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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:

Jaron Pollard wrote:

Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.

Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.

So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely....

OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that.


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Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 6	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:18:00 - [1] - Quote Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo. Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to no just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury. So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely....
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo. Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury. So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that. I like to play a game where sometimes, I see how close I can get to the ground before activating the damper in order to negate the impact force. Once, I missed, and trust me, it was very similar to getting hit by a tank. You can "brush off and walk away from that" because that's what dampers are for. I don't know how you lot are managing to get hit by LAVs in the first place. It's not like if you're running across open ground, you don't check your surroundings. Or maybe it is... who knows.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:44:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less. You know what I reckon would be cool? Little impact craters under the MCV where people forgot to damp their drop
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:46:00 - [4] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern. It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you?
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 7	Posted - 2013.05.15 16:51:00 - [5] - Quote Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Cybus Trama'dol wrote: Also back on point, its the overuse and spamming of free LAV that is my main concern. It's only going to get with worse with the STD BPOs I fear you are right Here's an idea. Just a thought, really. If they can spam free LAVs, then why can't you? Heres why............................ I dont like driving games... If i did i would be playing GTA, this is an FPS That would be relevant if it was to be expected that an FPS would not include some kind of vehicle. Sadly, that is not the case, and this is still an FPS, vehicles and all. Which makes your problem entirely a matter of personal preference, and I would suggest.... nah, I won't actually. You can figure out the rest on your own or qq for all I care.