I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level.
Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range.
There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney.
D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C.

If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there.
That's how good it is.

Hasn't been nerfed, but these players are so used to Sharpshooter Proficiency 5 giving them ridiculous range that it feels that ways. This will help to make the tactical a much better option.


Also lol, my troll thread may have been taken seriously.

You'll probably like the Caldari Gauss rifles then, which have higher range. Or at least that's how he made it sound. Removing sharpshooter sounds like a step in the right direction, but I reserve judgements until 5.14

Still trying figure out this map lol, Ashland?

It was in the tourney.
It has four points, two of them under two buildings very close to each other.

It was in the tourney.
It has four points, two of them under two buildings very close to each other.

AR is plasma based, so its short range.

Here is how it looks like:
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/lolerk53/lineharvest_zpsecc68d20.png

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg

H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points Sharpshooter?

I have three points into sharpshooter, so its not that big of an increase.
I can still hit targets twice if not 2.5x that range.

I don't care if it shot rainbows that hit puke even more rainbows.
This weapon needs to be functional, if it can't hit anything from a 5 seconds run distance then something is very WRONG.

You should go look at the map.
That's pretty short.
Might as well pull out a pistol, has the same range.
Anyone liking this really has no clue.

15% does make quite a bit of difference.

I wonder, can you at least hit people on D? Probably not

The furthest I've gone into ARs is Operation III. I put a GEK on the Assault - Frontline suit and I kitten everything except protobears.

Heavies are dead because I harrass them from long range then sprint into medium range, strafing, and they can't even take out my shields.

Shotgunners? Plz. You need corners to get to me and even then, my spray in close-range is almost as devastating as your wall of lead, unless you're in a scout suit.

Other assault rifles? Throw grenades and run away.

Mass drivers: get up close and shoot.

Lasers: same as MD.

Forge gunners: kill

Nova knife: Laugh and kill

Snipers: Get OHKOd, go sniper hunting, kill

It's effortless, man. EFFORTLESS! I suck at FPS games, and typically go 4 - 16 (this happened yesterday when I got smashed by shotgunners, trying to use a shotgun and failing miserably), but when I equip the AR suddenly a magical force bestows me with uber accuracy and extreme reflexes because suddenly I'm not dying and killing kittenloads of redberries!

My K/D is above 1 only because of the AR. If I had decided to stick to another weapon exclusively, I would have been in pain. This range decrease creates situations which ARE NOT OPTIMAL for the AR. Currently, there are almost no situations where this is the case.

Range boosting modules will probably arrive on the scene in a few years. Wait til them.

So sorry your toy got taken away.

15% != 2.5x

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So grab your Amarr holy weapon because the Gallente engineers ****** it up!

Huh?

15% = 0.15

30 something effective range for ARs, and 80 is the farthest it'll go.. I think. That's 34.5ish and 92 "M" respectively.

You're supposed to outrange Heavies, that's half of the weakness.

The gallente rifle should've always been close range, high DPS tbh. That's their racial style.

According to the stream today the Minmatar rifle will be the closest match to the AR we know today, focused on balance and versatility. Which is how it should be.

Anyway, we're just confusing each other.
This is a VERY significant range decrease.

Someone said they are removing all the sharpshooter skills. So everything will just go down in range. Imo this range thing is stupid. There needs to be bullet physics....

Im just gonna say it, bullet physics like BF3. Hopefully they are working on something similar to it because it pretty stupid to watch bullets disappear 2 feet in front of you and getting spammed with hate mail because im "hacking"... it also breaks the game immersion.

Only they didn't increase the AR damage, so its 100% nerf.

Exactly, he gallente AR fires bolts of plasma, which dissipate after a short range.

Then Gallente engineers suck at making weapons.
I can make something with two sticks, a band and a rock that hits farther than that.

It's range is only 'nerfed' for the moment because they haven't sorted out falloff ranges (further than optimal, still capable of hitting target, just reduced damage). That was something they mentioned working on during one of the other Dust panels (Expanding the Core I believe). They are aware that at the moment, after optimal, shots disappear. This is not what they want to have happen.

Deep breaths people.

This sucks.

Snipers are bad enough when you can't touch them up atop of a mountain now i can't fight back if they are on a high building in medium range....also the laser dudes will be untouchable as well.

It is a friggin rifle...it is a medium long range weapon....you have to spend a ton of SP now to get into a decent range and yes it takes skill to hit people far away with an iron sight....it was balanced as it is...now i may as well switch to a shotgun or sub-machine gun...oh wait we already have those....why the hell do a need third close range weapon? A third close range weapon that is crappier at close range then the other two by the way.

Obligatory "we will see when uprising comes out" and "this is beta so we can't expect everything we like to stay exactly the same" statements.

I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level.
Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range.
There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney.
D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C.

If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there.
That's how bad it is.


Also, both have told me that the Scrambler Rifle feels more like the old AR.
So grab your Amarr holy weapon because the Gallente engineers ****** it up!


Edit:
Here is how it looks like:
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/lolerk53/lineharvest_zpsecc68d20.png


That's a 5 seconds run, seriously.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

Man, you guys complain about everything when it doesn't work in your favor.

Straight up, the reason the Assault Rifle got a range reduction - if at all - is because it's a GALLENTE HYBRID DESIGN. Gallenteans are known for their close range, high damage style in Eve Online.


The Amarr Scrambler Rifle is a good mid-ground that works well against shields.
The Gallente Assault Rifle is a short-medium range rifle that has high damage.
The Caldari Rail Rifle is intended to replace the current Assault Rifle, trading range for damage.
The Minmatar Combat Rifle is a true mid-ground.

Don't like it, go back to MAG/CoD/BF3. This is New Eden and every race has a different philosophy on combat.

it gets better when you take into account that its been used on whats basically the wrong suit, imagine for instance overheating the scrambler rifle on a shield heavy caldari assault lol. cant wait to see changes the new skill system brings and all the new weapons

Then Gallente engineers suck at making weapons.
I can make something with two sticks, a band and a rock that hits farther than that.

Man, you guys complain about everything when it doesn't work in your favor.

Straight up, the reason the Assault Rifle got a range reduction - if at all - is because it's a GALLENTE HYBRID DESIGN. Gallenteans are known for their close range, high damage style in Eve Online.


The Amarr Scrambler Rifle is a good mid-ground that works well against shields.
The Gallente Assault Rifle is a short-medium range rifle that has high damage.
The Caldari Rail Rifle is intended to replace the current Assault Rifle, trading range for damage.
The Minmatar Combat Rifle is a true mid-ground.

Don't like it, go back to MAG/CoD/BF3. This is New Eden and every race has a different philosophy on combat.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

so the AR got nerfed from being able to win at every range except sniper range to actually having to pick a weapon for how you want to fight? They made variety happen by taking something that was blatantly OP out of the game... I'm still not seeing a problem here.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

If this is AR range, I'm terrified to find out what the HMG range looks like. Might as well use a shotty.

Also, to all the idiots who think I'm QQing, I'm just saying how ridiculous it is.
Unless they increased the AR damage to fit into "close range high damage", then its useless.
I'm moving to Amarr next build, the armor damage isn't that bad.
Plus I have the flaylock pistol.
kthnxbye.

Dude, are you shitting me? It's got the highest DPS in the game, second only to the HMG. No other weapon can dish out that kind of damage - I gave up trying to specialize in the CQC Scout and started using the Assault Rifle. I just hit Proficiency 1 and already I'm downing other players in as little as TEN ****ING BULLETS!

And don't even get me started on the poor Heavies who can't get out of the way of my wall of death.

Assault Rifle NEEDED this range reduction - it's not supposed to be a God Mode weapon and it sure as **** isn't meant to have 100+ meters of effective range with the kind of damage it puts out.

I changed over to the Assault Rifle and my KDR shot up DRAMATICALLY. I even went three matches in a row without dying. As a CQC Scout, that would never happen. As a Heavy, that would never happen. If anything, this just gives the players all the more reason to SPECIALIZE into a ROLE - not be a King of All Trades.

crazy how ARs had so much range now they cant shoot from C to the edge of the map and theyre crying? madness.

SS was too powerful. turned the Duvolle into a sniper.

The SMG has the same DPS lol
I do just as well with a heavy HMG, or a scout shotgun.
Both of which I have almost zero skills into, just enough to use them.

First:
Crying about a nerf before it happens? This is truly the internets.

Second:
with the range you showed, that doesn't look like a nerf to me. I don't think the regular AR that I have can shoot that far right now,

I love how everyone is mad about the AR "losing" range, when it is all weapons that are going back to their original range. The only real change is those "pro" players that had an unfair range boost due to sharpshooter proficiency 5 are going to be in range of everyone they used to kill for the simple fact the other people couldn't hit them. So enjoy these last few weeks everyone that has your immortal range increase, because come May 6th you are brought into range of everyone, and the tears are going to be delicious.

Sharpshooter nerf, great nerf. Now time to get more damage nerfs by upping the stacking modifier on multiple damage mods. The removal of the weaponry damage boost is a good first step in that area.

Dude, the AR was nerfed, I can hit targets from there with my alt who has zero sharpshooter skills.
In fact I can hit twice that range.

No it wasn't. My alt is heavy only and it can't hit **** with an AR unless it is basically right in front of it. On that same map the AR with no sharpshooter increase will barely shoot from corner to corner under the platform in the center of the map. Learn to play scrubs, your range advantage is going by-by.

I don't understand the problem.

1 - The weapon is more balanced now.

2 - If you don't like it, May 6th will be here very soon so you can respec.

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg

H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points in Sharpshooter?

Anyone who says that the range isn't decreased either..
A) Never used an AR
B) Never played on that map.

I could stand on that roof and throw a grenade and almost reach that distance.

The main problem with CCP is that they only use a description of range, when every rifle in the modern world lists effective range in it's description. Range is the single most important stat after damage, and they will only HINT at what it MIGHT be.

I don't mind a distance nerf, as long as you let me KNOW THE DISTANCE OF THE WEAPONS.

If you're going to make AR guys fight that close range, it's just going to be a 100% migration to the Flaylock. And a sidearm should never trump a main weapon.

I'm happy with range nerf, if indeed sharpshooter was removed. Sorry but the skill made weapons range nonsense. ARs hitting me at my LR range. My LR hitting snipers across map. Shotguns...lol.

I'm happy with range nerf, if indeed sharpshooter was removed. Sorry but the skill made weapons range nonsense. ARs hitting me at my LR range. My LR hitting snipers across map. Shotguns...lol.

If indeed the AR is plasma based then why do you complain? Check eve online. Plasma weapons are blasters. Blasters have short range. Yes it's name is AR. But it doesn't shoot ballistic rounds. It's hybrid plasma rounds.

That and even with no sharpshooter it's range was way to far.

You want an AR with long range wait for mimnatar AR since that one will actually work like an AR in real life since its an actual ballistic weapon. I think that's another reason why so much complaining is going on. They are stating a weapon that doesn't exist should be exactly like a weapon that does exist just because it shares a name.

Will you have to get head shots with the scrambler rifle cause if not that's where I'm going.

Ladies and gentlemen, can we please end the pointless QQing about nerfed this and changed that? We don't have the build or weapons in our greedy pixelated hands yet, heck we don't even have official patch notes for the wonderful spread sheet geeks among us to dissect and analyze for us yet.

Can we not at least try things out before we QQ? People have begged CCP for variety in weapons, did you think we were going to get 4 assault rifles that were simply different looking and all funtioned the same? CCP isn't aiming to just make Battlefield or CoD in space.

You need to learn the difference between ballistics and vector-based distance calculations.

Could you throw a grenade that far from ground level UNDER the building? Because that's how you determine grenade range accurately. Height increases the effective range of ballistic weapons, which is why Mass Drivers and dedicated grenadiers like high ground. ARs work with straight lines and a fixed range, so you need to use vector calculations working with the building height (significant) as an increase to the actual distance your shot has to travel.

From a high position, grenades get an effective buff and ARs will have a range nerf.

In all honesty it doesn't matter as the scrambler rifle will just replace the AR, also I remember in one of the panels where they showed all the new weapons they described the gallante AR as a "Short to Medium Range". That struck me as they might b nerfing it. Looks like they have.

Whoa whoa whoa! You mean to tell me that other weapons will actually be viable? Laser Rifles will have a place in the new build?

Sign me up! I spec'd into ARs this last cap to give them a proper try. Good lord they're stupidly good. Specialist weapons might be a little better in their proper situations, but the AR is more than a competent match for every one of them, and they're so much more versatile. I'm sorry that they're making DUST into something more than a one weapon game.

Actually, no I'm not. Good on you, CCP.

There is a good nerf and a over nerf.
This is waaaaay too short of a range.
Also lasers are stupidly powerful in the last few seconds of their fire, they are probably the second most popular light weapon.

Keep the tears coming.

I guess you read that in the wrong voice.
I don't care anymore, I'm moving to scrambler rifle, I'm just making a statement.

Keep crying nerd.

I find this ironic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAHfUdf_aX8


Had enough for the day.

I understand the difference.. And I know that if you throw a grenade off the end of the world, It's going to go pretty far.. But I also understand that throwing a grenade off of what is effectively a 3 story building, should NOT go farther than a rifle shot. I don't care if it's plasma or not.