Huh?

15% = 0.15

30 something effective range for ARs, and 80 is the farthest it'll go.. I think. That's 34.5ish and 92 "M" respectively.

You're supposed to outrange Heavies, that's half of the weakness.

The gallente rifle should've always been close range, high DPS tbh. That's their racial style.

According to the stream today the Minmatar rifle will be the closest match to the AR we know today, focused on balance and versatility. Which is how it should be.

Anyway, we're just confusing each other.
This is a VERY significant range decrease.

Someone said they are removing all the sharpshooter skills. So everything will just go down in range. Imo this range thing is stupid. There needs to be bullet physics....

Im just gonna say it, bullet physics like BF3. Hopefully they are working on something similar to it because it pretty stupid to watch bullets disappear 2 feet in front of you and getting spammed with hate mail because im "hacking"... it also breaks the game immersion.

Only they didn't increase the AR damage, so its 100% nerf.

Exactly, he gallente AR fires bolts of plasma, which dissipate after a short range.

Then Gallente engineers suck at making weapons.
I can make something with two sticks, a band and a rock that hits farther than that.

It's range is only 'nerfed' for the moment because they haven't sorted out falloff ranges (further than optimal, still capable of hitting target, just reduced damage). That was something they mentioned working on during one of the other Dust panels (Expanding the Core I believe). They are aware that at the moment, after optimal, shots disappear. This is not what they want to have happen.

Deep breaths people.

This sucks.

Snipers are bad enough when you can't touch them up atop of a mountain now i can't fight back if they are on a high building in medium range....also the laser dudes will be untouchable as well.

It is a friggin rifle...it is a medium long range weapon....you have to spend a ton of SP now to get into a decent range and yes it takes skill to hit people far away with an iron sight....it was balanced as it is...now i may as well switch to a shotgun or sub-machine gun...oh wait we already have those....why the hell do a need third close range weapon? A third close range weapon that is crappier at close range then the other two by the way.

Obligatory "we will see when uprising comes out" and "this is beta so we can't expect everything we like to stay exactly the same" statements.

I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level.
Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range.
There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney.
D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C.

If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there.
That's how bad it is.


Also, both have told me that the Scrambler Rifle feels more like the old AR.
So grab your Amarr holy weapon because the Gallente engineers ****** it up!


Edit:
Here is how it looks like:
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/lolerk53/lineharvest_zpsecc68d20.png


That's a 5 seconds run, seriously.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.

Man, you guys complain about everything when it doesn't work in your favor.

Straight up, the reason the Assault Rifle got a range reduction - if at all - is because it's a GALLENTE HYBRID DESIGN. Gallenteans are known for their close range, high damage style in Eve Online.


The Amarr Scrambler Rifle is a good mid-ground that works well against shields.
The Gallente Assault Rifle is a short-medium range rifle that has high damage.
The Caldari Rail Rifle is intended to replace the current Assault Rifle, trading range for damage.
The Minmatar Combat Rifle is a true mid-ground.

Don't like it, go back to MAG/CoD/BF3. This is New Eden and every race has a different philosophy on combat.

it gets better when you take into account that its been used on whats basically the wrong suit, imagine for instance overheating the scrambler rifle on a shield heavy caldari assault lol. cant wait to see changes the new skill system brings and all the new weapons

Then Gallente engineers suck at making weapons.
I can make something with two sticks, a band and a rock that hits farther than that.

Man, you guys complain about everything when it doesn't work in your favor.

Straight up, the reason the Assault Rifle got a range reduction - if at all - is because it's a GALLENTE HYBRID DESIGN. Gallenteans are known for their close range, high damage style in Eve Online.


The Amarr Scrambler Rifle is a good mid-ground that works well against shields.
The Gallente Assault Rifle is a short-medium range rifle that has high damage.
The Caldari Rail Rifle is intended to replace the current Assault Rifle, trading range for damage.
The Minmatar Combat Rifle is a true mid-ground.

Don't like it, go back to MAG/CoD/BF3. This is New Eden and every race has a different philosophy on combat.

everybody should probably postpone their celebration/mourning.

the op says from the ROOF of C, to the CRU. that's a fairly tall roof, thus increasing the total distance beyond what the top down map shows, by a fairly large amount. because, you know... angles.