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Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2013.05.04 13:47:00 - [1] - Quote Seems CCP has no backbone and gave in to all the people that didn't purchase a pre-change merc pack.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:06:00 - [2] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Wait so you get the option to either - get all your "real money" purchases back, and being reset to how you were before you bought them - or you get to keep the way you are now with the stuff you paid and used being gone... how on earth is that bully? Oh right you wanted eat the cake and keep it. Gotcha! Or what am I not getting here? /c Because the original terms of purchase didn't mention a full reset. It specifically stated "commercial release".
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 58	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:13:00 - [3] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I honestly hope that anyone that is unhappy with this choice just leaves the game and these forums. If this doesn't make everyone happy then you are a customer that the business needs to cut ties with. I run a construction company and have to choose to stop doing business with people who want quality for free or can't be satisfied. It's in some people's nature to ***** nonstop. Just ban them from the forums. I don't think anyone truly expected to be reimbursed for boosters they used to increase SP output. It's time to literally put your money where your mouth is. Go back to zero and roll around in your piles of AUR while we all stomp on your neck. A relative post that trumps your argument. CCP is basically rolling over on their terms of purchase because people that didn't get in on it in the beginning yelled from the rooftops that they are getting cheated, when in reality it is the people that purchased the merc pack that are getting cheated. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=691694#post691694
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 59	Posted - 2013.05.04 14:56:00 - [4] - Quote Abu Stij wrote: They're giving you an option to do something they feel is a fair deal for all. Your logic would conclude that voting or making any life decisions is bullying which is absurd. Here is the problem. It is not a fair deal for all because when the purchase was made the deal was at commercial release all merc packs purchased would be credited in full. People purchased them with the knowledge that when CCP put the game into commercial release all of those items would be refunded to them. Now CCP is reneging on their own terms of purchase, and if I had purchased a merc pack under the original terms of purchase I would be pissed as well.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.05.04 15:59:00 - [5] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Abu Stij wrote: They're giving you an option to do something they feel is a fair deal for all. Your logic would conclude that voting or making any life decisions is bullying which is absurd. Here is the problem. It is not a fair deal for all because when the purchase was made the deal was at commercial release all merc packs purchased would be credited in full. People purchased them with the knowledge that when CCP put the game into commercial release all of those items would be refunded to them. Now CCP is reneging on their own terms of purchase, and if I had purchased a merc pack under the original terms of purchase I would be pissed as well. Well are they not reimbursing you in FULL? You get our merc packs back, however you get reset to zero. To me this only seems fair. It's like "buy this new car, when we launch it you get your money back if you're not satisfied." Would you really expect to keep the car if you are not happy? Look at any like 30-day money back guarantee, from phones to internet connections, show me one that lets you keep the phone or internet connection afterwards? If that was the case then most people on this planet would ask for their money back plus keep the **. Sorry but to me that just doesn't make sense. But I just might not see it because I bought my merc packs with the view that of the game being "released", I never expected to get the money I used back, after all I paid for something I wanted to have during the beta. /c Except this comparison is so far off base Bucky Lagrange could pick you off. CCP said, "hey buy this now and when we reset the servers and when we send the game into commercial release you will get everything back." People saw that and realized it was a good deal so they bought it. Now what CCP is doing is saying, "hey remember that good deal we offered you? Well on that here is how it's going to be. We got your money so ** off." And all of the people that missed out on the deal cheered because, hey it's not them that are getting screwed.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.05.04 16:19:00 - [6] - Quote Kazio De Vihura wrote: And they keep the promises only you retards can't stand then there are people who decide not to get refund will have more SP then you... Don't get it twisted, this doesn't effect me at all. I never purchased a pre-change merc pack. What I dislike though is when a company feels that they are justified to screw over a customer and not honor the terms of agreement/purchase that they setup. I have purchased AUR in the past but after seeing how CCP feels that DUST should be run I won't be buying more. They got $120 out of me and that will be all they ever get for DUST. But if you feel that a company reneging on its promises are a good thing please keep giving them your money.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:15:00 - [7] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Abu Stij wrote: They're giving you an option to do something they feel is a fair deal for all. Your logic would conclude that voting or making any life decisions is bullying which is absurd. Here is the problem. It is not a fair deal for all because when the purchase was made the deal was at commercial release all merc packs purchased would be credited in full. People purchased them with the knowledge that when CCP put the game into commercial release all of those items would be refunded to them. Now CCP is reneging on their own terms of purchase, and if I had purchased a merc pack under the original terms of purchase I would be pissed as well. NO....IT....WASN'T. The disclaimer was just that, a disclaimer. It specifically stated that they MAY have to reset chars during the beta and that any aur used would at that point would be refunded in the case of a reset. The statement also signifies that they MAY do a char reset on commercial release and under those circumstances they would also reset the AUR. People are picking out one little part of the disclaimer which must been taken as a whole and trying to argue based on that fact that CCP guaranteed a refund when they did no such thing. I've been saying all along no refund without char reset. Looks like I was right. Oh and before you try and say I am just whining because I didn't take advantage I bought 2 merc packs before the change. I knew immediately what the disclaimer meant when i read it and used my AUR accordingly. . DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. And for the. Those are very descriptive words used there. Let's think about this, and for the. What do you think those words mean? Because to me I get the notion that when DUST 514 goes into commercial release the merc packs purchased would be refunded as per the terms of purchase. And for the record, that is the terms of purchase that was agreed upon when people bought the merc pack. And for the record CCP is now reneging on their terms of purchase, which to me is bad business and really hurts their credibility in the long run. How do we know they won't try this tactic again in the future when it would suit their needs? Well my solution is simple, I simply will not buy any more AUR from CCP for DUST.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 65	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Quote: DUST 514-« GameStop Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514-« account after each character reset and for the commercial release. And for the. Those are very descriptive words used there. Let's think about this, and for the. What do you think those words mean? Because to me I get the notion that when DUST 514 goes into commercial release the merc packs purchased would be refunded as per the terms of purchase. And for the record, that is the terms of purchase that was agreed upon when people bought the merc pack. And for the record CCP is now reneging on their terms of purchase, which to me is bad business and really hurts their credibility in the long run. How do we know they won't try this tactic again in the future when it would suit their needs? Well my solution is simple, I simply will not buy any more AUR from CCP for DUST. I don't think you read very well. The credit is based on there being a reset -- all that CCP has done is say that your character reset is optional. How much QQing are people going to do for not being able to pull one over on CCP? No it is not. Maybe it is you that needs tutored in the ways of the spoken word. Now if they would of said that, "after each character reset up to and including a character reset upon commercial release." Then that is what it would of meant, but they didn't. They simply stated commercial release as a stipulation for the merc pack refund with no other aggregates included.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 65	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:31:00 - [9] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: And again you are taking one part of the entire disclaimer out of context. This is where the issue comes from. When reading the disclaimer you have to take the whole thing as one statement and the whole disclaimer is about character resets and the jist of the disclaimer is this: During beta we MAY have to reset characters, if we reset characters all contents of merc pack will be refunded. We MAY also reset on commercial release and at that time contents of merc pack will be refunded. As soon as I read the disclaimer this is what I understood. Besides that what kind of ****** up logic is someone using to think that CCP would let you use all of the consumable items in the Merc pack and then just refund you the consumables again without a reset. The problem with your argument is you are arguing from the point of post-change terms of purchase. Which I have no problem with and I purchased a few merc packs under those terms and I am not asking for a refund for them.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:36:00 - [10] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Victin Ashis wrote: And again you are taking one part of the entire disclaimer out of context. This is where the issue comes from. When reading the disclaimer you have to take the whole thing as one statement and the whole disclaimer is about character resets and the jist of the disclaimer is this: During beta we MAY have to reset characters, if we reset characters all contents of merc pack will be refunded. We MAY also reset on commercial release and at that time contents of merc pack will be refunded. As soon as I read the disclaimer this is what I understood. Besides that what kind of ****** up logic is someone using to think that CCP would let you use all of the consumable items in the Merc pack and then just refund you the consumables again without a reset. The problem with your argument is you are arguing from the point of post-change terms of purchase. Which I have no problem with and I purchased a few merc packs under those terms and I am not asking for a refund for them. No I'm talking about the original terms, which I bought 2 merc packs under. Again take the disclaimer as a whole and it means merc pack refunds only on char reset, whether that is during beta or on commercial release. Also the disclaimer specifically says they MAY reset, not that they will. Well you are just lying then because those are not the original terms as I have read them and even posted them verbatim on these forums.

Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 66	Posted - 2013.05.04 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote Victin Ashis do you wear a helmet in real life? Or are you really just that dense that you think you are winning this argument? Do you know what one and the same means? Well a reset and commercial release are not one and the same when you read those terms of purchase. That is why CCP changed it, and also now why they feel they can screw over paying customers. Because people like you are arguing against yourself and there are hundreds of other morons on the forums doing the exact same thing you are doing because you feel that if it doesn't hurt you then it doesn't matter. When in reality it does hurt you and every other customer past, present and future. Take off the blinders man.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 68	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:10:00 - [12] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: Schalac 17 wrote: Victin Ashis do you wear a helmet in real life? Or are you really just that dense that you think you are winning this argument? Do you know what one and the same means? Well a reset and commercial release are not one and the same when you read those terms of purchase. That is why CCP changed it, and also now why they feel they can screw over paying customers. Because people like you are arguing against yourself and there are hundreds of other morons on the forums doing the exact same thing you are doing because you feel that if it doesn't hurt you then it doesn't matter. When in reality it does hurt you and every other customer past, present and future. Take off the blinders man. again the disclaimer deals with character resets during beta and on comercial release. you are taking the commercial release as a separate item within the disclaimer which is incorrect. if I was wrong then ccp would have refunded merc pack items, instead they did exactly as I would have in this situation and offered people a char reset if they want a refund which is what the disclaimer stated. If you want to go that route then, are they resetting skills? Yes they are. So as per your interpretation of the disclaimer the merc pack refund is justified. CCP is in the wrong about this and as are you.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 68	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:24:00 - [13] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I'd imagine at the time of the offer CCP expected to perform a full reset across the board. Now, in their wisdom, they've decided to allow players to take that original reset or they can decide they'd like to avoid the reset and keep their SP. Personally, I am thankful I am allowed to keep my SP instead of being reset. This was very nice of CCP to offer this to us. If you don't like that fancy new offer of theirs -- you are welcome to accept a reset personally. And, luckily, you can't hold the rest of us ransom because the rest is not a one size fits all anymore. Perfect! Take your reset and refund if you want it. Just stop crying -- it's over. It's not about skillpoints or getting extra items or individual resets. It's about a company promising one thing and then not delivering. It's about CCP telling the player base that they do not feel obligated to honor their agreements after you give them your hard earned cash. That is what this is about.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 70	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:40:00 - [14] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: I give up. I purchased my merc packs knowing full well that the refund was dependent on a char reset as did many others and CCP clearly agrees. I'm sure their legal team has gone over the wording thoroughly and determined the same so if you won't accept the option they've given you to satisfy the legal terms of the merc pack disclaimer, well tough **** they've addressed the issue. If it was so cut and dry then why did they change the wording on the terms in the first place?
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 70	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote Victin Ashis wrote: It sets a precedent that if you whine long enough and loud enough they will cave to your demands, regardless of if they are valid or not. Which is exactly what all of the people that didn't purchase the pre-change merc pack did. My guess is the number of people is so small that purchased it that CCP felt it better to tick them off rather than the larger group of cry babies that didn't want the people to get what they payed for because of some ill conceived notion of free or extra items being given to them.
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 70	Posted - 2013.05.04 18:54:00 - [16] - Quote charlesnette dalari wrote: Pretty much ALL of the mercs packs I bought were before the change and I completely agree with their decision. I read the terms and interpreted them in the spirit they were written. Unlike you I didn't buy the mercs packs with the thought that I would at launch be given an: unfair advantage over others. And unlike you, as I have stated many times, I have never purchased a pre-change merc pack. I will not have the option to reset as it doesn't apply to me. See your view though is what is dangerous. Because you allow CCP to get away with what they are doing, and what happens when they try this again at a later date? Will you sit back and take it then as well?
Schalac 17 DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2013.05.04 19:06:00 - [17] - Quote Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: All this crying is hilarious. People bringing up the terms of service but in reality they all just mad cause CCP is not going to let them "double dip" on the aurum and items from the merc pack. I've bought plenty of merc packs and I still have most of the items and aur because I spent/used them wisely knowing that the last reset was most likely the last one. Do you really expect CCP to let you "double dip" and potentially lose thousands of dollars since no one would have to buy aur for almost the first year of commercial release if they refunded everything and not reset anyone's character? If you believe they would then you are either STUPID or a SPOILED BRAT! See here's what happens. I see this happening and I decide to myself that I don't want it to happen to me so I don't buy any more AUR. So CCP is losing my business, I would also bet that a few of the people that bought merc packs will also stop buying AUR. So now CCP is still losing money, but if they would of given the people that purchased the merc packs originally the refund, they and myslef would probably feel better about spending money on DUST.