Given that sharpshooter is no longer going to add range, I dont see these nerfs as necessary. All it needed was quicker heat buildup. I guess me and everyone else gonan roll logi bros?

Because CCP only listen to the COD crybabies.
That's why tanks, dropships, hmgs, lasers and generallt anything not-assault-rifle is being nerfed repeatedly.

I wanted to play this game because "it was different" but with every expansion it become more and more a generic fps.

From what I read in the DEV blog the Sharpshooter skill will be removed for all classes/weapons nerfing the HMG still gives the AR users an advantage.

Remember the Heavy is much MUCH slower than any other class. Requiring heavies to get into mid/close range to be effective is asinine. Heavies are much to slow for this.

Remember they not only nerfed HMG damage, but also HMG range!

As it stands now the base stats of AR vs. HMG standard variants:

.....................AR................................HMG

Damage.......31.0 HP........................16.0 HP

RoF..............750.0 RPM...................2000.0 RPM

Accuracy......56.0..............................61.5

DPS.............387.5 HP/s...................533.3 HP/s

For the prototype weapons:


....................AR (Duvolle)...............HMG (Boundless)

Damage......34.1 HP........................17.6 HP

RoF.............750.0 RPM...................2000.0 RPM

Accuracy.....57.2..............................61.5

DPS............715 HP/s......................586.6 HP/s

So let me get this right AR users can out maneuver Heavies and do almost 200 HP/s more damage than the heavy...nullifying the heavy's higher shield and armor rating at prototype level BEFORE the heavy takes a damage and range nerf.

So when the AR user gets the drop on a heavy[which happens quite often], the heavy is done before he can even turn around. After nerf AR users won't even need the element of surprise.

I think we all know what truly needs a nerf here!

not to be the bad new bear but I think you did you math wrong for the duvolle. I only got 426.2 HP/s working the stats from above.

mag size, HP and close up DPS... well you are slow so the makes you an ideal guard. if your guarding an area and you let people sneak up behind you it does not matter you should pay for it and you are doing bad at guarding. so the point is not valid be hey its a nice little look into the matter for new players to think about before getting to much sp wasted.

corrected in post thanks for catching that...my opinion still remains the same

By the time you factor in bullet spread at max range the AR OPs the HMG

factor in the speed of assault class vs heavy class and heavies do not stand a chance.

HP? Say about 1k at proto lvl that translates to about 2.25 seconds against a duvolle at max range with no damage mods. Keep in mind the HMG operation skill only decreases heat build up making it lose accuracy at a slightly lower rate, but still less accurate the longer the trigger is held. AR operation directly decreases dispersion and kick making them more accurate at max range with no game mechanic to counter this. Meanwhile HMG gets less acurate as heat builds up. That HMG DPS is assuming all 2000 rounds hit the target which just doesn't happen because of the speed of the lighter class dropsuits combined with the bullet spread of the HMG.

Now take into account that strafing while shooting will be possible after Uprising making it even harder for us heavies to hit assaults on the move while their accuracy stays pretty much dead on if they are worth their weight.

Overall more AR bullets hit target dealing more damage.

More often than not as a heavy I will be fending off multiple hostiles while one assault or a shotgun scout sneaks up behind me. Great tactics on their part...but with the low movement speed of a heavy combined with the high DPS of the AR or Shotgun Heavies do not stand a chance.

Could this be a case of balancing for the future? Were the changes made to balance the HMG paired with with a Minmatar Heavy frame? Or Caldari, or Gallente Heavy frame?

Are CCP just trying to let everyone down slowly? What if they had left it as is only to have to nerf it in some future update after another rash of OMG Heavy so OP!!! Threads.

Me, I kind of miss the heavies with HMGs from replication. Now those were some Mother HMG Heavies.

That really needs to come back. The idea of a class that requires teamwork to take down was a breath of fresh air missing from the FPS experience.

1400hp lol only if I want to move as fast as a tree. AR users would dance circles around me.

I remain firm Heavies did not need want or deserve a nerf.

How many maps allow a heavy to "force" cqc? Almost every map is wide open spaces and those that aren't have elevated areas where light infantry can easily gain the upper hand. In the few tight squeeze spots there are it usually ends up being heavy vs heavy.

I feel sorry that you can not force your enemies into cqc and that is totally false, most maps have a lot of cqc areas and it seems like your getting out played by other heavies who know what they are doing.