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Jin Robot Polar Gooks 368	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:56:00 - [31] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door. I just enjoy trolling these dimwits Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 278	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:56:00 - [32] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. take any post I said about changing the in match reward system... im not joking its just horrible and there is a reason why FPS even the ones on the fringe of FPS genre don't use this mechanic and ones that had an ever remotely similar idea had that mechanic change and/or removed as it was easy to abuse and easy for the general player base to see the way to abuse it.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 471	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:58:00 - [33] - Quote I mostly blame ccp for this practice. Not because you get more sp for just being in the match than doing stuff in it but for these events that make people afk if they want to get every last sp they can. On top of that the do it, either on purpose or out of poor planning, for a single day. AFKing is at its worse when there is so much sp at stake. During the normal sp amount there is 1 maybe 2 afkers in some skirmishes which isn't that game breaking as much as there are other things that should be looked at first. Also the.same maps for about a year doesn't give you the greatest incentive to play after the first few games.
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1138	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:05:00 - [34] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door. I just enjoy trolling these dimwits Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure. Gawd! You are stupid aren't you! Cant you see I am trying to get banned! I am planning to make a movie callet the Lord of the Dimwits (LOTD for short) and you sir are my superstar!
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 278	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:16:00 - [35] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Jin Robot wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door. I just enjoy trolling these dimwits Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure. Gawd! You are stupid aren't you! Cant you see I am trying to get banned! I am planning to make a movie callet the Lord of the Dimwits (LOTD for short) and you sir are my superstar! oh you'll never get banned, you should know better.
Jin Robot Polar Gooks 368	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:16:00 - [36] - Quote I challenge anyone to read our argument and decide whose statements come from a dimwit.
Nstomper Disqualified 254	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:17:00 - [37] - Quote i didnt vote
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:20:00 - [38] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: I challenge anyone to read our argument and decide whose statements come from a dimwit. LOL! Anti AFK carebares are so easily trolled ! You know I am really really enjoying this right? Feelings hurt much?
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:20:00 - [39] - Quote ladwar wrote: oh you'll never get banned, you should know better. I have been banned before !
Onesimus Tarsus Planetary Response Organization 6	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:22:00 - [40] - Quote CCP should offer a game mode called ambush afk. Select it, and your account freezes for 18 minutes. When it thaws, you get a healthy dose of SP and ISK. Farmers aren't in games, taking up space, but they still get points for their time. Everyone is somewhat happy. You're welcome.

Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:22:00 - [41] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door. I just enjoy trolling these dimwits Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure. Hook, line, and sinker. You people keep falling for it haha
Sentient Archon Red Star. EoN. 1139	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:23:00 - [42] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: CCP should offer a game mode called ambush afk. Select it, and your account freezes for 18 minutes. When it thaws, you get a healthy dose of SP and ISK. Farmers aren't in games, taking up space, but they still get points for their time. Everyone is somewhat happy. You're welcome. Nice idea +1
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:08:00 - [43] - Quote "Active SP" isn't really ACTIVE SP. In the current system, "active SP" is based upon passively participating in battle. It really has nothing to do with how you perform is a player. Most of you carebears voted for the current SP system, because your actually worthless in your matches, and wouldn't end up progressing at the same pace as the players who are actually good.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Unclaimed. 495	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:18:00 - [44] - Quote Aighun wrote: OP is confuse. Carebears are those players that never leave the safety of the MCC. Also, I don't think we voted on how SP per match was awarded. Only on how SP rewards after cap would be rewarded. Here I could be confused but AFK farming would still be possible no matter what option we had voted for. In the one vote we had here on the forums. +1 but you deserve more, Aighun. Great analysis, great response. It was CCP's inclusion, unvoted for(and perhaps unasked for), of passive sp and their respective mechanics that allows afk farming.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 114	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:18:00 - [45] - Quote Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit. The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP. If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned. Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete.
Protoman Is God Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:34:00 - [46] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit. The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP. If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned. Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete. MMO's aren't supposed to be fair. The more time a player puts into the game the better they become.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 95	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:57:00 - [47] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: MMO's aren't supposed to be fair. The more time a player puts into the game the better they become. Seriously? Is this game the home of nothing but pedantic misfits with crappy arguments?
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1341	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:12:00 - [48] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: Buster Friently wrote: He's referring to the forum vote that took place to determine how SP was determined. However, what he, and douches like him, fail to realize is that what was voted on was a system. Like a line at the grocery store, those who cut in line are still douches. It doesn't matter if the line is long or not. OK, thanks. I don't remember "improve ability to AFK farm" being part of that vote so I was confused by his statement. Again, douches like the OP, believe that we should have no cap, and some of them think we should have no SP/min awarded, instead we should get SP based on WP alone. The problem with this is that is punishes new players. So, these malcontents, believe that their AFKing is justified because of the way SP is handed out, i.e. primarily by time in game. They should buy boosters if they can't earn enough WPs to meet their needs. Unfortunately right now boosters just help those with the skills (not SP) get ahead faster.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:41:00 - [49] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Again, douches like the OP, believe that we should have no cap, and some of them think we should have no SP/min awarded, instead we should get SP based on WP alone. The problem with this is that is punishes new players. Making pub matches where only starter gear is allowed and the only place where SP can be earned would fix this pretty quick. In fact the AFK whines are pretty funny when there are much larger flaws with easier fixes then the AFK "problem" Note: i am a new player. I know what discourages new players and what does not. AFKers are amusing not discouraging, earning skill points when you actually do something rather then nothing is educational and helps you learn the game not discouraging....discouraging is when you are a better player then a guy in proto gear who has wasted 6 months not learning how to play an FPS yet you still lose the firefight.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 168	Posted - 2013.05.02 20:53:00 - [50] - Quote Who is the worse AFKer.. A) The one sitting there AFKing. or B) The inadvertent AFKer sitting there the whole match shooting me futilely and giving me WPs as he reloads (+10s ding ding ding ding), killing themselves without killing me with the suicide nade and then respawning into the MCC through my drop uplink (another +25) to rinse and repeat? It cracks me up the people who hate it the most not only end up doing it, but doing it totally wrong. I like all the WPs tho. Don't get me wrong :) Me: 0/0/100-500ish WPs Them: 0/10+/0WPs.

hooc order Deep Space Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:07:00 - [51] - Quote mollerz wrote: Who is the worse AFKer.. A) The one sitting there AFKing. or B) The inadvertent AFKer sitting there the whole match shooting me futilely and giving me WPs as he reloads (+10s ding ding ding ding), killing themselves without killing me with the suicide nade and then respawning into the MCC through my drop uplink (another +25) to rinse and repeat? It cracks me up the people who hate it the most not only end up doing it, but doing it totally wrong. I like all the WPs tho. Don't get me wrong :) Me: 0/0/100-500ish WPs Them: 0/10+/0WPs. I like shooting afkers in the MCC when blue team gets red-lined simply for the fun of shooting people....I could careless if I give you WP or not. Thanks for the ammo, excuse me while I unload 400 rounds into this imperfect.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 143	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:12:00 - [52] - Quote Sentient Archon wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I don't get it, I thought the AFKers were care bears because they're too chicken to lose 'anything'. Such talk from the CPM ! You do reliaze that more than half of Betamax AFKs right. You just called more than half the members in your corp chicken. Good show ole chap!!! And its "were" not "where" IWS! It's 'realize' not 'reliaze' Also, I applaud the guy for sticking by his morals.
mollerz s1ck3r Corp 168	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:13:00 - [53] - Quote hooc order wrote: mollerz wrote: Who is the worse AFKer.. A) The one sitting there AFKing. or B) The inadvertent AFKer sitting there the whole match shooting me futilely and giving me WPs as he reloads (+10s ding ding ding ding), killing themselves without killing me with the suicide nade and then respawning into the MCC through my drop uplink (another +25) to rinse and repeat? It cracks me up the people who hate it the most not only end up doing it, but doing it totally wrong. I like all the WPs tho. Don't get me wrong :) Me: 0/0/100-500ish WPs Them: 0/10+/0WPs. I like shooting afkers in the MCC when blue team gets red-lined simply for the fun of shooting people....I could careless if I give you WP or not. Thanks for the ammo, excuse me while I unload 400 rounds into this imperfect. Aaand thank you for boosting the **** out of my AFK return. You sure showed me :D!
hooc order Deep Space Republic 6	Posted - 2013.05.02 21:39:00 - [54] - Quote mollerz wrote: . You sure showed me :D! Showed you what? I think you need to go back and read what i wrote.... You know the parts about me not caring if you get WP or not and the part about how i do it cuz it is fun to shoot people.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 797	Posted - 2013.05.03 00:42:00 - [55] - Quote Protoman Is God wrote: "Active SP" isn't really ACTIVE SP. In the current system, "active SP" is based upon passively participating in battle. I would agree here. I would go so far as to say it has nothing to do with participation. It is merely a measure of time spent between start of a battle you have joined and the end of that battle. With a set cap on SP earnings it doesn't even matter if you try to get the few extra points of SP you could earn from participating because it is just as easy to load another instant battle and AFK farm. Protoman Is God wrote: MMO's aren't supposed to be fair. The more time a player puts into the game the better they become. I also agree here. This is what I wanted Dust to be like. That is what I felt like I had to offer more than anything else. Time. I was all set to do some mindless grinding. This kind of character progression works well in MMOs where the goal of the game is progress to ever higher levels for your character's particular class. You know you have really achieved something when you can play a level 78 Dwarf Mage. But I started to pay some attention to EVE. EVE has passive skilling because the goal of the game is to play the game. It seems like the antithesis of a leveling MMO. Some players will build a battle ship because they want to fly a battle ship. Other players with more skill points might never build or fly a battleship. You don't fly a battleship because you have leveled your character to Level 23 Space Pilot, and therefore fly a battleship, and are therefore more powerful than all the Space pilots level 1 to 22 but less powerful than all space pilots level 24 and up. Seems like we spent so much time dicking around in Dust freaking out about whatever flavor of the week freakout was all about that we kind of took the active skilling for granted. But as OP pointed out, we don't have active skilling. Not really. We have 2 flavors of passive skilling. And a game that has all the hallmarks of a leveling MMO. Where the only reason players are logging in is to skill up. And if you can do it AFK then that is what you do. Jerks. And now we have a game that is going to launch in less than 2 weeks. With a finalized skill progression system that no one really knows anything about. I would like to see "active skilling" replaced by an entirely new system that was not in any way based on time spent in battle. It should be based entirely on war points. I would like to see a progressive SP earnings per warpoint system with a ladder bonus. A progressive system would give every action a weight. Take hacking for example. In Instant Battle all hackable installations, objectives, supply depots, and so on would be "Militia" variants and you would get (just to throw out a random number) 2 skill points for every warpoint. In Faction warfare NPC assets would be "Basic" variants and you would get 4 skill points for every war point. 6 skill points for war point in Planetary conquest. and so on. Same thing for players and their gear. The higher the total SP of the enemy killed, the higher the meta level of their gear, the more SP you would earn. CCP have enough data available so that they could set this rate at the level they thought best in order to meet their target for the amount of time they want character progression to take. They could keep the cap, or they could remove it. I really have no problem with no lifers grinding through all the content as quickly as they can. Because the SP and the gear isn't really the content. All you have to do is set the SP per WP earnings so passive skilling, and I mean true passive skilling, is competitive and offers players like me that have to go to work some SP to play around with at the end of the week. So what about the ladder bonus? Basically, if you kill a 15 million SP character in all protogear with a 550,000 SP character in militia gear you get a bonus. (edit* So your payout for that kill could be as high as 8 or 9 sp per warpoint in this hypothetical example.) The greater the gap, the more SP you get. If you bring your low SP character to Faction warfare you will get slightly better SP payouts for participating in that more advanced form of gameplay. Even for just hacking stuff. If you have a high SP level character you get the base progressive SP reward for killing players at your same level, you get a bonus for killing players with more SP, and you get slightly less that the base progressive SP per WP earning for hacking lower level objectives or killing low level players. So, big tuff 18 million SP character kills free fit new guy? They get only 1 or maybe even .75 SP per war points. This should solve the whole, "But what about the poor noobs?" problem. Should solve the AFK MCC farming problem. Should make participating in planetary conquest much more appealing. Big problem with this is it would only really work well if there was PVE available for all players along with the PVP we already have. I'll even do a TL;DR: Now that the game is launching it looks like we should have spent more time worrying about the whole skill progression thing. Boy I sure hope the new system doesn't suck. The two kinds of passive skilling we have now are not great. We should get active SP for actually, you know, doing stuff.
Gunmouse Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 51	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:34:00 - [56] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: I challenge anyone to read our argument and decide whose statements come from a dimwit. I have it it is you sir.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:43:00 - [57] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: Sentient Archon wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Anything that encourages players to not fight, whether it is PC, ducking corp battles, or AFKing in a match needs to be fixed. I don't condemn players for using a option that rewards them for little to know risk, but it doesn't mean it should remain in the game. No one is arguing about the direction about where the AFK mechanism should go. There is only one place for it and that's out the door. I just enjoy trolling these dimwits Crowd control productions, joke of a name. Most forums a foul statement such as that would provoke a ban. You just said you are trying to shrink the community by being a jerk, you disgust me and others I m sure. Reading comprehension fail.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 798	Posted - 2013.05.03 01:53:00 - [58] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Heres the problem with a WP system. It becomes easier to get more WP the more SP you have. So you have a system that increases the gap quite a bit. The only fix to that would be a scaled system where you get a modifier for your WP based on your SP. If I have 1 mil SP, and the average SP in the match is 4mil, i get 4X SP for all my WP earned. A player with 8mil would get .5X SP for every WP earned. Thus, its still based on performance, but skewed so that new players arent left behind because they cant compete. This is bad as it punishes people for progressing their characters. Players should be rewarded for advancing their characters and spending time in game doing stuff.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 190	Posted - 2013.05.03 02:10:00 - [59] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: He's referring to the forum vote that took place to determine how SP was allocated. However, what he, and douches like him, fail to realize is that what was voted on was a system. Like a line at the grocery store, those who cut in line are still douches. It doesn't matter if the line is long or not. Actually we gave feedback on it too, but noone wanted to press for a different option and was content in choosing one of the 5 given because at that point anything was better than daily cap. After all this thing is temporary until a rollover system is implemented, or did everyone forget that. Also i totally forgot about this but to everyone who told me to HTFU this is how MMO's work. /me glares at Cosgar before he enters. Remember the predecessor to the vote and the outcry that prompted it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247 So yea in essence Protoman did call it right carebears voted for it by demanding that CCP not cut the Gordian knot. Yea so for everyone these last few days that wanted to shout me down that the Cap was CCP's brainchild and they would never entertain the idea of removing it since this game is an MMO and MMO is long and ardous please feel free to eat crow. So can we finally have this conversation again cause lets face it. All the people who say power grinding ruins the game still haven't come up with any reason other than it kills game numbers(they dont) and people stop playing(not if ccp continually adds new content, free expansions, and more items) and it creates an SP gap(characters grow wider not taller remember, and everyone ends up at the same destination anyway right? so what does it matter) or are we conceding SP matters and those who want to compete will grind for every last ounce of it? /all these discussion, bullet to the head I win. Takes a bow
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 19	Posted - 2013.05.03 02:29:00 - [60] - Quote childish sh!t to be honest. ill probably gain haters for it but fuq you your mother and whoever else feels anyway about me. why even play the game if ur going to do nothing? whats so fun about it? i didnt vote for anything as i hardly even look at any imperfect ei or imp swarm post because to me they are to involved with their ego's for me to give a sh!t about any of them. to be honest man this is just bs but can we stop it? no will it stop? probly not. the same way this thread was started is the same way it could be ended. by not playing the game with people who do it. if you see them in the game back out. otherwise deal with this **** focus on what could fix the game and its errors instead of exploiting them. with this being said goodnight all and go Fuq yourselves.



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