DUST Search - AR over nerfed?

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level.
Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range.
There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney.
D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C.

If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there.
That's how good it is.

You should go look at the map.
That's pretty short.
Might as well pull out a pistol, has the same range.
Anyone liking this really has no clue.

The furthest I've gone into ARs is Operation III. I put a GEK on the Assault - Frontline suit and I kitten everything except protobears.

Heavies are dead because I harrass them from long range then sprint into medium range, strafing, and they can't even take out my shields.

Shotgunners? Plz. You need corners to get to me and even then, my spray in close-range is almost as devastating as your wall of lead, unless you're in a scout suit.

Other assault rifles? Throw grenades and run away.

Mass drivers: get up close and shoot.

Lasers: same as MD.

Forge gunners: kill

Nova knife: Laugh and kill

Snipers: Get OHKOd, go sniper hunting, kill

It's effortless, man. EFFORTLESS! I suck at FPS games, and typically go 4 - 16 (this happened yesterday when I got smashed by shotgunners, trying to use a shotgun and failing miserably), but when I equip the AR suddenly a magical force bestows me with uber accuracy and extreme reflexes because suddenly I'm not dying and killing kittenloads of redberries!

My K/D is above 1 only because of the AR. If I had decided to stick to another weapon exclusively, I would have been in pain. This range decrease creates situations which ARE NOT OPTIMAL for the AR. Currently, there are almost no situations where this is the case.

Range boosting modules will probably arrive on the scene in a few years. Wait til them.

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Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 664	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:31:00 - [1] - Quote I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level. Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range. There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney. D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C. If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there. That's how bad it is. Also, both have told me that the Scrambler Rifle feels more like the old AR. So grab your Amarr holy weapon because the Gallente engineers ****** it up!
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 547	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:34:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level. Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range. There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney. D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C. If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there. That's how good it is.
Icy Tiger Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 1255	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:35:00 - [3] - Quote Hasn't been nerfed, but these players are so used to Sharpshooter Proficiency 5 giving them ridiculous range that it feels that ways. This will help to make the tactical a much better option. Also lol, my troll thread may have been taken seriously.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 664	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:36:00 - [4] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level. Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range. There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney. D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C. If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there. That's how good it is. You should go look at the map. That's pretty short. Might as well pull out a pistol, has the same range.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 1081	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:36:00 - [5] - Quote If that is true without exaggeration......then it sucks
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 664	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:38:00 - [6] - Quote Icy Tiger wrote: Hasn't been nerfed, but these players are so used to Sharpshooter Proficiency 5 giving them ridiculous range that it feels that ways. This will help to make the tactical a much better option. Also lol, my troll thread may have been taken seriously. I have three points into sharpshooter and I'm hitting players far beyond that. The AR WAS nerfed.
Crash Monster Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:38:00 - [7] - Quote I'll believe it when the post update QQ'ing starts.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2702	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:39:00 - [8] - Quote You'll probably like the Caldari Gauss rifles then, which have higher range. Or at least that's how he made it sound. Removing sharpshooter sounds like a step in the right direction, but I reserve judgements until 5.14
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 668	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:39:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You'll probably like the Caldari Gauss rifles then, which have higher range. Or at least that's how he made it sound. Removing sharpshooter sounds like a step in the right direction, but I reserve judgements until 5.14 Removing sharpshooter was enough, reducing range is stupid.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:40:00 - [10] - Quote Still trying figure out this map lol, Ashland?

Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 668	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:41:00 - [11] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Still trying figure out this map lol, Ashland? It was in the tourney. It has four points, two of them under two buildings very close to each other.
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 127	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:43:00 - [12] - Quote Can confrim reg has said the same thing. Forget the range that SS gives. Not reaching the CRU from the top of C or C in general is indeed a very limited range. From my understanding this was on the std AR not sure if the breack and tactical variants hold the same. Regardless for 3 weapons who's only difference is the fire control and sight option for it to have lower range is just bad. Effective range is different the scope increase accuaracy at range because of optic but they should be increasing optimal range as a result. If you are very good at aiming down sights with an auto AR it should have the same effect as a burst or TAC at the same range. The only difference being there would be tighter grouping in the burst and tac and the sights augment the optics making aiming easier. Thats all it should do. But yea scramblers are the new, old pre-nerfed AR. So guess its time to start skilling that then.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:43:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Still trying figure out this map lol, Ashland? It was in the tourney. It has four points, two of them under two buildings very close to each other. Oh Line Harvest? Along with A and B they form a rectangle and there's some platform at the center of the map right? I wasn't in the tournament.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 768	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:44:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Still trying figure out this map lol, Ashland? It was in the tourney. It has four points, two of them under two buildings very close to each other. Line Harvest
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 980	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:47:00 - [15] - Quote AR is plasma based, so its short range.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 668	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:48:00 - [16] - Quote Here is how it looks like: http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/lolerk53/lineharvest_zpsecc68d20.png
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:49:00 - [17] - Quote http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points in Sharpshooter?
hooc roht Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:50:00 - [18] - Quote This sucks. Snipers are bad enough when you can't touch them up atop of a mountain now i can't fight back if they are on a high building in medium range....also the laser dudes will be untouchable as well. It is a friggin rifle...it is a medium long range weapon....you have to spend a ton of SP now to get into a decent range and yes it takes skill to hit people far away with an iron sight....it was balanced as it is...now i may as well switch to a shotgun or sub-machine gun...oh wait we already have those....why the hell do a need third close range weapon? A third close range weapon that is crappier at close range then the other two by the way. Obligatory "we will see when uprising comes out" and "this is beta so we can't expect everything we like to stay exactly the same" statements.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:50:00 - [19] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: AR is plasma based, so its short range. I don't care if it shot rainbows that hit puke even more rainbows. This weapon needs to be functional, if it can't hit anything from a 5 seconds run distance then something is very WRONG.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:51:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Here is how it looks like: http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/lolerk53/lineharvest_zpsecc68d20.png Busting out the Paint skills ehh?

Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:51:00 - [21] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points Sharpshooter? I have three points into sharpshooter, so its not that big of an increase. I can still hit targets twice if not 2.5x that range.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:56:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points Sharpshooter? I have three points into sharpshooter, so its not that big of an increase. I can still hit targets twice if not 2.5x that range. 15% does make quite a bit of difference. I wonder, can you at least hit people on D? Probably not
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 980	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:56:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: AR is plasma based, so its short range. I don't care if it shot rainbows that hit puke even more rainbows. This weapon needs to be functional, if it can't hit anything from a 5 seconds run distance then something is very WRONG. So sorry your toy got taken away.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 550	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:56:00 - [24] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level. Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range. There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney. D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C. If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there. That's how good it is. You should go look at the map. That's pretty short. Might as well pull out a pistol, has the same range. Anyone liking this really has no clue. The furthest I've gone into ARs is Operation III. I put a GEK on the Assault - Frontline suit and I kitten everything except protobears. Heavies are dead because I harrass them from long range then sprint into medium range, strafing, and they can't even take out my shields. Shotgunners? Plz. You need corners to get to me and even then, my spray in close-range is almost as devastating as your wall of lead, unless you're in a scout suit. Other assault rifles? Throw grenades and run away. Mass drivers: get up close and shoot. Lasers: same as MD. Forge gunners: kill Nova knife: Laugh and kill Snipers: Get OHKOd, go sniper hunting, kill It's effortless, man. EFFORTLESS! I suck at FPS games, and typically go 4 - 16 (this happened yesterday when I got smashed by shotgunners, trying to use a shotgun and failing miserably), but when I equip the AR suddenly a magical force bestows me with uber accuracy and extreme reflexes because suddenly I'm not dying and killing kittenloads of redberries! My K/D is above 1 only because of the AR. If I had decided to stick to another weapon exclusively, I would have been in pain. This range decrease creates situations which ARE NOT OPTIMAL for the AR. Currently, there are almost no situations where this is the case. Range boosting modules will probably arrive on the scene in a few years. Wait til them.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:57:00 - [25] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/forums/lineharvest_skirmish_thumb.jpg H'mm, it's kind of hard to tell, but that doesn't seem like a nerf. Has anyone tried with no points Sharpshooter? I have three points into sharpshooter, so its not that big of an increase. I can still hit targets twice if not 2.5x that range. 15% does make quite a bit of difference. I wonder, can you at least hit people on D? Probably not I do. I can even got people coming from A from that building. 15% != 2.5x
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.04.27 22:59:00 - [26] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I talked with ReGnUM and Uncle AWOL, both of which have said that the AR range has been reduced to a VERY bad level. Uncle AWOL tried to describe to me the range. There is a map that we already have and I forgot its name, but it was the one in the tourney. D and C are under buildings and there is a CRU near C. If you climb the C building and shoot down at the CRU, you can't hit anyone there. That's how good it is. You should go look at the map. That's pretty short. Might as well pull out a pistol, has the same range. Anyone liking this really has no clue. The furthest I've gone into ARs is Operation III. I put a GEK on the Assault - Frontline suit and I kitten everything except protobears. Heavies are dead because I harrass them from long range then sprint into medium range, strafing, and they can't even take out my shields. Shotgunners? Plz. You need corners to get to me and even then, my spray in close-range is almost as devastating as your wall of lead, unless you're in a scout suit. Other assault rifles? Throw grenades and run away. Mass drivers: get up close and shoot. Lasers: same as MD. Forge gunners: kill Nova knife: Laugh and kill Snipers: Get OHKOd, go sniper hunting, kill It's effortless, man. EFFORTLESS! I suck at FPS games, and typically go 4 - 16 (this happened yesterday when I got smashed by shotgunners, trying to use a shotgun and failing miserably), but when I equip the AR suddenly a magical force bestows me with uber accuracy and extreme reflexes because suddenly I'm not dying and killing kittenloads of redberries! My K/D is above 1 only because of the AR. If I had decided to stick to another weapon exclusively, I would have been in pain. This range decrease creates situations which ARE NOT OPTIMAL for the AR. Currently, there are almost no situations where this is the case. Range boosting modules will probably arrive on the scene in a few years. Wait til them. You're supposed to outrange Heavies, that's half of the weakness. If a shotgun can't kill you at close range its because he doesn't hit you. It can one shot a heavy. Mass drivers are area suppresion. Lasers are the exact opposite of get close range, you keep your distance with lasers. In fact lasers have 1800 dps at the last few seconds of their fire, and can swipe you once or twice and you're dead.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 669	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:03:00 - [27] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: AR is plasma based, so its short range. I don't care if it shot rainbows that hit puke even more rainbows. This weapon needs to be functional, if it can't hit anything from a 5 seconds run distance then something is very WRONG. So sorry your toy got taken away. It might as well be a toy...
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 998	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:03:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 15% != 2.5x Huh? 15% = 0.15 30 something effective range for ARs, and 80 is the farthest it'll go.. I think. That's 34.5ish and 92 "M" respectively.
First Prophet Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 46	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:03:00 - [29] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I So grab your Amarr holy weapon because the Gallente engineers ****** it up! The gallente rifle should've always been close range, high DPS tbh. That's their racial style. According to the stream today the Minmatar rifle will be the closest match to the AR we know today, focused on balance and versatility. Which is how it should be.
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 159	Posted - 2013.04.27 23:04:00 - [30] - Quote Someone said they are removing all the sharpshooter skills. So everything will just go down in range. Imo this range thing is stupid. There needs to be bullet physics.... Im just gonna say it, bullet physics like BF3. Hopefully they are working on something similar to it because it pretty stupid to watch bullets disappear 2 feet in front of you and getting spammed with hate mail because im "hacking"... it also breaks the game immersion.



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