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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:07:00 -
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Taking away sharpshooter and nerfing most of the weapons range, was probably done in an effort to promote CQC.
- D you like the direction they are heading with this?
- Do you think it is working
- If not what should, or could have been, done?
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UK-Shots
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
31
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:14:00 -
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its perfect for me.. tha aiming is broken though ..dont care what any1 says.
not seen any lazer noobs hiding on rooftops now....done somethin right |
WyrmHero1945
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
213
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:16:00 -
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Super happy |
xAckie
Ahrendee Mercenaries
135
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:20:00 -
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except hip firing accuracy has been massively reduced. My view, nerf the distance not for CQC. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
1468
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:21:00 -
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close quarter fights have always been more interesting, lots of explosions and chaos, and redberries grouped together to get with grenades and MD's. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
420
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:21:00 -
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It's kind of annoying. I dropped the laser because it felt rubbish, now I realise that it's no worse than the ARs.
Meanwhile those Minmatar scouts are running around in front of me so fast that the game literally can't process their movement. I'm very happy to see scouts that are capable of doing well in combat, but giving them a visual glitch to that end has sapped my enjoyment of CQC. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
80
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:32:00 -
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From what Ive read and the few ive talked to people generally like it and I think a lot of us could adjust to the nerfs be it CQC or class specific etc, if CCP would fix the damn aim mechanics..
At least give us some information on if there is going to even be a fix. I understand one dev said one thing on IRC but im talking about an actually community announcement acknowledging some of the flaws of this build and some kind of ETA on a fix.... |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
673
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:32:00 -
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Other than the crazy grenade spam, I am enjoying the (literally) in-your-face combat. |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:35:00 -
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I use Shotguns and AR's.
Yes the decrease in rage gives CQC combatants a chance.
But on the other side, massive armor or shied mediums can now take several shots of a shotgun for example. (took me 3 CRG-3 shotgun blasts at about 7 mts to drop an Amarr Assault)
so even with the drop, the buff on armor and shields plus specializations should balance it out.
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
287
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:36:00 -
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Would be nice if aiming wasn't completely broken. |
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Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
869
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:37:00 -
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It would be wunderful if i can haz rollback plz |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:38:00 -
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Do you like the direction they are heading with this? YES
Do you think it is working YES
If not what should, or could have been, done? The need to Rebuff HMG's.As a note I dont use them. The gave Heavies better/cheaper armor at the cost of firepower. At the end they are still underpowered.
Overall i like DUST 514 Uprising. Has good graphics, lots of options and i feel its getting a good balance. |
KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:39:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Would be nice if aiming wasn't completely broken.
Well that is true, but then again is Broken for EVERYONE so its in a way, fair. |
Jotun Hiem
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
612
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:42:00 -
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It would be nice if the HMG wasn't terrible.
Even in close range fights, I'll find myself getting outranged and out DPSed by ARs.
I had a random guy with a Tac-AR walk up to me earlier. I unloaded into him with my MH-82. He just put a burst into my face and then I died.
Promptly realized that my favorite weapon was terrible. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
25
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:44:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Taking away sharpshooter and nerfing most of the weapons range, was probably done in an effort to promote CQC.
- Do you like the direction they are heading with this?
- Do you think it is working
- If not what should, or could have been, done?
No
yes
Sword fights with guns is idiotic.
We already had the shotgun scout class...people who want this type of game play had it the whole time in beta...why make everyone play it all the time?
Hell why have tanks and jeeps and assault drop ships and big maps if this was the goal?
Just make 100 meter square maps dump 90% of the players in it to nova knife shotgun fight and then ring the outer hills with the remaining 10% as snipers.
I am sure the development costs for that would be much cheaper....probably be a funner game as well. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
288
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:45:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Would be nice if aiming wasn't completely broken. Well that is true, but then again is Broken for EVERYONE so its in a way, fair.
Except it isn't though, which is what I don't understand. There are some people saying it's better than it was last build and I just don't see how. It feels almost unplayable sometimes. |
Unit-775
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:51:00 -
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i really dislike the range nerf and this CQC, It took away diversity and now its a boring blob fest with 6 man squads and 3 sec respawn timer. Dust was made into a no brainer FPS game. I rather have 10 snipers in the hills in manus peak in the old chromosome build than this. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
288
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:39:00 -
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Unit-775 wrote:i really dislike the range nerf and this CQC, It took away diversity and now its a boring blob fest with 6 man squads, 3 sec re spawn timer and some of the ambush maps are far to small. Dust was made into a no brainer FPS game. I rather have 10 snipers in the hills in manus peak in the old chromosome build than this.
I'm guessing you were one of the 10, because as someone who used to try and actually play Manus Peak when half of both teams were sniping and 4 or 5 were AFK, it was the worst thing I've ever experienced in this game. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
212
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:12:00 -
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Your feed back is appreciated. |
Blondie Roads
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
16
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:21:00 -
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CQC is fine some of the time, but why push us close and double strafe speed? |
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DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
212
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:35:00 -
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Blondie Roads wrote:CQC is fine some of the time, but why push us close and double strafe speed? To make fighting more exciting. You always see the mercs in the trailers fighting up close. To that end I suppose that CCP wanted to make that gameplay a bit closer to what is seen in trailers. Obviously there are a ton of other things that occur in these trailers, CQC is one of the most prominent ones. I think we will all come to like it in a few weeks. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2829
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:35:00 -
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I love the removal of SS, but I think they're going to have to play around with ranges to find their sweet spots. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1028
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:38:00 -
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Gotta be honest, I had my doubts but the fighting side of things is much more enjoyable.
Making our range shorter means that positions are far more important than before, utilising cover and moving as a squad is much better since you don't get hit from far away by random scrubs, it also means the Tac AR is useful (seen a lot of that)
As mainly a vehicle player, I've found my Infantry guys sticking with me a lot more as they're out in the open flanking my tank not getting picked off from a distance, and it's been very fun. Hell even out of the vehicle I'm able to compete with proto players in Militia Gear as they're not smashing me from so far away.
People don't seem to get it though, they still rush around like Rambo and get shot up, the game is about Teamwork, not you soloing it up. Just remember, because we have an unchanging range on all weapons, as the maps open up CCP can always adjust the ranges to be further without worrying about making a certain weapon OP because it has 40% more range already due to skills. |
Telleth
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:43:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Gotta be honest, I had my doubts but the fighting side of things is much more enjoyable.
Making our range shorter means that positions are far more important than before, utilising cover and moving as a squad is much better since you don't get hit from far away by random scrubs, it also means the Tac AR is useful (seen a lot of that)
As mainly a vehicle player, I've found my Infantry guys sticking with me a lot more as they're out in the open flanking my tank not getting picked off from a distance, and it's been very fun. Hell even out of the vehicle I'm able to compete with proto players in Militia Gear as they're not smashing me from so far away.
People don't seem to get it though, they still rush around like Rambo and get shot up, the game is about Teamwork, not you soloing it up. Just remember, because we have an unchanging range on all weapons, as the maps open up CCP can always adjust the ranges to be further without worrying about making a certain weapon OP because it has 40% more range already due to skills.
I agree with this. I think it's not so much CCP focusing on CQC but more pushing squad action. The effect I've noticed is a lot more noticeable attack/defend maneuvering, team cohesion, and focus fire. I think this kind of teamwork is part of what sets EVE and Dust aside from most other games and what CCP is doing right. |
germanus chabe
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
40
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:46:00 -
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hooc order wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Taking away sharpshooter and nerfing most of the weapons range, was probably done in an effort to promote CQC.
- Do you like the direction they are heading with this?
- Do you think it is working
- If not what should, or could have been, done?
No yes Sword fights with guns is idiotic. We already had the shotgun scout class...people who want this type of game play had it the whole time in beta...why make everyone play it all the time? Hell why have tanks and jeeps and assault drop ships and big maps if this was the goal? Just make 100 meter square maps dump 90% of the players in it to nova knife shotgun fight and then ring the outer hills with the remaining 10% as snipers. I am sure the development costs for that would be much cheaper....probably be a funner game as well.
Seriously, this. The maps are not designed for the ranges on most weapons. Its leading to very stupid confrontations. Before you often had to provide cover fire to advance on a position, now you just run up in plane sight cuz no one has any range. And then because everyone has the same range with ar's you see people just barely backing out of the range to reload and avoid fire.
I enjoyed the mid to long range firefights, and some maps and situations were awesome for it. Now I can choose between a sniper rifle or close quarters combat. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
213
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:50:00 -
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germanus chabe wrote:hooc order wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Taking away sharpshooter and nerfing most of the weapons range, was probably done in an effort to promote CQC.
- Do you like the direction they are heading with this?
- Do you think it is working
- If not what should, or could have been, done?
No yes Sword fights with guns is idiotic. We already had the shotgun scout class...people who want this type of game play had it the whole time in beta...why make everyone play it all the time? Hell why have tanks and jeeps and assault drop ships and big maps if this was the goal? Just make 100 meter square maps dump 90% of the players in it to nova knife shotgun fight and then ring the outer hills with the remaining 10% as snipers. I am sure the development costs for that would be much cheaper....probably be a funner game as well. Seriously, this. The maps are not designed for the ranges on most weapons. Its leading to very stupid confrontations. Before you often had to provide cover fire to advance on a position, now you just run up in plane sight cuz no one has any range. And then because everyone has the same range with ar's you see people just barely backing out of the range to reload and avoid fire. I enjoyed the mid to long range firefights, and some maps and situations were awesome for it. Now I can choose between a sniper rifle or close quarters combat.
Has the TAR, not more range? Or am I wrong on this perception?
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
306
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:52:00 -
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Hate the game currently and if something isn't done to greatly improve my experience within the next month I'm gone. |
germanus chabe
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:53:00 -
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Telleth wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Gotta be honest, I had my doubts but the fighting side of things is much more enjoyable.
Making our range shorter means that positions are far more important than before, utilising cover and moving as a squad is much better since you don't get hit from far away by random scrubs, it also means the Tac AR is useful (seen a lot of that)
As mainly a vehicle player, I've found my Infantry guys sticking with me a lot more as they're out in the open flanking my tank not getting picked off from a distance, and it's been very fun. Hell even out of the vehicle I'm able to compete with proto players in Militia Gear as they're not smashing me from so far away.
People don't seem to get it though, they still rush around like Rambo and get shot up, the game is about Teamwork, not you soloing it up. Just remember, because we have an unchanging range on all weapons, as the maps open up CCP can always adjust the ranges to be further without worrying about making a certain weapon OP because it has 40% more range already due to skills. I agree with this. I think it's not so much CCP focusing on CQC but more pushing squad action. The effect I've noticed is a lot more noticeable attack/defend maneuvering, team cohesion, and focus fire. I think this kind of teamwork is part of what sets EVE and Dust aside from most other games and what CCP is doing right.
Its not squad action its mob action. A 6 man squad could be an opportunity for coordination and working as fire teams in different areas of the map. Instead the best strategy is to bunch up and mob people since most enemies don't have a way to effectively engage you at a safe distance.
Also to the person before you, flanking is less effective when range is reduced because there are fewer areas to take cover on their flank. If you want to be on someone's flank at a distance of 20-60 meters, but your gun only has a range of 50 meters then you have just forfeited 10 meters of potential cover (the numbers aren't representative of actual weapons, they are just examples). |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
489
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:55:00 -
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so far the only CQC that goes on is just a cluster **** of bunny hopping while hip firing.
way to go on that front, you broke the game. |
DeadlyAztec11
One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas
213
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:58:00 -
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I actually like the idea of mob on mob violence. Very reminiscent of an ancient battlefield ;) |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3741
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:00:00 -
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Aiming sucks now, so I can't enjoy CQC. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1029
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:02:00 -
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germanus chabe wrote:Telleth wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Gotta be honest, I had my doubts but the fighting side of things is much more enjoyable.
Making our range shorter means that positions are far more important than before, utilising cover and moving as a squad is much better since you don't get hit from far away by random scrubs, it also means the Tac AR is useful (seen a lot of that)
As mainly a vehicle player, I've found my Infantry guys sticking with me a lot more as they're out in the open flanking my tank not getting picked off from a distance, and it's been very fun. Hell even out of the vehicle I'm able to compete with proto players in Militia Gear as they're not smashing me from so far away.
People don't seem to get it though, they still rush around like Rambo and get shot up, the game is about Teamwork, not you soloing it up. Just remember, because we have an unchanging range on all weapons, as the maps open up CCP can always adjust the ranges to be further without worrying about making a certain weapon OP because it has 40% more range already due to skills. I agree with this. I think it's not so much CCP focusing on CQC but more pushing squad action. The effect I've noticed is a lot more noticeable attack/defend maneuvering, team cohesion, and focus fire. I think this kind of teamwork is part of what sets EVE and Dust aside from most other games and what CCP is doing right. Its not squad action its mob action. A 6 man squad could be an opportunity for coordination and working as fire teams in different areas of the map. Instead the best strategy is to bunch up and mob people since most enemies don't have a way to effectively engage you at a safe distance. Also to the person before you, flanking is less effective when range is reduced because there are fewer areas to take cover on their flank. If you want to be on someone's flank at a distance of 20-60 meters, but your gun only has a range of 50 meters then you have just forfeited 10 meters of potential cover (the numbers aren't representative of actual weapons, they are just examples).
Mob action? Tell that to the 12 guys fighting our 6 man squad who rushed us and got smashed. |
S0LlD SNAKE
PLAYSTATION4
24
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:03:00 -
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Adapt or Die |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1029
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:04:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Aiming sucks now, so I can't enjoy CQC.
Turn Aim Assist off you scrub ;) |
ZDub 303
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
21
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:14:00 -
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Not really, when you can't even shoot across the street with an AR it just feels sloppy. The maps were developed with much longer ranges in mind, and now the game is very CQC.
The ranges on a lot of these weapons need to be reworked, and more cover added to most maps.
I miss chromosome more and more every game I play.
The Tac AR is the only halfway useful gun now. I assume the scrambler will just be a low recoil, overheating, shield bonus variant of the AR. Meaning the full auto variant, like the ARs full auto variant will be garbage, and the semi auto/charged mid range variant will be useful.
All it is now is snipers and forge gunners laughing as they OHK you while your bullets disappear mere feet from their face.
Like Solid snake says in every thread, adapt or die. I expect to adapt my way (and my wallet) on over to a different game if this isn't fixed very very soon. |
DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.08 02:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Not really, when you can't even shoot across the street with an AR it just feels sloppy. The maps were developed with much longer ranges in mind, and now the game is very CQC.
The ranges on a lot of these weapons need to be reworked, and more cover added to most maps.
I miss chromosome more and more every game I play.
The Tac AR is the only halfway useful gun now. I assume the scrambler will just be a low recoil, overheating, shield bonus variant of the AR. Meaning the full auto variant, like the ARs full auto variant will be garbage, and the semi auto/charged mid range variant will be useful.
All it is now is snipers and forge gunners laughing as they OHK you while your bullets disappear mere feet from their face.
Like Solid snake says in every thread, adapt or die. I expect to adapt my way (and my wallet) on over to a different game if this isn't fixed very very soon.
Im sure ccp will fix bugs and this before launch or it could hurt the release. |
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