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NeoWraith Acedia
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.15 20:29:00 -
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Baneus Secundi wrote:Misses Trickster wrote:Just to point this out
Australia is the no 1 country for pirating games and other digital downloads
Australia has to pay 50% more for most digital downloads
... I see a pattern here Irrelevant, how does charging someone more for a product stop piracy? If anything it will rapidly increase it. I think that was his point |
Crucias Soulreaver
Gothic Wars Consortium
1
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Posted - 2013.05.15 21:41:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
Thanks for you reply Grave, but the markup vastly exceeds tax (15% in NZ I believe) and it does not apply for online sales. Even if it did, after GST there's still a 35% markup - you guys are having your game abused for a quick buck. CCP has the right to issue on official complaint to Sony, and without that it will not be fixed. |
konas gut
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:31:00 -
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Why do Customer support/GM's always hid behind this regional difference and tax fud?
They should man up and admit that they are ripping AUS and NZ customers off.
Poor show CCP you have lost my respect and a lot of others too.
Even the sock puppet CPM and CSM don't have the balls to speak out. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
303
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Posted - 2013.05.15 22:35:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Why do Customer support/GM's always hid behind this regional difference and tax fud?
They should man up and admit that they are ripping AUS and NZ customers off.
Poor show CCP you have lost my respect and a lot of others too.
Even the sock puppet CPM and CSM don't have the balls to speak out.
Kindly leave your stuff at my door on the way out. |
konas gut
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:19:00 -
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Crucias Soulreaver wrote:GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] Thanks for you reply Grave, but the markup vastly exceeds tax (15% in NZ I believe) and it does not apply for online sales. Even if it did, after GST there's still a 35% markup - you guys are having your game abused for a quick buck. CCP has the right to issue on official complaint to Sony, and without that it will not be fixed.
Another reason for CCP being complicit is that they get a cut of the price Sony charges so if Sony rip us off CCP get a bigger payout.
Unless Sony just jacks the price up and takes all the profit??? Surely CCP should be concerned about this? |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
12
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Posted - 2013.05.15 23:45:00 -
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konas gut wrote:Why do Customer support/GM's always hid behind this regional difference and tax fud?
They should man up and admit that they are ripping AUS and NZ customers off.
Poor show CCP you have lost my respect and a lot of others too.
Even the sock puppet CPM and CSM don't have the balls to speak out.
You guys don't read anything, do you? I posted the reason why earlier. Everyone here that's so quick to jump on CCP's case about it obviously hasn't spent a minute subbed on EVE or you'd know we pay the same price in Aus as the US do. The problem is with Sony, CCP are not 'complicit' regardless of how desperately you want to have a problem with them. |
Otrera Goddess
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:02:00 -
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This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences
2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde
Hello,
We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes.
Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding.
If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again.
Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
Its a total load of bullshit from CCP. I am no longer just someone playing a free game. I have bought over 30,000 aurum so far and am now what I consider a CCP customer. My money has gone to them, maybe not all of it because of Sony but they still get their share. They know they have it with in there power to fix this but clearly don't care!!!! |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
16
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:13:00 -
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Otrera Goddess wrote:This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences
2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde
Hello,
We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes.
Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding.
If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again.
Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
Its a total load of bullshit from CCP. I am no longer just someone playing a free game. I have bought over 30,000 aurum so far and am now what I consider a CCP customer. My money has gone to them, maybe not all of it because of Sony but they still get their share. They know they have it with in there power to fix this but clearly don't care!!!!
I'm not sure if the DUST EULA mirrors the EVE one, but if it does, you're not allowed to post this. However, as much as you want to scream and shout and rage at CCP, if you stopped to listen for a moment, they provided you a legitimate explanation. If you feel otherwise, then clarify, no, verify with some evidence that "they know they have it within their power to fix this" because the last I checked, they're doing exactly what their dev agreement with Sony, who publishes for them at cost, allows them to do.
How do you think trading goods and services takes place? Do you think that computer you're using to type all this on actually started out being worth what you bought it for? You are still just someone playing a free game, because payment for goods in it is entirely optional, a fact you knew when you bought them. It wasn't an investment of some kind, it was a purchase of an element of a game. The game itself is free to play, and can be played entirely for free. |
Otrera Goddess
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 00:31:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Otrera Goddess wrote:This was the ccp response to my petition asking about the price differences
2013.05.15 10:26:00 GM Avantgarde
Hello,
We can understand why you would like a clarification over the price of Merc Pack in different countries. Once we set the price on a game, SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes.
Please accept our sincere apologies and we thank you for the understanding.
If we could be your assistance on any DUST 514 issue in the future, please contact us again.
Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
Its a total load of bullshit from CCP. I am no longer just someone playing a free game. I have bought over 30,000 aurum so far and am now what I consider a CCP customer. My money has gone to them, maybe not all of it because of Sony but they still get their share. They know they have it with in there power to fix this but clearly don't care!!!! I'm not sure if the DUST EULA mirrors the EVE one, but if it does, you're not allowed to post this. However, as much as you want to scream and shout and rage at CCP, if you stopped to listen for a moment, they provided you a legitimate explanation. If you feel otherwise, then clarify, no, verify with some evidence that "they know they have it within their power to fix this" because the last I checked, they're doing exactly what their dev agreement with Sony, who publishes for them at cost, allows them to do. How do you think trading goods and services takes place? Do you think that computer you're using to type all this on actually started out being worth what you bought it for? You are still just someone playing a free game, because payment for goods in it is entirely optional, a fact you knew when you bought them. It wasn't an investment of some kind, it was a purchase of an element of a game. The game itself is free to play, and can be played entirely for free.
There was no privacy statement within the email so as far as I am concerned they can take it off the forum if they want. I just wanted to show people what CCPs official response is to all of the questions as to why and how they justify the cost differences. And the reason behind the '"they know they have it within their power to fix this" statement is because its their ******* game. Sony didn't make the **** but yet they are the ones deciding on the charges. CCP can have their own servers or system designed to handle the transactions and distributions themselves. Clearly you do not get how important and valuable to a new player a booster is, it may not be considered an investment but over time the extra skill points allow faster progression and a better loadout for players. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:00:00 -
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From the forum rules:
Quote:9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited. The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, DUST Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties. |
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Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
19
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:00:00 -
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Otrera Goddess wrote:
There was no privacy statement within the email so as far as I am concerned they can take it off the forum if they want. I just wanted to show people what CCPs official response is to all of the questions as to why and how they justify the cost differences. And the reason behind the '"they know they have it within their power to fix this" statement is because its their ******* game. Sony didn't make the **** but yet they are the ones deciding on the charges. CCP can have their own servers or system designed to handle the transactions and distributions themselves. Clearly you do not get how important and valuable to a new player a booster is, it may not be considered an investment but over time the extra skill points allow faster progression and a better loadout for players.
Yes, it is their game, but they are not the publisher. Halo is Bungie's game, but Microsoft were the publisher. Microsoft take a cut. In the case of EVE, CCP publishes and develops it themselves, so prices are the same all over. DUST, though, is published by Sony, and developed by CCP, Sony being the middleman that provide it to the players. Sony takes a cut.
Clearly, as a player that got past the new player stage myself, I found boosters to be wholly unimportant to anyone but the impatient. It's entirely a matter of preference, and I can say that as a still-new toon that hasn't touched a booster yet.
We've had this discussion on a whole other thread, and I don't know how you get "CCP controls the prices" from "SONY then would localise the price for each country based on local currency and taxes," but clearly something is lost in your basic comprehensions skills, let alone your DUST ones if you're that desperate for boosters.
Also, there doesn't need to be a privacy statement in the email itself. If it is in the EULA, then you agree to it by playing the game. It is also in the forum rules, as posted above, which you should always read through before rageposting about things you don't know anything about. |
Otrera Goddess
DUST University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:07:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:From the forum rules: Quote:9. Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited. The posting of private communication between the Game Masters, DUST Team members, Moderators, Administrators of the forums and forum users is prohibited. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including petition responses and emails) received from any of the aforementioned parties.
Then get the forum moderators to take it down |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
104
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:09:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote: You guys don't read anything, do you? I posted the reason why earlier. Everyone here that's so quick to jump on CCP's case about it obviously hasn't spent a minute subbed on EVE or you'd know we pay the same price in Aus as the US do. The problem is with Sony, CCP are not 'complicit' regardless of how desperately you want to have a problem with them.
I agree with you that, at the very least, it is not obvious that it is CCP's fault. However, rather than excusing these prices, I'd rather keep this thread focussed on (a) the problem, and (b) possible solutions from CCP.
As in my original post, I offered two possible ways that CCP could resolve this issue, on the assumption that it is not within their power to request Sony fix its prices. If it turns out Sony can request Sony fix its prices, then great! That's the perfect solution. But if not, let's focus on what CCP can do.
After all, CCP likes us, and we like CCP -- so I would like to see what our friend CCP can do to fix this problem.
And on a related note, CCP should care about this for financial reasons too. Presumably CCP has chosen the prices it did, because it thinks these are the sorts of prices that will maximise their profits -- that is, the right balance between cost per purchase, and projected number of purchases. It seems pretty clear from this thread that by charging us up to 50% more they are NOT striking that balance, and are in fact upsetting and angering potential paying customers.
Add to this the evidence (is it true? I haven't checked) that Australia has a high piracy rate, and it's pretty clear that overcharging us isn't going to increase revenue. As for me, if some company has the balls to try and overcharge me, then in almost every case they just won't get my money. I'll either pay the normal price through alternative means, or I won't buy their product at all. Dust, I've made an exception, because I love the EVE universe, but I can guarantee you that I will be purchasing much less than I would if they charged the normal price. I considered treating my Dust character like a normal subscription. Set aside roughly that amount a month, and that's my contribution. But I won't be doing that with these prices. I'll get my character to a point, and then just enjoy the free game. Conclusion? Lost revenue for CCP.
After all, an equivalent "subscription" (dual boosters) for a Dust character works out to roughly the price of about two EVE accounts for me. |
Misses Trickster
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:22:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Baneus Secundi wrote:Misses Trickster wrote:Just to point this out
Australia is the no 1 country for pirating games and other digital downloads
Australia has to pay 50% more for most digital downloads
... I see a pattern here Irrelevant, how does charging someone more for a product stop piracy? If anything it will rapidly increase it. I think that was his point
That is my point, they over charge us, we say 'bugger off' and pirate it
also some proof.. if picking the first link you google is proof enough http://www.cio.com.au/article/66807/global_piracy_study_shows_australia_tops_us_uk_nz_software_piracy/ |
grreen mctree
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:27:00 -
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Didn't ccp screw over people who purchased closed beta merc packs? Yet yall think they give a **** about this? lol |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3026
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:31:00 -
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grreen mctree wrote:Didn't ccp screw over people who purchased closed beta merc packs? Yet yall think they give a **** about this? lol We're still working on that too |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
23
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Posted - 2013.05.16 06:38:00 -
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You'd think australian gamers gotten used to being ****** in the ass by now, guess not. |
Cael Pendrost
DUST University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.05.16 07:44:00 -
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I bought the Merc pack, thought I almost choked at the price.
I would LOVE to support you, CCP, but these prices...argh no. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:28:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] This is either complete ignorance or a blatant misrepresentation and spin.
Australia for the last few years has enjoyed above parity or record favorable exchange rates with most currencies.
Australia has a uniform 10% GST but that is irrelevant here as there is no tax for online purchases under AU$1,000.
CCP you are ripping off Australian customers, you are lying that your hands are completely tied and you will never see a cent from me. |
Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
21
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Posted - 2013.05.16 08:46:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] This is either complete ignorance or a blatant misrepresentation and spin. Australia for the last few years has enjoyed above parity or record favorable exchange rates with most currencies. Australia has a uniform 10% GST but that is irrelevant here as there is no tax for online purchases under AU$1,000. CCP you are ripping off Australian customers, you are lying that your hands are completely tied and you will never see a cent from me.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins.
It has been explained in the thread why CCP is not to blame. Yet there are still players who would prefer to ignore rational discourse and just adopt the native "I'm going to be mad and rage at everyone, even if it's not their fault" attitude of the regular dime-a-dozen COD kiddie. |
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RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
61
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:13:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Allah's Snackbar wrote:GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] This is either complete ignorance or a blatant misrepresentation and spin. Australia for the last few years has enjoyed above parity or record favorable exchange rates with most currencies. Australia has a uniform 10% GST but that is irrelevant here as there is no tax for online purchases under AU$1,000. CCP you are ripping off Australian customers, you are lying that your hands are completely tied and you will never see a cent from me. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins. It has been explained in the thread why CCP is not to blame. Yet there are still players who would prefer to ignore rational discourse and just adopt the native "I'm going to be mad and rage at everyone, even if it's not their fault" attitude of the regular dime-a-dozen COD kiddie.
You're assuming that CCP had no input into pricing plans for their product globally, which is of course absurd. Noone put a gun to CCP's head when it came time to agreeing pricing for Dust514 related products and services.
This is rational discourse.
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Jaron Pollard
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
21
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Posted - 2013.05.16 09:18:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:
You're assuming that CCP had no input into pricing plans for their product globally, which is of course absurd. Noone put a gun to CCP's head when it came time to agreeing pricing for Dust514 related products and services.
This is rational discourse.
Good. Then where's the part where you recognise the fact that CCP give Sony the same price for everything, and Sony ups it for their take, as a middle-man, depending on the region? Let me put it this way. CCP do set all their prices the same, and you'd know this if you play EVE, because everyone around the world pays the same price, based only on their currency exchange rate. This is like buying wholesale, straight from the manufacturer, because EVE is both developed and published entirely by CCP. DUST, however, while developed by CCP, is on Sony proprietary hardware, and is published by Sony, and distributed by Sony. That then is like buying retail, where you go to the store (Sony) to purchase the goods produced by the manufacturer (CCP). I'm assuming nothing. I know CCP have a price to set for stuff you choose to (but don't have to) buy, but it's standardised based on what the item is worth in-game in general isk/plex/aurum conversion rates, which is how they maintain consistency on the EVE/DUST economies, so that they only have one major input to consider instead of hundreds of different ones because they charge different regions different prices.
The problem is with Sony. In fact, it's with the entire IT industry as a whole when buying hardware or software in Australia at all. That's why there's a parliamentary inquest into it involving Microsoft, Apple, Sony, IBM, and others, who have been called to answer as to why they charge more in Australia. This is not an unknown problem, and not something exclusive to DUST. But it exists in DUST because of Sony, not CCP. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
106
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
Jaron, while I think you are right that CCP is not to blame, I don't think that this means that CCP is without power or responsibility in this matter. As mentioned before, I have given two suggestions in the OP on how they might be able to address this, and with some creativity there may be more options. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
As I've mentioned in another thread, CCP has no power to change the price. It does have influence, however.
This thread was brought up a few months ago, and GM's said they were to look into it.
The best course of action is not to bother CCP about it, as going through a middle man means intentions and prices may be mixed up, but instead to send emails directly to CCP, to get your friends to do it, and to send emails about it to your local politician. They have much more influence than CCP does, and should you get enough people to be aware of the problem, Sony will have to act. |
Private Shaleen
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:20:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ]
Are you for reall or are you trolling?
I have been playing EVE since 2003 and yes we do get prices based on US dollars but the freaking exchange rate do not increase the price by 50% there !!! Do you have "special" exchange rate for DUST?!
Man,increase from $100 to $149 and you blame the exchange rate... Pull yourself together Mr GM. |
Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:41:00 -
[86] - Quote
Private Shaleen wrote: Are you for reall or are you trolling?
I have been playing EVE since 2003 and yes we do get prices based on US dollars but the freaking exchange rate do not increase the price by 50% there !!! Do you have "special" exchange rate for DUST?!
Man,increase from $100 to $149 and you blame the exchange rate... Pull yourself together Mr GM.
Are you for real or are you trolling?
Seriously, if you had read that properly, you would have read that Sony changes the prices. If you had read the thread, you would have realised that Sony is the reason that there's a huge price discrepancy.
Thanks for your time. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries
62
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:47:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jaron Pollard wrote:RedRebelCork wrote:
You're assuming that CCP had no input into pricing plans for their product globally, which is of course absurd. Noone put a gun to CCP's head when it came time to agreeing pricing for Dust514 related products and services.
This is rational discourse.
Good. Then where's the part where you recognise the fact that CCP give Sony the same price for everything, and Sony ups it for their take, as a middle-man, depending on the region? Let me put it this way. CCP do set all their prices the same, and you'd know this if you play EVE, because everyone around the world pays the same price, based only on their currency exchange rate. This is like buying wholesale, straight from the manufacturer, because EVE is both developed and published entirely by CCP. DUST, however, while developed by CCP, is on Sony proprietary hardware, and is published by Sony, and distributed by Sony. That then is like buying retail, where you go to the store (Sony) to purchase the goods produced by the manufacturer (CCP). I'm assuming nothing. I know CCP have a price to set for stuff you choose to (but don't have to) buy, but it's standardised based on what the item is worth in-game in general isk/plex/aurum conversion rates, which is how they maintain consistency on the EVE/DUST economies, so that they only have one major input to consider instead of hundreds of different ones because they charge different regions different prices. The problem is with Sony. In fact, it's with the entire IT industry as a whole when buying hardware or software in Australia at all. That's why there's a parliamentary inquest into it involving Microsoft, Apple, Sony, IBM, and others, who have been called to answer as to why they charge more in Australia. This is not an unknown problem, and not something exclusive to DUST. But it exists in DUST because of Sony, not CCP.
No. Once again you're jumping to illogical conclusions. Given that PSN is the sole distribution platform, and that Dust514 represents a significant financial and brand investment on the part of CCP you are assuming that their channel-partner agreement with SOE is as follows:
"We CCP, recommend you the publisher (SOE) retail our product at a certain price, but you can really sell if for whatever price you feel like".
Does that really sound like a realistic scenario? CCP putting the survival of Dust514 at the hands of SOE arbitrary pricing?
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Laheon
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:57:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote: No. Once again you're jumping to illogical conclusions. Given that PSN is the sole distribution platform, and that Dust514 represents a significant financial and brand investment on the part of CCP you are assuming that their channel-partner agreement with SOE is as follows:
"We CCP, recommend you the publisher (SOE) retail our product at a certain price, but you can really sell if for whatever price you feel like".
Does that really sound like a realistic scenario? CCP putting the survival of Dust514 at the hands of SOE arbitrary pricing? It takes two to tango, whatever price SOE is selling for is at the permission of CCP. It may very well be too late for CCP to affect this issue given that agreements have already been made, but that doesn't let them off the hook or remove their responsibility to their fans in ALL regions.
It's more like, "We, CCP, have developed a game exclusively for your platform, and you've gone out of your way to provide us with the tools necessary for us to succeed on this platform. We thank you for this. Also, thank you for using your servers to distribute our game. In return, we'll allow you to raise the prices in accordance with other prices in that region for your own take."
All games in the Oceania region are overpriced on PSN. Not just CCP's. Go ahead, compare it. Most NZ and Aussie gamers complain that they have to pay 50% more than everyone else across all games, all platforms, not just DUST.
Again, don't try to pin the blame on CCP when CCP has fair pricing for everywhere for EVE Online, and the only difference here is that the package is distributed through Sony. |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:10:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Allah's Snackbar wrote:GM Grave wrote:While regional prices may vary, in many cases regional sales taxes and legal requirements are reflected in the user price. For example if you compare the pricing for EVE you will see that based on exchange rates alone the pricing can vary: http://www.eveonline.com/faq/paying-for-eveHowever we do work closely with all 4 SONY regions in order to try prevent price increases where possible, and ultimately SONY determine the prices for their stores. [ Lead GM Grave | Project Lead | CCP Customer Relations | EVE Online | DUST 514 ] This is either complete ignorance or a blatant misrepresentation and spin. Australia for the last few years has enjoyed above parity or record favorable exchange rates with most currencies. Australia has a uniform 10% GST but that is irrelevant here as there is no tax for online purchases under AU$1,000. CCP you are ripping off Australian customers, you are lying that your hands are completely tied and you will never see a cent from me. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins. It has been explained in the thread why CCP is not to blame. Yet there are still players who would prefer to ignore rational discourse and just adopt the native "I'm going to be mad and rage at everyone, even if it's not their fault" attitude of the regular dime-a-dozen COD kiddie. You're assuming that CCP had no input into pricing plans for their product globally, which is of course absurd. Noone put a gun to CCP's head when it came time to agreeing pricing for Dust514 related products and services. This is rational discourse. Thank you for stating the obvious to those too blind to see.
Why can you not buy from CCP direct as assets are persisted on Tranquility? Where is the player market so we can buy using ISK? Why don't you do something radical as Steam did and introduce gifting which was used to great effect to bypass regional gouging? If Sony said they were going to charge $900 dollars per item to kill your game as they have a shiny new FPSMMO would you have no say? Would it be fair to say CCP has more than a little bit of experience with global pricing as they have been juggling this with EVE for ten years?
You choose to do nothing CCP, please don't lie as your spin is becoming insidious.
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Posted - 2013.05.16 12:19:00 -
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Sigh.
It could be something to do with your PSN account is used to log into DUST. Also to do with it is that Sony wants to make some money, and so CCP is forced to use PSN to sell their products on. Sony is NOT going to let CCP use its platform and PSN for free.
The player market is coming. Be patient.
This isn't Steam. CCP hasn't had a history of price gouging, and has only experienced it only where Sony's concerned. Blame Sony, not CCP. Also, there are rumors that you will be able to buy and sell Aurum with isk. Just wait.
Logical fallacy, sadly, reductio ad absurdum. Look it up.
No, it wouldn't, as they have no assets in Australia. TQ is based in London, most of their players are based in Europe and the US. Only a handful are based in Australia. Also, they charge the same price to everyone, so there is no "juggling" as their price has remained steady for the last ten years. |
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