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Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:47:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely....
Lol, I served. I know about humvees. They are cars! Cars with green paint but nonetheless cars. And this is not a car centric game. So, lose the easy car wars mechanic so us shooters can get back to shooting and not gangbanging in a Caddy like Tupac.
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ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:14:00 -
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lol.. so many butthurt CoD fan bois that it is just LOL I hate LAVs because it forces me to play better and pay more attention then what im shooting. well adopt or die it not like LAVs are new. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.05.16 16:29:00 -
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ladwar wrote:lol.. so many butthurt CoD fan bois that it is just LOL I hate LAVs because it forces me to play better and pay more attention then what im shooting. well adopt or die it not like LAVs are new.
Translation: I pledge allegiance to CCP and everything they do no matter what. I can't shoot so I will ride around in a car and ignore what the game is supposed to be. Without my easy mode game mechanic I would not get any kills. Therefore I shall dismiss a problem as it makes me look leet.
There *fixed. |
NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 17:04:00 -
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lol, go ahead and get rid of the free LAVs, you'll just QQ once people start buying the BPOs |
Full Metal Kitten
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.16 17:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I don't know why you guys are crying about LAVs, they still pop like zits if you hit em' with a swarm launcher. Everyone is practically making the same mistake we did at the beginning of chrome and neglecting AV. With all due respect your are wrong. I roll in advanced AV gear. Tons of people do. My only fits without advanced AV nades are for CQC. Starter LAVs were prevented from being abused by folks like me that could OHK your weak ride that had no invested skill or mods. This is no longer true. It needs to be fixed.
I'm a fanboy, for the record. Love the TAR, love hunting tanks that rightfully got buffed, want to see drop ships buffed too. But free LAVs? Um, no.
Lastly, I owe Tony C an apology for essentially saying HTFU when he pointed out the LAV problem. Having been playing with new update I see he is absolutely correct. |
Oprahs Evil Twin
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:33:00 -
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So when are they adding explosive items that make my cars explosion bigger when it dies? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:37:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:lol, go ahead and get rid of the free LAVs, you'll just QQ once people start buying the BPOs Hey another revenue stream for CCP! Still it would cut down on the dumb@asses out there.
On a similar note I've often felt that even if the free AV were removed the calls to nerf the rest would continue. |
ladwar
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:38:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:ladwar wrote:lol.. so many butthurt CoD fan bois that it is just LOL I hate LAVs because it forces me to play better and pay more attention then what im shooting. well adopt or die it not like LAVs are new. Translation: I pledge allegiance to CCP and everything they do no matter what. I can't shoot so I will ride around in a car and ignore what the game is supposed to be. Without my easy mode game mechanic I would not get any kills. Therefore I shall dismiss a problem as it makes me look leet. There *fixed. all I hear is: I am butthurt and I am trying to make others feel bad because I made mistakes and are blaming others for my mistakes.
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Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
249
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Posted - 2013.05.16 18:41:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:I personally think there should be no infinite militia LAV. I think there should be at least SOME ISK penalty for spamming LAV, even if it wouldn't drastically impact people with major banks, OR some sort of limit as to how many LAV can even be called per match/at one time. The need for LAV on a battlefield is not so high that there should be an infinite model and it definitely encourages DeathRace 2000 for people on the field. This combined with the higher HP for LAV, making them harder to deal with in a pinch if you dont have at LEAST AV grenades on you (the new model takes 2). Hear hear to the OP
Agreed. Militia vehicles are fine, just don't give them to players. Even players with big bank accounts will eventually bleed that out to the point where they stop playing demolition derby so much. That huge buff to MLT LAVs didn't help, either.
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Pew-Pew BBQ
DISTRIBUTOR OF PAIN
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:34:00 -
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The problem with murder taxi LAVs is that I have to pull over constantly to pick all of your smashed dropsuit pieces out of the radiator grille!
There is one thing I know about CCP- they love a good row. In EVE, when people raise hell and fuss over stuff like, um, Hulkageddon for instance, they put it on the front page of interstellar news. Oh the grief, oh the fun, oh the suicide ganks... They ain't gonna stop it. You ain't gonna stop it. I love your grief tears, and so does CCP!
My main doesn't get in LAVs, because the K/D payout isn't very good. But when I get an itch to log in an alt, the first thing I do is call in a free LAV and charge the line. I rip donus on your guts. If you're blue, don't get into my car- it's pointed on the highway of death with a suicidal merc at the helm, chaising after some entertainment. QQ |
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BRAIN-MATTER-SPLATTERER NEURALGIA
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:38:00 -
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You people are just mad, that no matter how much armor your wearing... No matter how better your guns are.. You're not invincible, die like everyone else & accept your death. Don't spend countless hours whining about how a noob took you out because he had no other way to kill a proto suite. Accept death or die morbid. They have to take it every time you proto armor/weapon guys over powers them. You don't see anyone posting on forums saying we need a complete skill RESET, because it is unfair that people got to take everything from beta & carry it over to the final release of this game!! Which would make the universe a lot more fair in my opinion. You know what I'm going to mention this in my next forum post. Say goodbye to everything you own & a full scale game reset! Like most games do when a new game is fully released! x) |
VLIGHT5
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:42:00 -
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BRAIN-MATTER-SPLATTERER NEURALGIA wrote:You people are just mad, that no matter how much armor your wearing... No matter how better your guns are.. You're not invincible, die like everyone else & accept your death. Don't spend countless hours whining about how a noob took you out because he had no other way to kill a proto suite. Accept death or die morbid. They have to take it every time you proto armor/weapon guys over powers them. You don't see anyone posting on forums saying we need a complete skill RESET, because it is unfair that people got to take everything from beta & carry it over to the final release of this game!! Which would make the universe a lot more fair in my opinion. You know what I'm going to mention this in my next forum post. Say goodbye to everything you own & a full scale game reset! Like most games do when a new game is fully released! x)
You're dumb |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
1345
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Posted - 2013.05.16 21:43:00 -
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VLIGHT5 wrote:BRAIN-MATTER-SPLATTERER NEURALGIA wrote:You people are just mad, that no matter how much armor your wearing... No matter how better your guns are.. You're not invincible, die like everyone else & accept your death. Don't spend countless hours whining about how a noob took you out because he had no other way to kill a proto suite. Accept death or die morbid. They have to take it every time you proto armor/weapon guys over powers them. You don't see anyone posting on forums saying we need a complete skill RESET, because it is unfair that people got to take everything from beta & carry it over to the final release of this game!! Which would make the universe a lot more fair in my opinion. You know what I'm going to mention this in my next forum post. Say goodbye to everything you own & a full scale game reset! Like most games do when a new game is fully released! x) You're dumb ^ You mad |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:10:00 -
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Has there been any rationalization as to why vehicles have almost zero profile on the radar?
It's bad enough getting constantly run down by someone over and over again but it's worse when all the warning you have is the sound of an engine and an empty radar before you're road kill. |
ladwar
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:12:00 -
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because you can see them from tacnet pretty easy. |
Somin Krais
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Posted - 2013.05.16 22:58:00 -
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I'd like to see a LAV explode when it runs over a heavy. It's basically like plowing into a brick wall, right? |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.16 23:07:00 -
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and i think when i hit a someone dendpeing on the suits frame and weight determines how much i actually stop while drive the LAV,IF i hit a scout with a LAV i should probably keep going,not like i hit a heavy. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:47:00 -
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Now CCP are addressing the TAR...
Time for a BUMP!!! |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:49:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. I would say require the LAV to be moving at far higher speed to achieve a one-hit-kill, and make the LAV take a large fraction of the damage they cause to the suit they hit.
If you think about it, smacking your vehicle repeatedly into heavily armored and shielded infantry should start tearing it up. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
65
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:20:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. I would say require the LAV to be moving at far higher speed to achieve a one-hit-kill, and make the LAV take a large fraction of the damage they cause to the suit they hit. If you think about it, smacking your vehicle repeatedly into heavily armored and shielded infantry should start tearing it up. YES!!
There currently is no downside to the spam and abuse of the FREE... Yes I said FREE LAVs. I take the point of people who have specced into vehicles and if you pay then feel free to play. However when the reward > risk by a factor of 20 then something is VERY broken.
What I find more concerning is the fact the his thread has been extremely popular on both sides of the argument as can be seen by the replies and likes. BUT there has been no DEV input on the issue whatsoever... Does this mean CCP think the current system is fine OR more worryingly that they haven't got a clue how to deal with it. |
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