Victin Ashis do you wear a helmet in real life? Or are you really just that dense that you think you are winning this argument? Do you know what one and the same means? Well a reset and commercial release are not one and the same when you read those terms of purchase. That is why CCP changed it, and also now why they feel they can screw over paying customers. Because people like you are arguing against yourself and there are hundreds of other morons on the forums doing the exact same thing you are doing because you feel that if it doesn't hurt you then it doesn't matter. When in reality it does hurt you and every other customer past, present and future. Take off the blinders man.

It's incredibly obvious to anyone with half a brain. If you want to keep the benefit of the money spent you don't get the thing you bought back.

We get it -- you don't like it. It doesn't matter how many times you say it.

It's incredibly obvious to anyone with half a brain. If you want to keep the benefit of the money spent you don't get the thing you bought back.

We get it -- you don't like it. It doesn't matter how many times you say it.

again the disclaimer deals with character resets during beta and on comercial release. you are taking the commercial release as a separate item within the disclaimer which is incorrect. if I was wrong then ccp would have refunded merc pack items, instead they did exactly as I would have in this situation and offered people a char reset if they want a refund which is what the disclaimer stated.

again the disclaimer deals with character resets during beta and on comercial release. you are taking the commercial release as a separate item within the disclaimer which is incorrect. if I was wrong then ccp would have refunded merc pack items, instead they did exactly as I would have in this situation and offered people a char reset if they want a refund which is what the disclaimer stated.

it's not "incredibly obvious" because what you are describing isn't the deal I purchased. The deal I purchased was SPECIFICALLY to get another set of the items at release. It was not unclear language.

You can argue that they gave us "an unfair deal", but that's an argument for CCP. I just bought the deal they offered.

No you didn't. You got everything that you purchased in the merc pack. all items were delivered to you. The disclaimer merely states that in the even of a reset during beta or on commercial release you would recieve those items back. No matter how big a tantrum you throw it doesn't change that fact.

I'd imagine at the time of the offer CCP expected to perform a full reset across the board.

Now, in their wisdom, they've decided to allow players to take that original reset or they can decide they'd like to avoid the reset and keep their SP.

Personally, I am thankful I am allowed to keep my SP instead of being reset.

This was very nice of CCP to offer this to us. If you don't like that fancy new offer of theirs -- you are welcome to accept a reset personally. And, luckily, you can't hold the rest of us ransom because the rest is not a one size fits all anymore.

Perfect! Take your reset and refund if you want it. Just stop crying -- it's over.

I honestly hope that anyone that is unhappy with this choice just leaves the game and these forums. If this doesn't make everyone happy then you are a customer that the business needs to cut ties with.

I run a construction company and have to choose to stop doing business with people who want quality for free or can't be satisfied. It's in some people's nature to ***** nonstop.

Just ban them from the forums. I don't think anyone truly expected to be reimbursed for boosters they used to increase SP output.

It's time to literally put your money where your mouth is. Go back to zero and roll around in your piles of AUR while we all stomp on your neck.

Absolute and utter nonsense. The terms were extremely clear. Full refund of all items at commercial release. Sure, technically they are doing just that, but they are holding our hours and hours of progress hostage to get it.

Again, CCP has now set the precedent that they are completely comfortable holding you character progress ransom to receive products you purchase from them.

It's not about skillpoints or getting extra items or individual resets. It's about a company promising one thing and then not delivering. It's about CCP telling the player base that they do not feel obligated to honor their agreements after you give them your hard earned cash. That is what this is about.

I give up. I purchased my merc packs knowing full well that the refund was dependent on a char reset as did many others and CCP clearly agrees. I'm sure their legal team has gone over the wording thoroughly and determined the same so if you won't accept the option they've given you to satisfy the legal terms of the merc pack disclaimer, well tough **** they've addressed the issue.

If you want to go that route then, are they resetting skills? Yes they are. So as per your interpretation of the disclaimer the merc pack refund is justified. CCP is in the wrong about this and as are you.

If it was so cut and dry then why did they change the wording on the terms in the first place?

I am with you bro. Except that CCP owes me money. I've beta tested they half baked game for almost a year and in the end they ripped me off, stealing my money. I don't want their half assed options. I want my money wired back to me then I will happily delete my character along with my EVE account just because there is no good faith between us anymore. I don't want a 'reset' or 'just stop playing' options. I want my money back and a solid goodbye to CCP and their entire line of products.

And this is why I'm backing away from that previous statement. I totally understand how someone can feel the way you do.

I don't want to see that. This game can be great. A little compromise by CCP at this juncture can lead to a large windfall for hem long term.

Seems CCP has no backbone and gave in to all the people that didn't purchase a pre-change merc pack.

It sets a precedent that if you whine long enough and loud enough they will cave to your demands, regardless of if they are valid or not.

Pretty much ALL of the mercs packs I bought were before the change and I completely agree with their decision. I read the terms and interpreted them in the spirit they were written. Unlike you I didn't buy the mercs packs with the thought that I would at launch be given an: unfair advantage over others.

Seems to hold true in this case.

All this crying is hilarious. People bringing up the terms of service but in reality they all just mad cause CCP is not going to let them "double dip" on the aurum and items from the merc pack. I've bought plenty of merc packs and I still have most of the items and aur because I spent/used them wisely knowing that the last reset was most likely the last one.

Do you really expect CCP to let you "double dip" and potentially lose thousands of dollars since no one would have to buy aur for almost the first year of commercial release if they refunded everything and not reset anyone's character? If you believe they would then you are either STUPID or a SPOILED BRAT!

All this crying is hilarious. People bringing up the terms of service but in reality they all just mad cause CCP is not going to let them "double dip" on the aurum and items from the merc pack. I've bought plenty of merc packs and I still have most of the items and aur because I spent/used them wisely knowing that the last reset was most likely the last one.

Do you really expect CCP to let you "double dip" and potentially lose thousands of dollars since no one would have to buy aur for almost the first year of commercial release if they refunded everything and not reset anyone's character? If you believe they would then you are either STUPID or a SPOILED BRAT!

a lot of classy people here, it's gonna be hard to leave.

And unlike you, as I have stated many times, I have never purchased a pre-change merc pack. I will not have the option to reset as it doesn't apply to me. See your view though is what is dangerous. Because you allow CCP to get away with what they are doing, and what happens when they try this again at a later date? Will you sit back and take it then as well?