DUST Search - [REQUEST] CCP - Please confirm the TYPES of weapons

Rynx Sinfar wrote:

CCP Remnant wrote:

We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr).

As to what they'll do... speculate away Blink

Is the HMG and Forge gun being lumped in together? I mean the AR and SR are lumped together and it looks like more variants are on the table on there. The Swarm launcher and Plasma Cannon I'm guessing is lumped together as well and likely seeing more.

I'm just confused because I've only ever heard the groupings to be determined by role/need.

The AR and SR both serve as medium range anti infantry weapons. The Swarm and Plasma Cannon both serve as anti vehicle weapons. The Scrambler Pistol and Flintlock both server as short range reserve Anti Infantry (not sure if the SMG is lumped in with these but from the above table they are not, so I imagine it is approach that changes here).

Granted I'm not read up on lore. But I assumed each race developed these items for military use for their own armies. So I have this image in my head of Caldari seeing that they need heavy frame units on field and develop their own. Then they need to equip these guys and say "Hey forge gun works just as well on infantry and vehicles"? Or did they say "Hey Minmatar we'll handle AV if you guys handle anti infantry and we'll trade"?

Are the HMG and Forge gun considered to fill the same niche in terms of combat or is the heavy weapon class itself supposed to be the niche? Because even sidearm looks to be getting more variation.

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martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 100	Posted - 2013.05.16 12:34:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Being a little logical, I am guessing a Amarr laser gun for long range, fast heat build up...but this feel weird to my eyes in the hand of the heavy who is suposed to be in combat. So probably a shorter range laser, no dispersion, but less dmg than HMG. And a Gallente Heavy TAC assault Duvolle
Davy Headhunter ZionTCD Unclaimed. 1	Posted - 2013.05.16 12:54:00 - [32] - Quote Lol, easy choice for heavy laser gun: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Gatling_laser_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)
IceStormers Forsaken Immortals Gentlemen's Agreement 28	Posted - 2013.05.16 13:52:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: Hybrid (plasma) - assault rifle, plasma cannon, ion pistol (not yet released), shotgun Hybrid (railgun) - forge gun, sniper rifle, magsec SMG (not yet released), rail rifle (not yet released), bolt pistol (not yet released) Laser (beam) - laser rifle Laser (pulse) - scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle Projectile - SMG, HMG, combat rifle (not yet released), precision rifle (not yet released) Explosive - mass driver, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol Can we get an idea of when these will get released i want to have a rifle to match my race yet they are not out yet would love a idea of there stats, higher damage / range than current rifle i know we cant have actual stats just what your guide is for them Will the combat rifle be longer or shorter range than scrambler etc
J'Hiera Algintal Core Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:07:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: Hybrid (plasma) - assault rifle, plasma cannon, ion pistol (not yet released), shotgun Hybrid (railgun) - forge gun, sniper rifle, magsec SMG (not yet released), rail rifle (not yet released), bolt pistol (not yet released) Laser (beam) - laser rifle Laser (pulse) - scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle Projectile - SMG, HMG, combat rifle (not yet released), precision rifle (not yet released) Explosive - mass driver, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol Does this mean the Amarr assault reduce SR heat buildup?
Rynx Sinfar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 659	Posted - 2013.05.16 14:39:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Is the HMG and Forge gun being lumped in together? I mean the AR and SR are lumped together and it looks like more variants are on the table on there. The Swarm launcher and Plasma Cannon I'm guessing is lumped together as well and likely seeing more. I'm just confused because I've only ever heard the groupings to be determined by role/need. The AR and SR both serve as medium range anti infantry weapons. The Swarm and Plasma Cannon both serve as anti vehicle weapons. The Scrambler Pistol and Flintlock both server as short range reserve Anti Infantry (not sure if the SMG is lumped in with these but from the above table they are not, so I imagine it is approach that changes here). Granted I'm not read up on lore. But I assumed each race developed these items for military use for their own armies. So I have this image in my head of Caldari seeing that they need heavy frame units on field and develop their own. Then they need to equip these guys and say "Hey forge gun works just as well on infantry and vehicles"? Or did they say "Hey Minmatar we'll handle AV if you guys handle anti infantry and we'll trade"? Are the HMG and Forge gun considered to fill the same niche in terms of combat or is the heavy weapon class itself supposed to be the niche? Because even sidearm looks to be getting more variation.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4131	Posted - 2013.05.16 16:53:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Imagines the Gallente one is an anti infantry super heavy tri/quad barreled heavy shotgun. Imagine the Amarr one to be like the Spartan Laser for anti-vehicle
Hunter Junko Bojo's School of the Trades 96	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:08:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away thinks of the Amarr Arc cannon depicted in Templar one then thinks of a modified 20J Scattered Blaster as a gallente HMG depicted in a WiP
Arx Ardashir Bragian Order Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2013.05.16 18:57:00 - [38] - Quote Rynx Sinfar wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Is the HMG and Forge gun being lumped in together? I mean the AR and SR are lumped together and it looks like more variants are on the table on there. The Swarm launcher and Plasma Cannon I'm guessing is lumped together as well and likely seeing more. I'm just confused because I've only ever heard the groupings to be determined by role/need. The AR and SR both serve as medium range anti infantry weapons. The Swarm and Plasma Cannon both serve as anti vehicle weapons. The Scrambler Pistol and Flintlock both server as short range reserve Anti Infantry (not sure if the SMG is lumped in with these but from the above table they are not, so I imagine it is approach that changes here). Granted I'm not read up on lore. But I assumed each race developed these items for military use for their own armies. So I have this image in my head of Caldari seeing that they need heavy frame units on field and develop their own. Then they need to equip these guys and say "Hey forge gun works just as well on infantry and vehicles"? Or did they say "Hey Minmatar we'll handle AV if you guys handle anti infantry and we'll trade"? Are the HMG and Forge gun considered to fill the same niche in terms of combat or is the heavy weapon class itself supposed to be the niche? Because even sidearm looks to be getting more variation. Yeah, it seems by CCP Remnant's comment that there will only be 4 heavy weapons in the game, one from each race. Though this was said about a Flak Cannon, which in the original proposal was a heavy weapon. Perhaps if they do something along those lines and if there will be only 4 heavy weapons, then it'll be a light AV weapon. I was hoping for some more variation as well, but maybe, just maybe CCP Remnant just means that they want to have 1 racial heavy weapon variant for when they roll out the new racial heavies. Then maybe more heavy weapons to come after that.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 20	Posted - 2013.05.16 19:45:00 - [39] - Quote If Scrambler Pistols are laser weapons, shouldn't they do more damage to shields than they do to armor?
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 38	Posted - 2013.05.16 19:48:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: Hybrid (plasma) - assault rifle, plasma cannon, ion pistol (not yet released), shotgun Hybrid (railgun) - forge gun, sniper rifle, magsec SMG (not yet released), rail rifle (not yet released), bolt pistol (not yet released) Laser (beam) - laser rifle Laser (pulse) - scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle Projectile - SMG, HMG, combat rifle (not yet released), precision rifle (not yet released) Explosive - mass driver, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol I didn't see it, could someone add the damage multipliers for each type to shields and armor. I know explosive is better against armor and laser is better against shields. Specific % would be helpful

KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 107	Posted - 2013.05.17 00:39:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: Hybrid (plasma) - assault rifle, plasma cannon, ion pistol (not yet released), shotgun Hybrid (railgun) - forge gun, sniper rifle, magsec SMG (not yet released), rail rifle (not yet released), bolt pistol (not yet released) Laser (beam) - laser rifle Laser (pulse) - scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle Projectile - SMG, HMG, combat rifle (not yet released), precision rifle (not yet released) Explosive - mass driver, swarm launcher, flaylock pistol That answers my question, thank you very much. Also updated Original post.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2322	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:18:00 - [42] - Quote Knives. Knives. WHERE ARE MORE KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XXfootnoteXX DUST University Ivy League 287	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:27:00 - [43] - Quote Still would like to know about damage mods.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 107	Posted - 2013.05.17 01:54:00 - [44] - Quote XXfootnoteXX wrote: Still would like to know about damage mods. we all would XD
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 5	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:31:00 - [45] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Knives. Knives. WHERE ARE MORE KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Assault knives please? stabstabstabstabstabstabstab
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Gentlemen's Agreement 10	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:42:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Can I suggest. A heavy gun that shot explosive rounds like mini rockets that fired almost at an arc? but slowly.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 107	Posted - 2013.05.17 02:42:00 - [47] - Quote Spirit Charm wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Can I suggest. A heavy gun that shot explosive rounds like mini rockets that fired almost at an arc? but slowly. That would be awesome
Spirit Charm New Eden's Most Wanted Gentlemen's Agreement 10	Posted - 2013.05.17 03:15:00 - [48] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spirit Charm wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Can I suggest. A heavy gun that shot explosive rounds like mini rockets that fired almost at an arc? but slowly. That would be awesome Indeed ^-^
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 1371	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:27:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We have the technology. New text needs to be localized but we could get this into the game reasonably soon, yeah. What about ranges...
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 107	Posted - 2013.05.17 04:49:00 - [50] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We have the technology. New text needs to be localized but we could get this into the game reasonably soon, yeah. What about ranges... It would be useful to have range stats for each weapon available at the market.

Full Metal Kitten Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 329	Posted - 2013.05.17 05:06:00 - [51] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: It would be useful to have range stats for each weapon available at the market. Agreed! Signed! Liked!
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 72	Posted - 2013.05.17 06:04:00 - [52] - Quote martinofski wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Being a little logical, I am guessing a Amarr laser gun for long range, fast heat build up...but this feel weird to my eyes in the hand of the heavy who is suposed to be in combat. So probably a shorter range laser, no dispersion, but less dmg than HMG. And a Gallente Heavy TAC assault Duvolle Was kind of hoping for a flamethrower myself. Someone had a really great thread going for it awhile back. We could all crack jokes about heavy suits ditching their plates for mobility modals to get within the insanely short range said weapon would have. Heck I'd do it.
RedBleach LeSanglant Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 208	Posted - 2013.05.17 15:42:00 - [53] - Quote Wooo hooo! Confirmed new weapons! +1 flame/plasma thrower and gatling laser. +1 to suicide bombs - it's just a clone.
Mark0h SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 19	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:36:00 - [54] - Quote RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: Wooo hooo! Confirmed new weapons! +1 flame/plasma thrower and gatling laser. +1 to suicide bombs - it's just a clone. Gatling laser, incoming Fallout nerds!!!
CharCharOdell 5o1st 82	Posted - 2013.05.17 16:54:00 - [55] - Quote how about future tank weapons?
EXASTRA INVICTAS Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2013.05.17 17:25:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away Imagines the Gallente one is an anti infantry super heavy tri/quad barreled heavy shotgun. I have the weirdest boner.
Zat Earthshatter Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 308	Posted - 2013.05.20 00:14:00 - [57] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: We're still missing two heavy weapon variants (gallente and amarr). As to what they'll do... speculate away This is how much variety you gave us! Options for Amarr: >Arc Thrower: I've heard this weapon was mentioned in Templar One, and described as a combination of plasma-thrower and Tesla coil. Would be the most intimidating weapon to see firing, and may have an Afterburn effect. >"Spartan Laser": OMGWTFBBQ, would likely be a Heavy version of the existing Scrambler technology if it operates as the current name suggests. >Lock-on Heavy Beam: an idea I had that involved a swiveling lens assembly that directed the laser at a target after a lock-on process, and if the target was kept in the reticule while firing. >"Gatling Laser": AP pulse laser that fires insanely fast with a long range. Good for suppression. Options for Gallente: >Drones: the possible uses of a drone are limitless, and potentially awesome. >Plasma/flame-thrower: very popular among the community. a short-range, constant-fire weapon with Afterburn. >Heavy shotgun: I'd actually enjoy this weapon being AV-designed with a low clip and in-your-face range, but still mop the floor with dropsuits. That's all I can think of, and many of these were already speculated above.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 322	Posted - 2013.05.20 01:11:00 - [58] - Quote It twinges at my EVE-related OCD that projectiles aren't broken up into autocannons and artillery and that missile launchers, rather than being broken down into missiles and rockets, are covered by the blanket term "explosives". Seriously. twinge
Smoky The Bear Silent Stalkerz Hephaestus Forge Alliance 72	Posted - 2013.05.20 02:44:00 - [59] - Quote let me just be the first to say.. these weapons all are way too OP.. Its obvious we need to Pre-nerf them
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 360	Posted - 2013.05.20 04:13:00 - [60] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: If Scrambler Pistols are laser weapons, shouldn't they do more damage to shields than they do to armor? They already do much more damage to shields than armor.



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