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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:

EverNub wrote:

CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:

had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...

LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win

This. This mentality right here is why allowing a stupid mechanic like easy LAV kills will hurt the game. These ppl like the above poster completely miss the point because they are too busy worrying about the in-game action to pay attention to the product.

I don't recall Dust being promoted as a crash up derby game. I was sold on a combat game. I want my war game back. LAV wars are getting to be far to prevalent. If you put an idiotic mechanic in the game then you attract the idiots.

Protip: Learn to shoot like a white boy or GTFO.

Haha ok kid anytime u want a firefight Id be glad to gun u down, if I want to actually take a break from pub stomping and PC and deive in my Lav on an alt character and run fools over for lawls hha dmn right I will. Doesnt mean I cant shoot please test this and find me in a match sometime. Btw my lav is more used then just running kiddies over I actually shuttle my squad from points and use it to road block engagements and funnel points because it doesnt die in 2 av so please just stop whinning and l2p before u hate on people with godly lav builds

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Byozuma Kegawa The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 28	Posted - 2013.05.15 20:56:00 - [91] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets. I can get behind this. Just need to be able to field them without having to fit a turret. Not saying I wouldn't buy turrets, just that there are some things where... don't really need a turret. This. By "some things" you wouldn't happen to mean hit and runs would you? Actually... no. I'm not sure how popular it'd be here but in Warhawk there'd be the occasional sponsored race where players would hop into the ubiquitous warhawks and fly around the map in laps. Recently I've seen people doing this with LAVs in Ambushes. A squad of LAVs just driving around the map in predictable patterns you could orbital on. No need for a turret there, I'd think.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 170	Posted - 2013.05.15 22:40:00 - [92] - Quote Supporting the opinion of no more free LAV's in game anymore. What is the point really.? Having them just reduces incentive to Skill into them anyway. Make it a viable vocation to be an LAV driver...with purpose. Other than some scrub who just wants to run around and taking people out with what is arguably the cheapest one hit kill weapon in the game that doesn't cost a single ISK. Militia LAV's are in the Market. Let players start paying for them. Between those and all the BPO LAV's out there I doubt they will just "disappear" from the battlefield.. Militia LAV......too much reward with ZERO risk. Sounds out of place to me.
Dusty Nelson The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 3	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:50:00 - [93] - Quote +1 Support the removal of the Free LAV!
Polish Hammer Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy 406	Posted - 2013.05.15 23:58:00 - [94] - Quote Free forge kills
flesth Red Star. EoN. 28	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:05:00 - [95] - Quote i love driving around and running people over, hey there a red dot out in the open , foot down boom , btw, 1st rule on ground , Look left and right and you be fine , always armed with AV nades lav drivers look out for forge gun , av nades, tankers so there is a risk too for drivers ,
Akhi Rhise Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2013.05.16 00:10:00 - [96] - Quote We're these goddamned armored suits that can withstand two sniper bullets at the very least, but can't handle ONE hit by a vehicle going CONSIDERABLY SLOWER. Doesn't make sense at all. Someone at CCP isn't doing their math.
EverNub IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:24:00 - [97] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: EverNub wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over... LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win im not arguing something getting 1 shot or 2 shot etc. Im saying I have you dead in my sights, and do ZERO damage... ok u are right in front of me, I forge you, your call surives but is low on HP and then I get run over... no complaint aside from the driver being a $%#^ for driving... im saying the framerate (or something else going on) doesn't even register the fact that I made contact and did damage to your vehicle. This isn't an isolated scenario as pretty much any LAV that is in motion I have this issue with. I'm not complaining about the HP buff, increased survivability or anything, just the fact that 2k+ dmg on a direct hit and it doesn't affect the health bar of the target. and yes im sure there is a nice contingent that enjoys 'running me over' and just killing me in general. I don't think you can grasp the amount of mails I get when someone kills me.. they often feel inclined to inform me lol. I understand that and am fine with it, I just want this issue addressed. At distance all LAVs teleport... no smooth framerate at all Yah unfortunately ccp cant figure out basic stuff like framerate or hit detection I agree. But damn did they fix me going behind the score board....game changer I know!
Aisha Ctarl The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 61	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:41:00 - [98] - Quote We need armor lock.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 457	Posted - 2013.05.16 01:57:00 - [99] - Quote You people are dumb, they shouldn't remove free LAVs because there's going to be STD BPOs. So you're all saying it's okay if you spam zero risk LAVS as long as you pay for the ability to spam them indefinitely right? Your "no risk" argument goes out the window the instant you bring BPOs into this. They will never remove the free starter vehicle, they might change it, but not remove it. Get over it.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. 158	Posted - 2013.05.16 10:03:00 - [100] - Quote How about we have to pay to move the vehicles into a battlezone much like we do with clones to a district?

Corpse Raider The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:01:00 - [101] - Quote I have fun running people over (or at least trying to, I'm a terrible driver), and I have fun dodging vehicles. In my Dragonfly with KC, I can jump right over a LAV and had a 2-minute "dodge war" with an LAV a few days ago that was fun. :) I have just one complaint with the carmageddon mechanic... I can try to jump out of the way, spin round to see the LAV below me and impact where my foot is at 30mph. Currently this is an instant kill. Much of the QQing could be reduced by scaling the damage based on how the victim is evading. If jumping then the damage should be scaled depending how far off the ground the player is. If on the ground, the victim should be paste (except maybe well-tanked heavies), but if actively evading then the evasion should be rewarded with reduced damage based on the level of success (ie. the height of the jump at the time of impact). If a victim is dumb enough to ignore the engine sound of a LAV when no friendly LAV is on the scanner then they deserve to be paste, if they are squashed into a wall they should be paste, if they evade then they should be rewarded based on the success of their evasion. They should not be insta-killed by having an LAV hit their foot at 30mph. There is no need to nerf LAVs, please stop calling for the nerfhammer to be brought down on everything folks. If the impact mechanic is broken then that should be fixed, not some random other part of vehicle mechanics.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 967	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:24:00 - [102] - Quote I don't know why you guys are crying about LAVs, they still pop like zits if you hit em' with a swarm launcher. Everyone is practically making the same mistake we did at the beginning of chrome and neglecting AV. FYI in case if you didn't know, the LAV skills are linked to the HAV and derpship ones, so they can make some pretty beefy LAVs that don't go down to AV nades that easily. If you want to kill vehicles, you better give up your light slot and spec into something to blow them up. CCP swung the nerf bat once, and last time I checked, LAVs aren't heavies, so I doubt they'll swing it again. Edit: Not sure if proxy mines got buffed since I don't have enough SP to get them back again.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1100	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:52:00 - [103] - Quote Adding my Input as I feel bad for Tony. LAVs seem to have been overbuffed. It's very easy for me to soak up damage in a LLAV, to the point where I'm actually more tanky than a Tank (I prefer using the LAV to assault infantry over my Gunnlogi) Iron Wolf, I want you to squad up with me sometime, I will show you how I eat around 5 AV grenades or two forge blasts or w.e whilst continuing to run over the AVers. It's at the point now where I take about 100 damage per swarm missile (so about 400 or so). The Free LAVs are not a massive problem, they are too strong for what they are though. I have a very simple solution, tweak the HP buffs on the LAVs slightly, work with the LLAVs resists. Remove the free fits we have. You cannot demand the Free LAV to be removed but be okay with the free AV weapons. Instead, give players one suit depending on their race, with their races Militia Assault Rifle. No module slots or equipment, meaning they can shoot but aren't useful till they work out the market system and get involved. Then remove the free LAV. It's fair. Edit: Also CCP needs to work on hit detection, I managed to get a 4m kill using just an LAV, explain that.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:54:00 - [104] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Adding my Input as I feel bad for Tony. LAVs seem to have been overbuffed. It's very easy for me to soak up damage in a LLAV, to the point where I'm actually more tanky than a Tank (I prefer using the LAV to assault infantry over my Gunnlogi) Iron Wolf, I want you to squad up with me sometime, I will show you how I eat around 5 AV grenades or two forge blasts or w.e whilst continuing to run over the AVers. It's at the point now where I take about 100 damage per swarm missile (so about 400 or so). The Free LAVs are not a massive problem, they are too strong for what they are though. I have a very simple solution, tweak the HP buffs on the LAVs slightly, work with the LLAVs resists. Remove the free fits we have. You cannot demand the Free LAV to be removed but be okay with the free AV weapons. Instead, give players one suit depending on their race, with their races Militia Assault Rifle. No module slots or equipment, meaning they can shoot but aren't useful till they work out the market system and get involved. Then remove the free LAV. It's fair. i concur jason ...my charybdis eat av wayyyy better than my gunlogi
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:54:00 - [105] - Quote its a sad day when us tanker get more kills and higher survivability rate just running people over ina lav
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1100	Posted - 2013.05.16 11:56:00 - [106] - Quote ImpureMort wrote: its a sad day when us tanker get more kills and higher survivability rate just running people over ina lav Super easy. 37/0 with 120k damage done in a single domination match, didn't come close to losing it.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Unclaimed. 905	Posted - 2013.05.16 12:06:00 - [107] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. So you think that a 2 ton vehicle should not kill a merc on foot? Lol An easy way around not being killed by lav is to check map before respawn. Don't spawn where there's lav's rushing around. Spawn with swarm launcher and go to their location and take em out. Worked for me this past year.
Vethosis BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 33	Posted - 2013.05.16 12:34:00 - [108] - Quote Carry AV's around? As a LAV driver, we go through lots of obstacles to run you over. It is very hard to drive LAV's now since the new controls. Good LAV drivers will only stay in one area because the other areas might have turrets. LAV's make a sound heard miles around, if your volume is up, you should hear one coming. ^ Best tip I have.
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet 22	Posted - 2013.05.16 12:42:00 - [109] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles. You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective! Stupid post is stupid.
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 52	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:04:00 - [110] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles. You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective! Stupid post is stupid. Judging by the likes this post has got (mainly in favour of doing something about the situation) I'm not the only one concerned with how this have become mainly since Uprising and the broker shooter mechanics... And lets get this straight... My main problem is with abuse of LAV's as free kills and interrupting game flow, not smashing the nerf hammer. So pick up your pokeballs and head off... tata.... Lets try and leave real world phsyics out of a game shall we.

Operative 1171 Aajli PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:04:00 - [111] - Quote EverNub wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over... LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win This. This mentality right here is why allowing a stupid mechanic like easy LAV kills will hurt the game. These ppl like the above poster completely miss the point because they are too busy worrying about the in-game action to pay attention to the product. I don't recall Dust being promoted as a crash up derby game. I was sold on a combat game. I want my war game back. LAV wars are getting to be far to prevalent. If you put an idiotic mechanic in the game then you attract the idiots. Protip: Learn to shoot like a white boy or GTFO.
Operative 1171 Aajli PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:07:00 - [112] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. Why don't you go outside and try geting hit by a car - Let me know how well you survive it. And no - body armor is not designed to stop impacts by multi-ton vehicles. You want to know how not to get run over by a LAV driver? Here's a hint - PAY ATTENTION. Most if not all collisions can be avoided by simply having a heartbeat and stepping out of the way. It's not that hard. For bonus points, combine well-thrown AV grenades with sidestepping. It's super effective! Stupid post is stupid. This one too. Wake up fanboys. Worry about the product and not your own little Lols.
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 52	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:53:00 - [113] - Quote 135 likes and not a single piece of Dev input as yet!!! For shame CCP..... For Shame.....
EverNub IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:53:00 - [114] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have never seen any LAVs ever EAT 5 AV nades. Now dodging them is another question for a later day but 5 direct hits usually would kill most tanks even. Idk bout that my alt put 4mil SP into ONLY LAVs. It has 4k total hp with hardners and resistance amplifiers...its stronger then half the tanks I see these days. I can take quite a few AVs now if were talking lai dai packs idk the exact amount I might test this actually but even those hacked exo's barely scratch it even without the hardner on. Ive actually killed a few tanks 1v1 when I use my proto missles but I prefer my ion blasters . Also great for running down tanks with a group of 3 AV guys tanks just run hahah so amusing if I dare say. Now kids using these pintos yah they suck and cant drive anyways just av them enough times and theyll give up, but when I lose 1 car every 5-10 matches why would I not keep stacking money specially when there 255k so cheap compared to tanks ( most of that is the proto turret costs)
EverNub IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:59:00 - [115] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: EverNub wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over... LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win This. This mentality right here is why allowing a stupid mechanic like easy LAV kills will hurt the game. These ppl like the above poster completely miss the point because they are too busy worrying about the in-game action to pay attention to the product. I don't recall Dust being promoted as a crash up derby game. I was sold on a combat game. I want my war game back. LAV wars are getting to be far to prevalent. If you put an idiotic mechanic in the game then you attract the idiots. Protip: Learn to shoot like a white boy or GTFO. Haha ok kid anytime u want a firefight Id be glad to gun u down, if I want to actually take a break from pub stomping and PC and deive in my Lav on an alt character and run fools over for lawls hha dmn right I will. Doesnt mean I cant shoot please test this and find me in a match sometime. Btw my lav is more used then just running kiddies over I actually shuttle my squad from points and use it to road block engagements and funnel points because it doesnt die in 2 av so please just stop whinning and l2p before u hate on people with godly lav builds
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 22	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:15:00 - [116] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. nope. i think we should all keep spamming them until CCP gets the idea that their system is broken. people wouldnt be using them as much if they simply fixed aiming, nerfed TAR's, and hadnt screwed with lav's by buffing their hp. CCP's fault, let them fix it. by exploiting broken game mechanics we are sending a message that something is wrong.
Mr m4gic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:16:00 - [117] - Quote nooo dont mess with it, its great fun racing around in the LAVs , i been upgrading my LAV skills soley so i can run ppl over and kick ass with my turret, i think they should make them louder for the victims to hear and make AV grenades sticky or magnetic tht is where the real problem lies, its easy enough to hit a tank with AVs but not a LAV coming at you at Crazy MPH, dont steal my fun :(
Mr m4gic Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:18:00 - [118] - Quote and give us tractor beams instead of ladders so we can escape quicker :)
Cybus Trama'dol EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition 52	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:23:00 - [119] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced. Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd).. Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault). At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. nope. i think we should all keep spamming them until CCP gets the idea that their system is broken. people wouldnt be using them as much if they simply fixed aiming, nerfed TAR's, and hadnt screwed with lav's by buffing their hp. CCP's fault, let them fix it. by exploiting broken game mechanics we are sending a message that something is wrong. I (sort of) agree with you..... Those are exactly the points I've been trying to make... This is a direct response to the broken core mechanics of the game. Not a good response but I can see why people are doing it, I personally don't happen to be a FotM sheep and prefer to play the game as intended.
Operative 1171 Aajli PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 10	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:50:00 - [120] - Quote EverNub wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: EverNub wrote: CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over... LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win This. This mentality right here is why allowing a stupid mechanic like easy LAV kills will hurt the game. These ppl like the above poster completely miss the point because they are too busy worrying about the in-game action to pay attention to the product. I don't recall Dust being promoted as a crash up derby game. I was sold on a combat game. I want my war game back. LAV wars are getting to be far to prevalent. If you put an idiotic mechanic in the game then you attract the idiots. Protip: Learn to shoot like a white boy or GTFO. Haha ok kid anytime u want a firefight Id be glad to gun u down, if I want to actually take a break from pub stomping and PC and deive in my Lav on an alt character and run fools over for lawls hha dmn right I will. Doesnt mean I cant shoot please test this and find me in a match sometime. Btw my lav is more used then just running kiddies over I actually shuttle my squad from points and use it to road block engagements and funnel points because it doesnt die in 2 av so please just stop whinning and l2p before u hate on people with godly lav builds My God to be a kid again! Thanks for calling me a kid. I feel so young again! All kidding aside I think you missed the part that said something about paying more attention to in-game thrills than product. I really don't care how badass your thumb skills are. Forget the damn epeening and worry about the primary intention of the game as product versus your lol wagon.



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