Balance always is a relative term. If in any game everything sucks in comparison to one particular option, without beeing broken by bugs etc. thats your single most reliable sign that a nerf is in order.

I'm going logi myself. Nerfing one class is simply more reasonable than Buffing everything else and dealing with the fallout that entails.

logi suits have a few flaws

slower
recharge shields slower
and shields take longer before recharging
as well as having lower shields and armor

you might be able to stack shield on a logi but its going to repair at 20 hp per second after 6 seconds have passed

we might be able to cover up the flaws with modules but the assult suit doesnt have to do that

Sadly, that does nothing to the fact that they are used as assaults more than real assaults. When we look at the bigger picture of what we are actually seeing on the battlefield, we can conclude that those drawbacks are not enough, to define their role.

Sadly, that does nothing to the fact that they are used as assaults more than real assaults. When we look at the bigger picture of what we are actually seeing on the battlefield, we can conclude that those drawbacks are not enough, to define their role.

Yeah, I know you've all seen them. Logi suits running around like assault+1, just wrecking stuff like it's their job. You look at your own respective class suit in comparison and you're like "WTF CCP?" Eventually, you start to think of ways to nerf the Logi class. I've heard just about everything thus far, take away some of the high slots, low slots, or even *shiver* limit us to sidearms. Sidearms? Really? Anyway, here's the bottom line: If the Logi gets nerfed:

Everyone else's dropsuit is still going to suck

Seriously, I've been a logi since day 1. I've always played support in just about any multilayer game since pen and paper. Support is in my blood. But, putting myself in the shoes of a scout, a heavy, or even an assault, your suits really, really suck in comparison. Do you really want your respective suits to stay in their current state? I know I wouldn't. How about we all work together and find ways to bring the others up the the logistics standard.

The improved movement speed is more than enough reason to use an assault suit over a logi suit.

The Hornet Army Of Death (yeah hyperbole) would like to disagree.

Again looking at numbers gets moot the moment they don't do what they're supposed to do.

People use the logi suits because they see the high slot count and automatically assume that will be enough to make them "god mode", that isn't necessarily true. I agreee that logis could get a slot cut here and there, but not by too much. Anyone who thinks the extra slots will make them better assault players are wrong.

Sadly, that does nothing to the fact that they are used as assaults more than real assaults. When we look at the bigger picture of what we are actually seeing on the battlefield, we can conclude that those drawbacks are not enough, to define their role.

I wouldn't even reduce their slotcount. Beeing somewhat tanky feels not unreasonable to me. Replace the light slot with a sidearm, so they can defend themself if needed but are really dependant on the teammates. You now have a class that not only cannot cross into the others role but is actively encouraged to fullfill it's own one (stay with your team, provide support, they'll defend you).

...no, just no.

I am stunned by your intricate and detailed reasoning...

I would give up all my slots before I would give up my main weapon.

Taking the main weapon from any role essentially makes it dead weight.

Your #1 reason is wrong. The other suits don't suck, the logi just has everything. LIterally, they have the light weapon, all the equipment slots, and practically all the high/low slots. That's not a logi suit, it's a god suit. No such suit should exist.

It's not as fast and doesn't have a side weapon.

As shown by the Amarr Logi, that side weapon is worth 2 slots.

Though if they cut it down to 4:3, 3:4, slots and the min suit lost a little more HP then everything would be fine.

Yeah, I know you've all seen them. Logi suits running around like assault+1, just wrecking stuff like it's their job. You look at your own respective class suit in comparison and you're like "WTF CCP?" Eventually, you start to think of ways to nerf the Logi class. I've heard just about everything thus far, take away some of the high slots, low slots, or even *shiver* limit us to sidearms. Sidearms? Really? Anyway, here's the bottom line: If the Logi gets nerfed:

Everyone else's dropsuit is still going to suck

Seriously, I've been a logi since day 1. I've always played support in just about any multilayer game since pen and paper. Support is in my blood. But, putting myself in the shoes of a scout, a heavy, or even an assault, your suits really, really suck in comparison. Do you really want your respective suits to stay in their current state? I know I wouldn't. How about we all work together and find ways to bring the others up the the logistics standard.

How do you define Define Logistics, again?

The issue isn't slots imo. The issue is the bonuses. All logistics have a (crappy but) completely passive tank. I know when I saw that caldari logi got a bonus to shield and armor tank, I was enticed, but I went for gallente instead, why? Because it's racial bonus it what its role bonus should be. Take away the hp regen bonus and make it a decrease in cpu/pg for all equipment. This is the logis "role" anyways right?

logi suits have a few flaws

slower
recharge shields slower
and shields take longer before recharging
as well as having lower shields and armor

you might be able to stack shield on a logi but its going to repair at 20 hp per second after 6 seconds have passed

we might be able to cover up the flaws with modules but the assult suit doesnt have to do that

As a medium suit that's traded in some of it's base speed and health for a higher slot count, while also switching it's side arm for equipment so that it can support it's team instead of slaying.

You guys are underestimating the worth of a side arm. So let me ask you, what side arm do most laser users use? A SMG? Bingo. Why? Because it allows them to overcome the inherent weakness of their main weapon. Side arm's add a whole different layer of versatility, as does equipment. But neither is necessarily better than the other.

Of course, the Caldari suit is a little too good, but that could be fixed easily by lowering it's bonus or it's slot count.

No one ever said logi's had to be purely support roles.

I wouldn't even reduce their slotcount. Beeing somewhat tanky feels not unreasonable to me. Replace the light slot with a sidearm, so they can defend themself if needed but are really dependant on the teammates. You now have a class that not only cannot cross into the others role but is actively encouraged to fullfill it's own one (stay with your team, provide support, they'll defend you).

Now, with that said. I do not support any of the asinine things like forcing Logis to only have sidearms. However, the base bonus that gives them a built in armor rep needs to be changed to something else, Caldari Logi needs to lose a low slot to be more in line with the Gallente Logi, and all Logis shield recharge delay needs to be put in-line with that of an Assaults. Everything else about them can stay the same.

They dont need to be nerfed, just destroyed and removed

logi's priority should just be it's equipment and it lows for reps

The armor repair is a really powerfull bonus i agree, though it makes sense since logis can repair everyone but themselves. Reducing fitting cost of reppers instead might work and take one low slot out of the equation aswell.

was uninterested in posting till someone said logi might get gang assist modules, No. Those will be given primarily to the commander suit when it comes out.

on the issue at hand though I don't see why a support suit would need all those module slots, I say reduce the number of module slots because in all honesty what does a support role need them for? there are no modules that directly increase the efficiency of support and there is no point in having 4 pg and cpu modules on a suit. Im agreeing with the people on reducing the number of slots of logi has.

I also think Nanohives should get buffed up to chromosome levels again rather than what they are at now and the nanite injector should be fixed.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a module that directly impacted equipment.

Last build, people complained that logis spent too much time worrying about support and couldn't kill, now that logis are able to kill they want them to focus on nothing but support.

those people weren't real logis

Not true. Logis shields currently begin to recharge faster than an assaults. Let me show yall why Logi is so OP right now compared to assault.

Logi

Built in proto armor rep
Shorter delay on shield recharge
More HP after mods
More than 1 equipment slot
Better bonuses (namely Caldari)
More slots (once again, namely Caldari)

Assault
Sidearm (Amarr Logi has one too)
Faster (Minmatar Logi is pretty fast too)
Shields recharge quicker

The only thing Assaults have that uniquely sets them apart from Logis right now is faster shield recharge, which can be accomplished on a Logi with a module.

Now, with that said. I do not support any of the asinine things like forcing Logis to only have sidearms. However, the base bonus that gives them a built in armor rep needs to be changed to something else, Caldari Logi needs to lose a low slot to be more in line with the Gallente Logi, and all Logis shield recharge delay needs to be put in-line with that of an Assaults. Everything else about them can stay the same.

I've asked like three times now and the QQers have yet to answer.

Why in the world does the entire class have to be nerfed and not just the caldari suit?