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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:27:00 -
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Posted - 2013.05.05 01:53:00 -
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not to be the bad new bear but I think you did you math wrong for the duvolle. I only got 426.2 HP/s working the stats from above. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 02:23:00 -
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mag size, HP and close up DPS... well you are slow so the makes you an ideal guard. if your guarding an area and you let people sneak up behind you it does not matter you should pay for it and you are doing bad at guarding. so the point is not valid be hey its a nice little look into the matter for new players to think about before getting to much sp wasted. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 03:43:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:mag size, HP and close up DPS... well you are slow so the makes you an ideal guard. if your guarding an area and you let people sneak up behind you it does not matter you should pay for it and you are doing bad at guarding. so the point is not valid be hey its a nice little look into the matter for new players to think about before getting to much sp wasted. HP? Say about 1k at proto lvl that translates to about 2.25 seconds against a duvolle at max range with no damage mods. Keep in mind the HMG operation skill only decreases heat build up making it lose accuracy at a slightly lower rate, but still less accurate the longer the trigger is held. AR operation directly decreases dispersion and kick making them more accurate at max range with no game mechanic to counter this. Meanwhile HMG gets less acurate as heat builds up. That HMG DPS is assuming all 2000 rounds hit the target which just doesn't happen because of the speed of the lighter class dropsuits combined with the bullet spread of the HMG. Now take into account that strafing while shooting will be possible after Uprising making it even harder for us heavies to hit assaults on the move while their accuracy stays pretty much dead on if they are worth their weight. Overall more AR bullets hit target dealing more damage. More often than not as a heavy I will be fending off multiple hostiles while one assault or a shotgun scout sneaks up behind me. Great tactics on their part...but with the low movement speed of a heavy combined with the high DPS of the AR or Shotgun Heavies do not stand a chance.
that's why force them to come at you where they can't dodge 90% of your rounds and a duvolle would have to hit you with over 41rounds (btw im going with the now possible 1400hp heavy) that's 68% of the rounds would have to hit you and that's 3.3. seconds of holding the trigger and hitting every round. if it had been anyone else they would have been died at 1second. btw strafing while shooting is rather difficult to hit 70% of the time so there is might be a reload or a switch to sidearm and now they made heavies cheaper so it doesn't cost as much. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 04:41:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:1400hp lol only if I want to move as fast as a tree. AR users would dance circles around me.
I remain firm Heavies did not need want or deserve a nerf.
How many maps allow a heavy to "force" cqc? Almost every map is wide open spaces and those that aren't have elevated areas where light infantry can easily gain the upper hand. In the few tight squeeze spots there are it usually ends up being heavy vs heavy. I feel sorry that you can not force your enemies into cqc and that is totally false, most maps have a lot of cqc areas and it seems like your getting out played by other heavies who know what they are doing. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:02:00 -
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hey I never said it wasn't a nerf but a bad idea.. its CCP, nuff said there. I played a MTL heavy and still beat plenty of AR's proto bears and I know its about tactics and if your QQ its clear that explain the tactics will never help till you find out for your self. so yes I do feel sorry that you can't play the class the way the core of it was meant and no buff in that class will ever change it till you do learn it some are just harder for others to learn. HAV sucked for me to learn but I got most of it down now. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 05:41:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: Yes I too kill proto light infantry with my all militia heavy fit firing a STD HMG. I also take out some proto heavies in the same fit. I am able to do this defending or assaulting an objective because of my skill and tactics combined with having the proper gear for the job. Nerfing the HMG is taking away the gear I need to continue to do my job as well as I do now.
Though I must say as of now I would rather face a Heavy with a boundless than a light infantry with a duvolle because more often than not the duvolle stands a better chance of taking me out and I really think that speaks volumes. Exactly! I remember when people saw a heavy the were like: "Oh ****! It's a heavy! I need some help over here!" that person regrouped with their squad and worked together taking him out. If that same person saw a heavy now it's more like: "Oh, it's a heavy lol." Dakka! Dakka! dead without a change in tactics and guns them down toe-to-toe without much of an afterthought. What happened to balance? aim.... |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:01:00 -
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that's like saying I kill a newberry, of course you can, pretty much all the vets can. its never been the type of suit its the person using it and how they use it. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:20:00 -
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aim for the head, heavies don't move fast and have a large head and HMG doesn't have the ability to hit the same spot at longer ranges. you asked the answer is simple as that. all im saying is you don't know whats happening to all the other weapons to see if it is or is not right. btw its not the heavy that got nerfed its the HMG heavies got buffed actually. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:45:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:They should have left the HMG base stats alone or made them just a bit more powerful for use against vehicles. lol....
ok, wow, no way. HMGs can destroy free LAVs just fine anything else LOL on you for even trying and even thinking that was a good idea. its like hey I just shot down an AC-130 with M9 pistol. good luck getting anyone on that idea. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 06:45:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:ladwar wrote:Cosgar wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote: Yes I too kill proto light infantry with my all militia heavy fit firing a STD HMG. I also take out some proto heavies in the same fit. I am able to do this defending or assaulting an objective because of my skill and tactics combined with having the proper gear for the job. Nerfing the HMG is taking away the gear I need to continue to do my job as well as I do now.
Though I must say as of now I would rather face a Heavy with a boundless than a light infantry with a duvolle because more often than not the duvolle stands a better chance of taking me out and I really think that speaks volumes. Exactly! I remember when people saw a heavy the were like: "Oh ****! It's a heavy! I need some help over here!" that person regrouped with their squad and worked together taking him out. If that same person saw a heavy now it's more like: "Oh, it's a heavy lol." Dakka! Dakka! dead without a change in tactics and guns them down toe-to-toe without much of an afterthought. What happened to balance? aim.... Dear Madame or Sir it is fairly obvious at this point that you have completely run out of legitimate arguments. I have used the AR it is the most accurate full auto weapon and takes no skill to hit a guy in a fat suit with it...even when firing from the hip. I suspect you are trying to get under my skin by arguing with such persistence, however I must inform you that you will not succeed. I stand firm nerfing the heavy was Wrong on the part of CCP. I am, however dedicated to my role as a heavy and will continue to specialize in that role. I will adapt I will destroy I will not fade quietly into Dust the roar of my HMG will be heard and when you see me on the field of battle you will know I am a force to be reckoned with. This, or you are playing devil's advocate to keep this thread alive because you believe in the cause. In which case I would thank you! that's you btw smart one your quoting. bad to quote your self back to back. |
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Posted - 2013.05.05 07:51:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:ladwar wrote:that's like saying I kill a newberry, of course you can, pretty much all the vets can. its never been the type of suit its the person using it and how they use it. Right, and how they're going to be used is heading south right now. Over the course of every build, heavies have been getting reduced to large hitboxes that throw out spitballs. Now even the newbies will have their chance to go toe-to-toe with a heavy without breaking a sweat as long as they play AR Assault. Also, when they can easily dispatch a heavy by themselves, they'll never get beaten by one until they have to learn how to counter them, or they'll never be inspired to play one themselves. You're into HAV right? What if they didn't allow HAV in pubs anymore? Newbies would never get the practice in how to take you out for FW/PC or never be inspired to give HAV a try themselves. Nerfing the heavy into obscurity is going to have the same effect. Why play as one whey all they do is get killed by AR assaults every day? actually would have no effect, I tried everything out, HAVs are just what I like, well and scouts but shhh I do that on the side. |
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Posted - 2013.05.07 02:30:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Is CCP even reading this? nope. but they did over do the nerf a bit to much. |
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