YOU VOTED FOR IT.

He's referring to the forum vote that took place to determine how SP was determined.

However, what he, and douches like him, fail to realize is that what was voted on was a system. Like a line at the grocery store, those who cut in line are still douches. It doesn't matter if the line is long or not.

He's referring to the forum vote that took place to determine how SP was determined.

However, what he, and douches like him, fail to realize is that what was voted on was a system. Like a line at the grocery store, those who cut in line are still douches. It doesn't matter if the line is long or not.

OK, thanks. I don't remember "improve ability to AFK farm" being part of that vote so I was confused by his statement.

OP is confuse. Carebears are those players that never leave the safety of the MCC.

Also, I don't think we voted on how SP per match was awarded. Only on how SP rewards after cap would be rewarded. Here I could be confused but AFK farming would still be possible no matter what option we had voted for. In the one vote we had here on the forums.

OP is confuse. Carebears are those players that never leave the safety of the MCC.

Also, I don't think we voted on how SP per match was awarded. Only on how SP rewards after cap would be rewarded. Here I could be confused but AFK farming would still be possible no matter what option we had voted for. In the one vote we had here on the forums.

OP is confuse. Carebears are those players that never leave the safety of the MCC.

Also, I don't think we voted on how SP per match was awarded. Only on how SP rewards after cap would be rewarded. Here I could be confused but AFK farming would still be possible no matter what option we had voted for. In the one vote we had here on the forums.

I don't get it,

I thought the AFKers were care bears because they're too chicken to lose 'anything'.

Such talk from the CPM ! You do reliaze that more than half of Betamax AFKs right. You just called more than half the members in your corp chicken. Good show ole chap!!!

And its "were" not "where" IWS!

LOL. Before the vote was casted and even before they thought about the system I warned everyone about the AFK mechanism. I told everyone that all a person has to do is sit in the MCC and they can cap out. And this was when there was the daily resets.

Don't hate the player, hate the game

1. dont correct the quote itself without any embolding :P

2. further proves I am just a guest in betamax, Ill be parting ways soon as I get the isk to leave.

You have the worst logic. Example.

Dont hate the murderer, hate the gun. I mean after all it not my responsibility to not kill, its your responsibility to make it impossible to murder.

The choice is yours, you chose to be a griefer.

I have seen soap bubbles stronger than your logic.

Back to Novafox shipyards huh ! It must be lonely in that corp !

every farmer is just as pathetic as the last, keep giving my nades some work though while you watch over your crops!!

You got me all wrong;- I AFK because I can! Im not making excuses why I AFK! Try to stop me! I dare ya!

You got me all wrong;- I AFK because I can! Im not making excuses why I AFK! Try to stop me! I dare ya!

More like I don't have to deal with internal corp drama.

Eve does have public channel support I joined enough of them to be sociable.

Why would I want to interact with ppl like you more than I already do. I dont have time for weak ppl.

Why would I want to interact with ppl like you more than I already do. I dont have time for weak ppl.

You are nothing but a forum warrior. I will see you on the field. I am done with you out here.

Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game.

No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door.

I just enjoy trolling these dimwits

Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game.

Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure.

Gawd! You are stupid aren't you! Cant you see I am trying to get banned!

I am planning to make a movie callet the Lord of the Dimwits (LOTD for short) and you sir are my superstar!

I challenge anyone to read our argument and decide whose statements come from a dimwit.

oh you'll never get banned, you should know better.

Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure.

CCP should offer a game mode called ambush afk. Select it, and your account freezes for 18 minutes. When it thaws, you get a healthy dose of SP and ISK. Farmers aren't in games, taking up space, but they still get points for their time. Everyone is somewhat happy.

You're welcome.

OP is confuse. Carebears are those players that never leave the safety of the MCC.

Also, I don't think we voted on how SP per match was awarded. Only on how SP rewards after cap would be rewarded. Here I could be confused but AFK farming would still be possible no matter what option we had voted for. In the one vote we had here on the forums.

Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit.

The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP.

If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned.

Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete.

MMO's aren't supposed to be fair. The more time a player puts into the game the better they become.

Again, douches like the OP, believe that we should have no cap, and some of them think we should have no SP/min awarded, instead we should get SP based on WP alone. The problem with this is that is punishes new players. So, these malcontents, believe that their AFKing is justified because of the way SP is handed out, i.e. primarily by time in game.

Again, douches like the OP, believe that we should have no cap, and some of them think we should have no SP/min awarded, instead we should get SP based on WP alone. The problem with this is that is punishes new players.

Who is the worse AFKer..

A) The one sitting there AFKing.

or

B) The inadvertent AFKer sitting there the whole match shooting me futilely and giving me WPs as he reloads (+10s ding ding ding ding), killing themselves without killing me with the suicide nade and then respawning into the MCC through my drop uplink (another +25) to rinse and repeat?

It cracks me up the people who hate it the most not only end up doing it, but doing it totally wrong. I like all the WPs tho. Don't get me wrong :)

Me: 0/0/100-500ish WPs

Them: 0/10+/0WPs.

Such talk from the CPM ! You do reliaze that more than half of Betamax AFKs right. You just called more than half the members in your corp chicken. Good show ole chap!!!

And its "were" not "where" IWS!

I like shooting afkers in the MCC when blue team gets red-lined simply for the fun of shooting people....I could careless if I give you WP or not.

Thanks for the ammo, excuse me while I unload 400 rounds into this imperfect.

. You sure showed me :D!

"Active SP" isn't really ACTIVE SP. In the current system, "active SP" is based upon passively participating in battle.

MMO's aren't supposed to be fair. The more time a player puts into the game the better they become.

I challenge anyone to read our argument and decide whose statements come from a dimwit.

Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure.

Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit.

The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP.

If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned.

Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete.

He's referring to the forum vote that took place to determine how SP was allocated.

However, what he, and douches like him, fail to realize is that what was voted on was a system. Like a line at the grocery store, those who cut in line are still douches. It doesn't matter if the line is long or not.

childish sh!t to be honest.

ill probably gain haters for it but fuq you your mother and whoever else feels anyway about me.
why even play the game if ur going to do nothing? whats so fun about it?
i didnt vote for anything as i hardly even look at any imperfect ei or imp swarm post because to me they are to involved with their ego's for me to give a sh!t about any of them.
to be honest man this is just bs but can we stop it? no will it stop? probly not.
the same way this thread was started is the same way it could be ended. by not playing the game with people who do it. if you see them in the game back out.
otherwise deal with this **** focus on what could fix the game and its errors instead of exploiting them.
with this being said goodnight all and go Fuq yourselves.

Actually we gave feedback on it too, but noone wanted to press for a different option and was content in choosing one of the 5 given because at that point anything was better than daily cap.

After all this thing is temporary until a rollover system is implemented, or did everyone forget that.
Also i totally forgot about this but to everyone who told me to HTFU this is how MMO's work.

/me glares at Cosgar before he enters.

Remember the predecessor to the vote and the outcry that prompted it
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247

So yea in essence Protoman did call it right carebears voted for it by demanding that CCP not cut the Gordian knot.
Yea so for everyone these last few days that wanted to shout me down that the Cap was CCP's brainchild and they would never entertain the idea of removing it since this game is an MMO and MMO is long and ardous please feel free to eat crow.

Can you carebears stop complaining about AFK farming?

Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game.

Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit.

The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP.

If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned.

Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete.

Cmon ccp if the imps see the light on this one how the hell are you still in the dark?

We've always been against AFK, but while we were burnt out from the game, couldnt find a challenge cause noone wants to fight us in CB, everyone has ducked every challenge ive laid out in threads and we had an easy mechanism to get the maxmimum amount of SP while avoiding the utterly noobtastic players that would often be paired with us on our teams in game and the carebears that whined on the forums when we got decent support and stompled them,

we decided eff it kill blues so to speak

and/or AFK farm while we bullshitted with each other on comms or went off and did RL stuff. Point is we always wanted the passive component gone because we knew it would create AFK and we know how to earn our WP so it wasnt an issue for us. We said as much in the voting thread when it happend despite what we wanted was what CMDR WANG was about to give to us but again the carebears came in and whined their behinds off cause they knew they could never keep up with skilled players.

CCP listened to carebears instead because they felt they needed to cushion the egos of players who simply were terrible at this game, when really they should have turned around to their EVE carebears coming into an FPS and stating to them HTFU.

In this instance we are and have been the hardcore of Dust. We dont want easy, but if you give it to us of course we'll take it, its about getting the most result for least effort(that not lazy thats efficiency).

How much SP do you guys usually get from a typical AFK match?

Interesting. Is that including any boosters or no?

YOU VOTED FOR IT.

You trying to tell us that if there was absolutely no cap at all, players wouldn't be AFK farming? LOL

Give me a break. If we voted on a infinite cap, instead of players AFKing for the first 1-3 days after weekly cap reset, they would be doing it 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

At which point, CCP would decide that passive SP 100% of the time would be the best choice. And all your worst nightmares would come true

CCP originally proposed an uncapped system where 1 WP = 1 SP. SP would have been completely performance based. Meaning players would have been forced to play well in order to actually be rewarded in terms of SP. However though the carebears began to cry that this would create a "gap" and was somehow "unfair" to them.

The community voted for AFK farming after being warned that this very problem would have developed as a result of the current SP system we have now.

CCP stealth-added the passive component of match sp rewards all on their own. The more i think about it the more i'm sure this was never part of the conversation in the sp cap threadnought, and it was never brought up by CCP before the changes were made. It had absolutely nothing to do with the vote. If they had presented their misguided plans for passive match sp to the community we would have squashed it pronto.

But for the conversation we're having here the punchline is passive sp rewards from matches has gotta go.

CCP originally proposed an uncapped system where 1 WP = 1 SP. SP would have been completely performance based. Meaning players would have been forced to play well in order to actually be rewarded in terms of SP. However though the carebears began to cry that this would create a "gap" and was somehow "unfair" to them.

The community voted for AFK farming after being warned that this very problem would have developed as a result of the current SP system we have now.

CCP originally proposed an uncapped system where 1 WP = 1 SP. SP would have been completely performance based. Meaning players would have been forced to play well in order to actually be rewarded in terms of SP. However though the carebears began to cry that this would create a "gap" and was somehow "unfair" to them.

The community voted for AFK farming after being warned that this very problem would have developed as a result of the current SP system we have now.

CCP originally proposed an uncapped system where 1 WP = 1 SP. SP would have been completely performance based. Meaning players would have been forced to play well in order to actually be rewarded in terms of SP. However though the carebears began to cry that this would create a "gap" and was somehow "unfair" to them.

YOU VOTED FOR IT.

NO your dilabarity ******* up the game for the rest of us. U guys were afking long before the voted change. Your simpley knowningly exploting a system which is in effect cheating no window dressing can change that. I simpley hope the afkers get punished for it

Again, douches like the OP, believe that we should have no cap, and some of them think we should have no SP/min awarded, instead we should get SP based on WP alone. The problem with this is that is punishes new players. So, these malcontents, believe that their AFKing is justified because of the way SP is handed out, i.e. primarily by time in game.

Mostly due to losing 4 people out of a team is a guaranteed loss but I'm sure youre trolling lol :-P:-P

Sooo why are we mad about people AFKing?

YOU VOTED FOR IT.

I'd like to add, that we should simply remove the floor in the MCC. Start clamped to the ceiling of the MCC. Then, the player pushes X to drop, or is forcibly dropped after 30 seconds of inactivity. This wouldn't be a perfect solution, but would be easyish to implement and would stop the most common form of AFKing.

I remember when there wasn't a cap and you could get 2-500k sp per match..ahh good times every one had proto and it wasn't hard to get caught up in sp

AFKing didn't even exist before the SP change. At least make your lies believable.

Pretty sure it should be 50K right now 500K....LOL

I do think this needs to be changed. Oh and if CCP has made such a huge SP sink with the suits now they should up our SP gain lvl. Our normal SP gain should be the 3x SP that we were getting last week if they want to keep the current massive SP sinks.

You should get 1 SP per second and 5 SP per WP........

Or if thats not enough for you guys who cant deal with getting enough WP. Change it so that as you get more SP your SP gain becomes more dependent on WP than time in game. (or can you all not hang with us if this is implemented?)

btw why are you solo

And I don't care if you are pissed about it or not I'm still going to be making my sandwich in the other room and watching the last season of Breaking Bad til the match is over.

YOU VOTED FOR IT.

And the constant complaining that AFKing is ruining the game is laughable, as skirmish was already broken before they started to farm.

I'm not touching the 'it was broken already' bit.

But telling people to break a game even more simply because you don't like it? Awesome, awesome logic there.