I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics.

Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics.

had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win

No.

If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis*

You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness.

Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above.

*Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.*

And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed.

It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving.

I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards.

So damn the game, damn it's future, damn good first impressions and let's just fu*k any kind of first impression for newbies because you won a match in video game?

Short sighted much?

I agree but friendly fire is off derps. If not newb berrys would be shooting u more then ud be worried bout lav. But either way cover is ur friend, even heavies use cover if they are smart if u stand in the open all the time u must lose alot of suits.

LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win

When jeeps take 5 packed AV grenades, you know there's a problem. It's a LIGHT armoured vehicle. Not the grim reapers combine harvester. I quit after a game vs some scrub in my corp, because after the game I went to the forums, and saw the vehicle buff...

CCP just don't know wtf they're doing.

Tony, Tony, Tony. You said you deleted DUST from your PS3 several days ago. I'm beginning to think you lied to us on the Internet. For shame!

Free LAVs don't take 5 grenades to kill. For starters, everyone who doesn't run with a squad at all times should have Grenadier 3 trained and carry advanced EX-0 AV nades at a minimum. They have better splash damage, can be thrown farther, and home in better than packed AV. I carry Locus only when I am spawning into CQC areas. LAVs that take multiple advanced AV to the face typically are skilled up and properly fit. Some tanks can be taken out with fewer than 5 AV grenades.

LAV stunt drivers are not hard to counter. That said, I can't imagine Cub's forge not decimating an LAV as OHK. That must have been wonky hit detection or lag.

Scroll up and read my posts. You think it makes sense you can survive a rocket to the face and 3 magazines of bullets traveling in excess of 800 Feet Per Second, but one graze of a car that seems to bearly keep it's OWN WEIGHT on the ground should kill someone?

A ton? Please. The thing pretty much floats away when it crosses it hill. It looks like it weighs about 2Kg and is full of hellium.

Consistency is needed. It lacks.

Now HTFU.

Get out of the car and learn to play, son. Stop advocating a play style that hurts the game.

You can throw your science around all day... but in game you can survive a single metal slug that weighs the same as a truck dropped directly on your head from orbit (At least once. Those orbital barrages don't insta-splat)

So damn the game, damn it's future, damn good first impressions and let's just fu*k any kind of first impression for newbies because you won a match in video game?

Short sighted much?

I think the main problem here is that there is no penalty for running someone over.

While I do not think the LAV needs to come to an abrupt stop, it would make sense to roll or bounce the vehicle over the target potentially giving that targets teammates a better window to destroy the vehicle. This of course should be scaled to reflect the size of the victims suit;

scouts have no penalty,
medium frames will 'bounce' or sometimes roll the vehicle with a speed penalty,
heavy frames cause a significant speed penalty and high chance to roll

I think LAVs should be remain capable of OHK'ing everyone when at high speed except a well fit heavy. It would be nice if there was some sort of animation for being knocked down.

Its not just one thing.. its multiple

1 - Hit detection is just funny. Anywhere near the LAV will killyou
2 - AV grenades are feather dusters now
3 - Vehicles are ninjas so you cant see them coming

Impact damage needs to be lower and much more consistent. you can hit someone goign slow and it kills them.

No reason a free LAV shouldnt a OHK with even the first AV nade. u want something better upgrade your own.

Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.

Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.

So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely....

OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that.

When jeeps take 5 packed AV grenades, you know there's a problem. It's a LIGHT armoured vehicle. Not the grim reapers combine harvester. I quit after a game vs some scrub in my corp, because after the game I went to the forums, and saw the vehicle buff...

CCP just don't know wtf they're doing.

I personally think there should be no infinite militia LAV. I think there should be at least SOME ISK penalty for spamming LAV, even if it wouldn't drastically impact people with major banks, OR some sort of limit as to how many LAV can even be called per match/at one time. The need for LAV on a battlefield is not so high that there should be an infinite model and it definitely encourages DeathRace 2000 for people on the field. This combined with the higher HP for LAV, making them harder to deal with in a pinch if you dont have at LEAST AV grenades on you (the new model takes 2). Hear hear to the OP

Free LAVs need to go.

OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that.

I like to play a game where sometimes, I see how close I can get to the ground before activating the damper in order to negate the impact force. Once, I missed, and trust me, it was very similar to getting hit by a tank. You can "brush off and walk away from that" because that's what dampers are for.

I don't know how you lot are managing to get hit by LAVs in the first place. It's not like if you're running across open ground, you don't check your surroundings. Or maybe it is... who knows.

I saw this thread and thought it had something to do with the rash of mass LAV racing lately... shame, I'd like to have heard more on that.

Your talking about an inertial dampener. Sounds good to me. One problem for you though, you have to activate it, and it isn't going to do a world of good for you when I plow you from behind because you weren't looking, and it can't last for ever in face to face confrontations.

it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. .

Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.

I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less.

It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs

I fear you are right

Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you?

Heres why............................

I dont like driving games... If i did i would be playing GTA, this is an FPS

I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less.

At the very least I think it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. I'm wearing armour that can stop lasers, rockets, grenades and bullets travelling CONSIDERABLY faster than a car.

It makes NO SENSE that such powerful armour would be utterly ruined by the graze from a car. I mean a guy in modern day wearing some leather pants and a plastic hat can survive falling off a speeding motorbike.

Please fix CCP? It's blatantly a problem.

You can expect the Grand Prix to occur some time next month courtesy of Bojo's Grand Bazaar. Betting will occur and tracks are being mapped out right now.

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

I have never seen any LAVs ever EAT 5 AV nades. Now dodging them is another question for a later day but 5 direct hits usually would kill most tanks even.

At the very least I think it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. I'm wearing armour that can stop lasers, rockets, grenades and bullets travelling CONSIDERABLY faster than a car.

It makes NO SENSE that such powerful armour would be utterly ruined by the graze from a car. I mean a guy in modern day wearing some leather pants and a plastic hat can survive falling off a speeding motorbike.

Please fix CCP? It's blatantly a problem.

What annoys me more than getting ran over is when I call in an LAV and some blue berry jumps in and steals it! Granted it is free but everyone has them call in your own ride!

Not only do I not want LAV damage to be decreased but I want Ragdoll physics. If you get hit by a LAV I want to see some bodies go flying!

Also, add modules we can fit onto our LAV, like Chainsaws and Lazerblades on the front ! I want Red and Blueberries pieces flying everywhere.

Create a squad and it will be locked for your squad for a few seconds.... wait for it.... wait for it.... RTFM!

Ok so there is no manual but how could you not know this already?

a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.

a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.

a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.

a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.

I can get behind this. Just need to be able to field them without having to fit a turret. Not saying I wouldn't buy turrets, just that there are some things where... don't really need a turret.

I've never had trouble with vehicles until recently but now it's getting out of hand.

The game I just finished you couldn't go more than a minute before someone in a car peeled around the corner, flipped over twice and then righted itself perfectly fine and mowed you down.

If you're going to have instant kill death machines on wheels at least balance them with realistic mechanics. You flip your car over? It stays flipped over unless you get people help flip it upright, no more of this automatic righting stuff. You smash into a wall to nail someone? You take damage equal to just ramming your vehicle's engine into a solid wall.

This.

By "some things" you wouldn't happen to mean hit and runs would you?

im not arguing something getting 1 shot or 2 shot etc.

Im saying I have you dead in my sights, and do ZERO damage...

ok u are right in front of me, I forge you, your call surives but is low on HP and then I get run over... no complaint aside from the driver being a $%#^ for driving...

im saying the framerate (or something else going on) doesn't even register the fact that I made contact and did damage to your vehicle. This isn't an isolated scenario as pretty much any LAV that is in motion I have this issue with.

I'm not complaining about the HP buff, increased survivability or anything, just the fact that 2k+ dmg on a direct hit and it doesn't affect the health bar of the target.

and yes im sure there is a nice contingent that enjoys 'running me over' and just killing me in general. I don't think you can grasp the amount of mails I get when someone kills me.. they often feel inclined to inform me lol.

I understand that and am fine with it, I just want this issue addressed. At distance all LAVs teleport... no smooth framerate at all

Adding my Input as I feel bad for Tony.

LAVs seem to have been overbuffed. It's very easy for me to soak up damage in a LLAV, to the point where I'm actually more tanky than a Tank (I prefer using the LAV to assault infantry over my Gunnlogi)

Iron Wolf, I want you to squad up with me sometime, I will show you how I eat around 5 AV grenades or two forge blasts or w.e whilst continuing to run over the AVers. It's at the point now where I take about 100 damage per swarm missile (so about 400 or so).

The Free LAVs are not a massive problem, they are too strong for what they are though. I have a very simple solution, tweak the HP buffs on the LAVs slightly, work with the LLAVs resists. Remove the free fits we have. You cannot demand the Free LAV to be removed but be okay with the free AV weapons. Instead, give players one suit depending on their race, with their races Militia Assault Rifle. No module slots or equipment, meaning they can shoot but aren't useful till they work out the market system and get involved. Then remove the free LAV. It's fair.

its a sad day when us tanker get more kills and higher survivability rate just running people over ina lav

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles.

You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective!

Stupid post is stupid.

LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win

Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles.

You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective!

Stupid post is stupid.

I have never seen any LAVs ever EAT 5 AV nades. Now dodging them is another question for a later day but 5 direct hits usually would kill most tanks even.

This. This mentality right here is why allowing a stupid mechanic like easy LAV kills will hurt the game. These ppl like the above poster completely miss the point because they are too busy worrying about the in-game action to pay attention to the product.

I don't recall Dust being promoted as a crash up derby game. I was sold on a combat game. I want my war game back. LAV wars are getting to be far to prevalent. If you put an idiotic mechanic in the game then you attract the idiots.

Protip: Learn to shoot like a white boy or GTFO.

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

nope. i think we should all keep spamming them until CCP gets the idea that their system is broken. people wouldnt be using them as much if they simply fixed aiming, nerfed TAR's, and hadnt screwed with lav's by buffing their hp.

CCP's fault, let them fix it. by exploiting broken game mechanics we are sending a message that something is wrong.

Haha ok kid anytime u want a firefight Id be glad to gun u down, if I want to actually take a break from pub stomping and PC and deive in my Lav on an alt character and run fools over for lawls hha dmn right I will. Doesnt mean I cant shoot please test this and find me in a match sometime. Btw my lav is more used then just running kiddies over I actually shuttle my squad from points and use it to road block engagements and funnel points because it doesnt die in 2 av so please just stop whinning and l2p before u hate on people with godly lav builds

Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.

Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.

So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely....

lol.. so many butthurt CoD fan bois that it is just LOL I hate LAVs because it forces me to play better and pay more attention then what im shooting. well adopt or die it not like LAVs are new.

I don't know why you guys are crying about LAVs, they still pop like zits if you hit em' with a swarm launcher. Everyone is practically making the same mistake we did at the beginning of chrome and neglecting AV.

lol, go ahead and get rid of the free LAVs, you'll just QQ once people start buying the BPOs

Translation: I pledge allegiance to CCP and everything they do no matter what. I can't shoot so I will ride around in a car and ignore what the game is supposed to be. Without my easy mode game mechanic I would not get any kills. Therefore I shall dismiss a problem as it makes me look leet.


There *fixed.

I personally think there should be no infinite militia LAV. I think there should be at least SOME ISK penalty for spamming LAV, even if it wouldn't drastically impact people with major banks, OR some sort of limit as to how many LAV can even be called per match/at one time. The need for LAV on a battlefield is not so high that there should be an infinite model and it definitely encourages DeathRace 2000 for people on the field. This combined with the higher HP for LAV, making them harder to deal with in a pinch if you dont have at LEAST AV grenades on you (the new model takes 2). Hear hear to the OP

You people are just mad, that no matter how much armor your wearing... No matter how better your guns are.. You're not invincible, die like everyone else & accept your death. Don't spend countless hours whining about how a noob took you out because he had no other way to kill a proto suite. Accept death or die morbid.
They have to take it every time you proto armor/weapon guys over powers them.
You don't see anyone posting on forums saying we need a complete skill RESET, because it is unfair that people got to take everything from beta & carry it over to the final release of this game!!
Which would make the universe a lot more fair in my opinion.
You know what I'm going to mention this in my next forum post.
Say goodbye to everything you own & a full scale game reset!
Like most games do when a new game is fully released! x)

You're dumb

I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.

Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..

Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).

At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.

I would say require the LAV to be moving at far higher speed to achieve a one-hit-kill, and make the LAV take a large fraction of the damage they cause to the suit they hit.

If you think about it, smacking your vehicle repeatedly into heavily armored and shielded infantry should start tearing it up.