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Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:12:00 -
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I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
107
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:14:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.
At the very least I think it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. I'm wearing armour that can stop lasers, rockets, grenades and bullets travelling CONSIDERABLY faster than a car.
It makes NO SENSE that such powerful armour would be utterly ruined by the graze from a car. I mean a guy in modern day wearing some leather pants and a plastic hat can survive falling off a speeding motorbike.
Please fix CCP? It's blatantly a problem. |
Kazio De Vihura
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
22
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:17:00 -
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nahhh love to blow up them with AV...free kills |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
280
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:17:00 -
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lol Ive been saying this for months.... scrubs cant get a kill using their weapon so they just try to create roadkill the whole time.
and now that LAVs are 'fun' to drive around in and teleport all over the map cause framerate cant even keep up with the speed of the cars, this is becoming even more prevalent.
had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...
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EverNub
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:17:00 -
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Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. |
Reign Omega
Hot Messy
5
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:19:00 -
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I personally think there should be no infinite militia LAV. I think there should be at least SOME ISK penalty for spamming LAV, even if it wouldn't drastically impact people with major banks, OR some sort of limit as to how many LAV can even be called per match/at one time. The need for LAV on a battlefield is not so high that there should be an infinite model and it definitely encourages DeathRace 2000 for people on the field. This combined with the higher HP for LAV, making them harder to deal with in a pinch if you dont have at LEAST AV grenades on you (the new model takes 2). Hear hear to the OP |
Aqua Hell
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:20:00 -
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signed |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
107
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:21:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics.
So why are we wearing Armour again? You're telling me my sheilded suit can stop a bullet, my armour can stop rockets fired from drop ships. My armour can soak a single volly of fire fired from an orbiting warbarge, but a car travelling at 20-30kpm nudges me and I should die? No that makes LESS sense than my character surviving. |
Panther Alpha
WarRavens
201
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:22:00 -
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I said this at the beginning of the open beta... multiple times...then i give up trying .... |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:22:00 -
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They aren't that hard to dodge tho. then again I'm a scout, and ninja cowboy. If your a heavy then I see a problem. But maybe you could make the lav like american cars and have them blow up when they hit a rabbit. |
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Herli Pascal
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:23:00 -
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But... but... it's fun to run people over |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
16
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:23:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed.
It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving.
I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards. |
EverNub
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
3
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:24:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...
LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
230
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:28:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.
No.
If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis*
You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness.
Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above.
*Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.* |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
107
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:28:00 -
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EverNub wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...
LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win
So damn the game, damn it's future, damn good first impressions and let's just fu*k any kind of first impression for newbies because you won a match in video game?
Short sighted much? |
Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
107
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:29:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. No. If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis* You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness. Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above. *Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.*
Scroll up and read my posts. You think it makes sense you can survive a rocket to the face and 3 magazines of bullets traveling in excess of 800 Feet Per Second, but one graze of a car that seems to bearly keep it's OWN WEIGHT on the ground should kill someone?
A ton? Please. The thing pretty much floats away when it crosses it hill. It looks like it weighs about 2Kg and is full of hellium.
Consistency is needed. It lacks. |
EverNub
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
3
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:29:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed. It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving. I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards.
I agree but friendly fire is off derps. If not newb berrys would be shooting u more then ud be worried bout lav. But either way cover is ur friend, even heavies use cover if they are smart if u stand in the open all the time u must lose alot of suits. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2110
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:31:00 -
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When jeeps take 5 packed AV grenades, you know there's a problem. It's a LIGHT armoured vehicle. Not the grim reapers combine harvester. I quit after a game vs some scrub in my corp, because after the game I went to the forums, and saw the vehicle buff...
CCP just don't know wtf they're doing. |
EverNub
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
3
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:32:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:EverNub wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...
LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win So damn the game, damn it's future, damn good first impressions and let's just fu*k any kind of first impression for newbies because you won a match in video game? Short sighted much?
Your just jelly of my 4k hp super logi lav :P |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3053
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:34:00 -
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Free LAVs need to go. |
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Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
16
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:35:00 -
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EverNub wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:EverNub wrote:Actually its only how hard they hit u, I survive alot when they barely swipe me or if there not full speed. Also easy counter measure level up your AV or just dont fight in the open field hide in cover or higher ground. Also if they took out not dying when u get ran over this game would make even less sense then it alredy does with the rest of its physics. And how do you justify "friendly" runovers leaving teammates completely unscathed. It was terrible playing Domination last night. Huge gunfight happening at A on the bridge. Red dot then piles his LAV straight through to see how many skittles he could knock over and presto about 5 kills and only red dots surviving. I dont play the game to hide or camp on a hilltop, I'm frontline all them way.. Roadkill just seems to be easymode for tryhards. I agree but friendly fire is off derps. If not newb berrys would be shooting u more then ud be worried bout lav. But either way cover is ur friend, even heavies use cover if they are smart if u stand in the open all the time u must lose alot of suits. Nope I just PTFO and with LAVs having magical jumping powers and acrobatic skills the onle "safe" cover is hiding up a ladder or a mountain like a little girl (or hiding in a vehicle the whole game). And yeah I lose a lot of suits that way, however free easymode LAV's is a broken mechanic. You wanna play a driving game, head off to your local store... they have plenty I'm sure |
boba's fetta
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
71
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:44:00 -
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if you are hit by a car moving 30 miles an hour you will survive. get hit by a bus travling at the same speed and you will die. why is this? because of something called mass.
i gree the lav should take some damage but i also belive the lav should kill you. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
740
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:45:00 -
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Most free LAVs can't even survive a single standard AV grenade. If you're getting run over by one of these wheeled coffins more than once per match, the problem is you. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
281
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:50:00 -
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EverNub wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: had an LAV come right at me yesterday while I had my forge. shot it 20m in front of me just for my forge to do ZERO damage and I then get run over...
LoL my Alt loves running u over cubs, granted ur ishikone hurts but 4k hp shouldnt get 1 shot by a forge anyways thatd be rediculas, and if I told u my alts name ud know who he was since I harassed u and maurader for numerous matches and forced u to pull out ur AV = less kills for ur side = I win
im not arguing something getting 1 shot or 2 shot etc.
Im saying I have you dead in my sights, and do ZERO damage...
ok u are right in front of me, I forge you, your call surives but is low on HP and then I get run over... no complaint aside from the driver being a $%#^ for driving...
im saying the framerate (or something else going on) doesn't even register the fact that I made contact and did damage to your vehicle. This isn't an isolated scenario as pretty much any LAV that is in motion I have this issue with.
I'm not complaining about the HP buff, increased survivability or anything, just the fact that 2k+ dmg on a direct hit and it doesn't affect the health bar of the target.
and yes im sure there is a nice contingent that enjoys 'running me over' and just killing me in general. I don't think you can grasp the amount of mails I get when someone kills me.. they often feel inclined to inform me lol.
I understand that and am fine with it, I just want this issue addressed. At distance all LAVs teleport... no smooth framerate at all |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
16
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:51:00 -
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Still doesnt stop free LAV roadkills being a broken mechanic does it. Often I play logi and forego a grenade entirely in favour of equipment. And one match last night there must have been 4-5 at any one time doing donuts and killing anything in there path. |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:52:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:When jeeps take 5 packed AV grenades, you know there's a problem. It's a LIGHT armoured vehicle. Not the grim reapers combine harvester. I quit after a game vs some scrub in my corp, because after the game I went to the forums, and saw the vehicle buff...
CCP just don't know wtf they're doing. Tony, Tony, Tony. You said you deleted DUST from your PS3 several days ago. I'm beginning to think you lied to us on the Internet. For shame!
Free LAVs don't take 5 grenades to kill. For starters, everyone who doesn't run with a squad at all times should have Grenadier 3 trained and carry advanced EX-0 AV nades at a minimum. They have better splash damage, can be thrown farther, and home in better than packed AV. I carry Locus only when I am spawning into CQC areas. LAVs that take multiple advanced AV to the face typically are skilled up and properly fit. Some tanks can be taken out with fewer than 5 AV grenades.
LAV stunt drivers are not hard to counter. That said, I can't imagine Cub's forge not decimating an LAV as OHK. That must have been wonky hit detection or lag. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
281
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:59:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:Tony Calif wrote:When jeeps take 5 packed AV grenades, you know there's a problem. It's a LIGHT armoured vehicle. Not the grim reapers combine harvester. I quit after a game vs some scrub in my corp, because after the game I went to the forums, and saw the vehicle buff...
CCP just don't know wtf they're doing. Tony, Tony, Tony. You said you deleted DUST from your PS3 several days ago. I'm beginning to think you lied to us on the Internet. For shame! Free LAVs don't take 5 grenades to kill. For starters, everyone who doesn't run with a squad at all times should have Grenadier 3 trained and carry advanced EX-0 AV nades at a minimum. They have better splash damage, can be thrown farther, and home in better than packed AV. I carry Locus only when I am spawning into CQC areas. LAVs that take multiple advanced AV to the face typically are skilled up and properly fit. Some tanks can be taken out with fewer than 5 AV grenades. LAV stunt drivers are not hard to counter. That said, I can't imagine Cub's forge not decimating an LAV as OHK. That must have been wonky hit detection or lag.
yea it has to be 1 or the other... hit detection/framerate
1 bonus of this build is I have not seen the frequent framerate drops like before, or super lag (for the most part at least)
and yes you have a 'SUPER LAV' built that can withstand more damage and whatnot, awesome. I like the challenge, but I'm helpless when my weapon of doom shoots blanks. I know when I hit something and when I miss, and when I hit and no damage is taken... well I can only shake my head so much before I have to turn the game off and twiddle my thumbs waiting for it to be fixed. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2112
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:00:00 -
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Well done kitten, FREE LAVs don't take that much. Logi LAVs take more than most HAVS.. And it's ok, I haven't played since. Yiu can ask around... no trace of a Tony. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
230
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:03:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. No. If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis* You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness. Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above. *Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.* Scroll up and read my posts. You think it makes sense you can survive a rocket to the face and 3 magazines of bullets traveling in excess of 800 Feet Per Second, but one graze of a car that seems to bearly keep it's OWN WEIGHT on the ground should kill someone? A ton? Please. The thing pretty much floats away when it crosses it hill. It looks like it weighs about 2Kg and is full of hellium. Consistency is needed. It lacks.
How's this for consistency? The human body has parts that bend, and, as a consequence, can also be hyper extended as well, now if I hit you in the back at 60 mph how many of your bones do you think are going to hyper extend far beyond the point of braking?
As far as explosions go, explosions don't have a ton of wait barring down on you at hard focal points. Your shields should stop enough of the, equally distributed, in coming force, to at best knock you back or down. Now if you we advocating a knock down mechanic, I would be supporting you, but your not. Your just trying to justify the changes YOU want.
As for bullets, they as well have very little kenetic force, most of the weapons in this game are energy based. A laser for instance has no kenetic force, it is just photons stacked on top of photons inside a single wave length. Similarly the blasters (the AR) are plasma based, and also carry very little kenetic force.
Dude we can do this all day long man, my major in college was science, but I'd rather not.
Now HTFU.
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Vallud Eadesso
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
107
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:10:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Now HTFU.
Get out of the car and learn to play, son. Stop advocating a play style that hurts the game.
You can throw your science around all day... but in game you can survive a single metal slug that weighs the same as a truck dropped directly on your head from orbit (At least once. Those orbital barrages don't insta-splat)
A car moving considerably slower nudging me shouldn't kill me. |
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