive for most people. Also AV nades are the only real counter to LAV running peaple over, with the new HP buff you now need more than one packed AV nade to kill even the free starter LAV thats not really OP. But i could agree if AV nades would do slightly less Damage to tanks. I would agree if CCP made LAVs more susceptible to explosive and kinetic damage, given their light frames. Then they can reduce the damage AV grenades deal without eliminating peoples' abilities to take out free death cabs.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 730	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:14:00 - [29] - Quote shaman oga wrote: [quote=Vermaak Doe One simple word, balance You are the only one who whines, AV nades are not balanced. You should put some arguments in your favor or remain a whiner.[/quote] What are you, the perfect example of an idiot? You made this whine thread, you asked to change Av nades even though we already.have remote explosives yet you call me a whinner? I'm sure you're not an idiot now, you're damn near slow.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 285	Posted - 2013.05.21 12:27:00 - [30] - Quote AV nades need nerfing until actual Proto tanks come out. 4k a grenade is a bit silly and totally nerfs all other AV and vehicles. But it will never be fix'd because the people CCP listen to will never bring up how OP they really are.



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