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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:09:00 -
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I honestly hope that anyone that is unhappy with this choice just leaves the game and these forums. If this doesn't make everyone happy then you are a customer that the business needs to cut ties with.
I run a construction company and have to choose to stop doing business with people who want quality for free or can't be satisfied. It's in some people's nature to ***** nonstop.
Just ban them from the forums. I don't think anyone truly expected to be reimbursed for boosters they used to increase SP output.
It's time to literally put your money where your mouth is. Go back to zero and roll around in your piles of AUR while we all stomp on your neck. |
Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:12:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Additionally, we will be offering to all players that purchased the Mercenary Pack or Aurum Packs before January 22nd an optional full character reset with Mercenary Pack or Aurum reimbursement. If you choose an optional character reset, all character attributes, skills, skill points, and wallet will be reset to zero, but the Mercenary Pack(s) (including applicable Aurum) and/or Aurum pack(s) will be added back to the account for re-use within Uprising. Players will be given a limited period in which to choose the optional full character reset, and the dates for choosing this option will be announced at a later time. This will be the last reset of the Mercenary Pack and Aurum packs, and no further resets will be available. LinkyI cannot believe you actually played the Bully card on the people who supported you with their time and money. Especially considering the state of the game then. Bad move. Also could we get a notification of what the total amount being refunded would be if we chose to do so? Edit: LoL to anyone who thinks I blew my AUR. I've had it invested for months now waiting to trade it to someone to sweeten the deal and make it happen. As such it will all be refunded back to me. So guess what! Now I will now be ISK and AUR rich and still have my SP. So who is QQing exactly?
It doesn't matter if you blew your AUR or whatever. You claim to have ventured into a speculative investment. It didn't pan out. It happens. |
Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 14:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I honestly hope that anyone that is unhappy with this choice just leaves the game and these forums. If this doesn't make everyone happy then you are a customer that the business needs to cut ties with.
I run a construction company and have to choose to stop doing business with people who want quality for free or can't be satisfied. It's in some people's nature to ***** nonstop.
Just ban them from the forums. I don't think anyone truly expected to be reimbursed for boosters they used to increase SP output.
It's time to literally put your money where your mouth is. Go back to zero and roll around in your piles of AUR while we all stomp on your neck. A relative post that trumps your argument. CCP is basically rolling over on their terms of purchase because people that didn't get in on it in the beginning yelled from the rooftops that they are getting cheated, when in reality it is the people that purchased the merc pack that are getting cheated. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=691694#post691694 I bought that merc pack Im not getting cheated I have all the SP and ISK i get, i keep it all and because i used the merc pack i got more SP and ISK because i got to things quicker
Same here, I don't understand how warped the brain must be to feel cheated somehow.
Are these people prisoners in North Korea that have undergone years of torture? |
Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 17:59:00 -
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The wording is an issue. I think CCP knows its an issue. The choice that people need to make is that you only get one or the other.
I firmly believe that if the dust mercs banded together in a class action lawsuit we could easily get all of the AUR refunded. I don't think it would even make it in front of a judge before it was settled. However the end result would be a full reset.
I did not anticipate getting my AUR back because I was told I wouldn't be reset again. I honestly don't think anyone did. If AUR gets fully refunded there has to be a reset.
It's a no win situation for CCP. I wouldn't want my SP taken away in order to balance a partial refund either.
I think it would be a nice compromise for everyone if there were a month long non booster market holiday for AUR items though. Although I'm not sure how they'd limit stocking up a million items.
Maybe a show of good faith would be some percentage of AUR spent being refunded.
I was pretty harsh in my previous statement in his thread. I think it comes from desperately not wanting a reset. Every time I read the Merc pack language it makes me cringe.
I don't think the way they are dealing with it with this choice is going to legally satisfy this issue. If this were a negotiation I'd have to reject this proposal and ask for 75% of AUR spent per Merc to be refunded and wait for their response. |
Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:38:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I'd imagine at the time of the offer CCP expected to perform a full reset across the board.
Now, in their wisdom, they've decided to allow players to take that original reset or they can decide they'd like to avoid the reset and keep their SP.
Personally, I am thankful I am allowed to keep my SP instead of being reset.
This was very nice of CCP to offer this to us. If you don't like that fancy new offer of theirs -- you are welcome to accept a reset personally. And, luckily, you can't hold the rest of us ransom because the rest is not a one size fits all anymore.
Perfect! Take your reset and refund if you want it. Just stop crying -- it's over. It's not about skillpoints or getting extra items or individual resets. It's about a company promising one thing and then not delivering. It's about CCP telling the player base that they do not feel obligated to honor their agreements after you give them your hard earned cash. That is what this is about.
I'm now on my third side of this argument. I think the choice protects CCP legally, but I think it's terrible PR.
I think they should refund some AUR.
That disclaimer is cut and dry. Even if they are protected legally the current choice doesn't seem like a middle ground at all.
It's certainly debatable. I used a lot of AUR items. I personally didn't expect to get it back, but that doesn't mean others felt the same way. I never read the disclaimer at the time of purchase. I felt like I was helping to support a game I thoroughly enjoy.
If I'd been playing and spending based on the assumption I'd be getting the AUR back this choice would **** me off greatly.
You don't have to agree with their line of thinking. Hell I've made some outlandish comments to some of these guys demanding repayment myself, but after thinking about it I don't think it's fair.
It's certainly not the way I'd want to start my relationship with a new set of gamers if I were a developer jumping into the console world. They need to extend an olive branch. |
Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.05.04 18:41:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I honestly hope that anyone that is unhappy with this choice just leaves the game and these forums. If this doesn't make everyone happy then you are a customer that the business needs to cut ties with.
I run a construction company and have to choose to stop doing business with people who want quality for free or can't be satisfied. It's in some people's nature to ***** nonstop.
Just ban them from the forums. I don't think anyone truly expected to be reimbursed for boosters they used to increase SP output.
It's time to literally put your money where your mouth is. Go back to zero and roll around in your piles of AUR while we all stomp on your neck. I am with you bro. Except that CCP owes me money. I've beta tested they half baked game for almost a year and in the end they ripped me off, stealing my money. I don't want their half assed options. I want my money wired back to me then I will happily delete my character along with my EVE account just because there is no good faith between us anymore. I don't want a 'reset' or 'just stop playing' options. I want my money back and a solid goodbye to CCP and their entire line of products.
And this is why I'm backing away from that previous statement. I totally understand how someone can feel the way you do.
I don't want to see that. This game can be great. A little compromise by CCP at this juncture can lead to a large windfall for hem long term. |
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