Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
7
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:44:00 -
[61] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less.
You know what I reckon would be cool? Little impact craters under the MCV where people forgot to damp their drop |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
35
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
7
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
Cybus Trama'dol wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right
Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you? |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
35
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:48:00 -
[64] - Quote
Jaron Pollard wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you? Heres why............................
I dont like driving games... If i did i would be playing GTA, this is an FPS
|
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
7
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:51:00 -
[65] - Quote
Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern.
It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you? Heres why............................ I dont like driving games... If i did i would be playing GTA, this is an FPS
That would be relevant if it was to be expected that an FPS would not include some kind of vehicle. Sadly, that is not the case, and this is still an FPS, vehicles and all. Which makes your problem entirely a matter of personal preference, and I would suggest.... nah, I won't actually. You can figure out the rest on your own or qq for all I care. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
35
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
ok cheers for your input.... see ya
|
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
234
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 16:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that. I like to play a game where sometimes, I see how close I can get to the ground before activating the damper in order to negate the impact force. Once, I missed, and trust me, it was very similar to getting hit by a tank. You can "brush off and walk away from that" because that's what dampers are for. I don't know how you lot are managing to get hit by LAVs in the first place. It's not like if you're running across open ground, you don't check your surroundings. Or maybe it is... who knows. I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less.
I think that if you plow into a heavy it should do some damage, it should definitely have some kind of bounce effect/slow down.
And what ever happend to dudes getting stuck in your wheel well a percentage of the time, and slowing you down for short period? I thought that that was a fair mechanic. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1056
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 17:00:00 -
[68] - Quote
Vallud Eadesso wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. At the very least I think it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. I'm wearing armour that can stop lasers, rockets, grenades and bullets travelling CONSIDERABLY faster than a car. It makes NO SENSE that such powerful armour would be utterly ruined by the graze from a car. I mean a guy in modern day wearing some leather pants and a plastic hat can survive falling off a speeding motorbike.Please fix CCP? It's blatantly a problem.
Falling off a speeding bike is not the same as getting hit by a 1ton car
Sure you have dropsuits that are stronger and are more advanced to stop bullets/lasers and to protect you against explosions but they are not made for stopping a 1ton LAV speeding at 40mph at you |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
25
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 17:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
Bojo The Mighty wrote:Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I saw this thread and thought it had something to do with the rash of mass LAV racing lately... shame, I'd like to have heard more on that. You can expect the Grand Prix to occur some time next month courtesy of Bojo's Grand Bazaar. Betting will occur and tracks are being mapped out right now. Could you send me a link to the maps when you're done? PSN is Byozuma |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
68
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.
I just want to stop running over myself when i jump out of em....i can dodge bullets...i think i can handle jumping out a car and not running myself over. |
|
Yeva Kalsani
Reckoners
70
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
Me and my Forge Gun collection are lovin' it. |
Dust Evo 514
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
NO the cars are just fine for the damage they do.
Free LAVs should be removed.
The speed of a basic LAV should be reduced and increases with upper tier models.
Stop complaining about getting ran over because you don't know how to stay in cover.
That's why AV grenades exsist! Use them! They are usually instant kills! |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
48
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
As a heavy I have been ran down like a squirrel plenty of times.
Sometimes I die but stop them dead in their tracks.
Sometimes I slow them down.
Sometimes I roll them.
Sometimes I start ripping into them and they blow up in my face and the explosion kills me.
Sometimes I do this^ and survive.
I always use my free LAV to haul my Fat Azz around so do not get rid of free LAVs.
What annoys me more than getting ran over is when I call in an LAV and some blue berry jumps in and steals it! Granted it is free but everyone has them call in your own ride!
|
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2121
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I have never seen any LAVs ever EAT 5 AV nades. Now dodging them is another question for a later day but 5 direct hits usually would kill most tanks even.
Ask Jason Pearson of SI. He's been going 20-0 all day. It's not a free LAV as I've pointed out several times, but people seem to ignore that. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
317
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
Not only do I not want LAV damage to be decreased but I want Ragdoll physics. If you get hit by a LAV I want to see some bodies go flying!
Also, add modules we can fit onto our LAV, like Chainsaws and Lazerblades on the front ! I want Red and Blueberries pieces flying everywhere. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4117
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 18:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
Well I rarely see the scout or the logistics one, usual problem with most LAVs is that they're able to evade some attacks easily. its more possible for an lav to dodge a swarm launch these days. But overall a tank can chew though a poorly driven lav of any stature pretty quickly. |
eKona vinDar
WarRavens
25
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
Vallud Eadesso wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. At the very least I think it should damage the vehicle and reduce it's speed to near zero. I'm wearing armour that can stop lasers, rockets, grenades and bullets travelling CONSIDERABLY faster than a car. It makes NO SENSE that such powerful armour would be utterly ruined by the graze from a car. I mean a guy in modern day wearing some leather pants and a plastic hat can survive falling off a speeding motorbike. Please fix CCP? It's blatantly a problem.
Stupidest idea ever....
You get hit by a car, you die. The car does not stop or take damage... maybe a little dent... but nothing noticable.
Your armor can take a hit from something going fast, but not something BIG. It's not about speed it's about MASSSSSSSS
MASSSSSS
MASSSSS
I'll say it one more time MASS
A rocket has literally like one one millionth the mass of an LAV. This is why you can get hit by it and not die. An LAV should ALWAYS kill ALL infantry upon impact no matter what your wearing.
If you don't like getting run over then get the hell out of the way. If you die by LAV enough to complain you just suck at this game, period.
I love running over noobs in my LAV.. TAKE COVER YOU STUPID NOOB!! OR ILL RUN YOUR ASS OVER!!
I've had many people TRY and run me over with an LAV. I think it's fun to mess around with them and stand still till the last second then jump out the way. Oh, your wearing a slow ass heavy suit? Well too bad, that's the trade off for your tanking ability. Don't expect to be able to dodge a vehicle, and don't complain when your ass gets ran over because you were not paying attention.
USE YOUR COVER!! Run from cover to cover, or just be smart about it.
STUPIDITY is not a valid reason to nerf something. Exspecially when it makes no sense.... why would someone survive being hit by two tons of steel at 100 MPH? They wouldn't....
And why would that two tons of steel traveling at 100MPH reach a near stop when hitting a sack of meat? It wouldnt.
If you don't like being killed by something, then become a better player, stop whining about how much you suck. |
eKona vinDar
WarRavens
25
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:12:00 -
[78] - Quote
Master Jaraiya wrote:
What annoys me more than getting ran over is when I call in an LAV and some blue berry jumps in and steals it! Granted it is free but everyone has them call in your own ride!
Create a squad and it will be locked for your squad for a few seconds.... wait for it.... wait for it.... RTFM!
Ok so there is no manual but how could you not know this already? |
eKona vinDar
WarRavens
25
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
Daedric Lothar wrote:Not only do I not want LAV damage to be decreased but I want Ragdoll physics. If you get hit by a LAV I want to see some bodies go flying!
Also, add modules we can fit onto our LAV, like Chainsaws and Lazerblades on the front ! I want Red and Blueberries pieces flying everywhere.
100% agree!
Carmageddon was one of my most favorite games. |
Novas The Second
Rising Sun Mercenaries
13
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:19:00 -
[80] - Quote
free LAV's need to go, there should DEFINITELY be a cost in isk, so that you can buy a couple of basic ones before a game starts but as soon as someones blown you up with some well placed AV?
Then you're all out of LAV's.
(and also,you shouldn't be able to buy more during the match) |
|
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
48
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:23:00 -
[81] - Quote
eKona vinDar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:
What annoys me more than getting ran over is when I call in an LAV and some blue berry jumps in and steals it! Granted it is free but everyone has them call in your own ride!
Create a squad and it will be locked for your squad for a few seconds.... wait for it.... wait for it.... RTFM! Ok so there is no manual but how could you not know this already?
I did know this. Usually when mine get stolen it is because I'm somewhere near it killing a Rambo Scout or Assault trying to ninja hack, then return to get in my LAV and go on about my merry way only to find it quickly traveling away from me. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
4117
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:26:00 -
[82] - Quote
a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
48
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:29:00 -
[83] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.
I don't see this blowing over very well...although it wouldn't bother me. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
68
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets.
How do I petition a council member to resign from the council? |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:49:00 -
[85] - Quote
I've never had trouble with vehicles until recently but now it's getting out of hand.
The game I just finished you couldn't go more than a minute before someone in a car peeled around the corner, flipped over twice and then righted itself perfectly fine and mowed you down.
If you're going to have instant kill death machines on wheels at least balance them with realistic mechanics. You flip your car over? It stays flipped over unless you get people help flip it upright, no more of this automatic righting stuff. You smash into a wall to nail someone? You take damage equal to just ramming your vehicle's engine into a solid wall. |
Byozuma Kegawa
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
27
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 19:56:00 -
[86] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets. I can get behind this. Just need to be able to field them without having to fit a turret. Not saying I wouldn't buy turrets, just that there are some things where... don't really need a turret. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
450
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 20:01:00 -
[87] - Quote
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets. The sounds like a buff bro, those turrets are useless |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
48
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 20:12:00 -
[88] - Quote
Byozuma Kegawa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:a solution would be to make sure they're not prefitted with turrets. I can get behind this. Just need to be able to field them without having to fit a turret. Not saying I wouldn't buy turrets, just that there are some things where... don't really need a turret.
This.
By "some things" you wouldn't happen to mean hit and runs would you? |
Failonius
Quantum Degeneracy
19
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 20:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
No vehicles should be free. Period. |
sammus420
Goonfeet
64
|
Posted - 2013.05.15 20:50:00 -
[90] - Quote
Mike Poole wrote:I've never had trouble with vehicles until recently but now it's getting out of hand.
The game I just finished you couldn't go more than a minute before someone in a car peeled around the corner, flipped over twice and then righted itself perfectly fine and mowed you down.
If you're going to have instant kill death machines on wheels at least balance them with realistic mechanics. You flip your car over? It stays flipped over unless you get people help flip it upright, no more of this automatic righting stuff. You smash into a wall to nail someone? You take damage equal to just ramming your vehicle's engine into a solid wall.
LAVs have very, very low centers of gravity, which is why they're almost always self-righting. However, i've seen LAVs stuck on their sides and stuck upside down, so it can happen.
Also, remove the free LAVS! |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 5 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |