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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:07:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:The assault dropship looks cool. The problem? Still no defense against swarms, LoLmissileturrets and lav-like hp. And standard dropships still don't get any WP for mCRU or moving people around. Also, the assault dropship will be most probably advanced so people will have to waste a f***load sp just to test them.
This round i'll pass, no more dropships for me.
there was one, it got nerfed and is useles now, good DSes can take the weak swarms easily but beyound that....
Also ladwar you are correct, the guns move to camara not the DS, if you look down thats whee the gun points and thats a hell targeting moment so we will need to keep the R3 to yawing when the A DSes fire, true it word be limited to aiming since the DS wil move after a moment but thats hwy I said it will be better against vehicles. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:14:00 -
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Basically since it probably has less HP, and less slots it will be an overpriced suicide box, not unlike the previous dropships but ..worse? |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:17:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Basically since it probably has less HP, and less slots it will be an overpriced suicide box, not unlike the previous dropships but ..worse? Probably, on the plus side they won't be as large a detriment to the team as there's less space for blueberries to lounge around in. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:31:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:Also ladwar you are correct, the guns move to camara not the DS, if you look down thats whee the gun points and thats a hell targeting moment so we will need to keep the R3 to yawing when the A DSes fire, true it word be limited to aiming since the DS wil move after a moment but thats hwy I said it will be better against vehicles.
I can see doing a curved / circular strafing maneuver, but without increased CPU / PG or enhanced defenses, I don't see it being able to handle swarms or even one well placed forge gun shot, nevermind all the plasma cannons and rocket pistols we'll be seeing. You'll have to stick lower to the ground if you want to do any sustained damage, and that's a really scary place to be in a weaker version of todays dropship.
I withhold all judgments until I get my hands on them, though just from what I've glimpsed, it seems that dropship pilots may still have quite a long climb ahead of them. Have they said whether or not dropship pilots will finally start earning some kind of WP in Uprising? |
Halador Osiris
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:35:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:gbghg wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:ladwar wrote:tank- ground vehicle where you can stop and aim without moving the vehicle in which to do so dropship- air-borne vehicle where you can NOT stop and aim without moving the vehicle in which to do so. see the difference.... that's why its bad to have the pilot as gunner as well as the pilot. +1 for you miss. the aim moves you further more and some people in the forums seem to me to be crazy to think some of the things they think. Can I point you to battlefield? They have a spinal mounted weapon on the AH and that thing is pretty damn dangerous. Lets wait until we've all tried using them before we declare them useless and unworkable. I'm one of the main DS pilots for Dead Six Initiative (Ladwar's corp), and I gotta say that I'm pretty sure I'll be able to aim these things relatively easily. Currently, I put targets directly under my nose and point straight at them so both door gunners get an equal shot. Now I get to do the exact same thing I was doing before AND do damage on my own. I really don't think it'll work that way hal and I don't see it being valid as an attack platform more then the current dropships are. but hey maybe it will and the video didn't show it in the best light but from I seen its not going to be better. The video didn't show it very well. Iron Wolf Saber said, I believe, that you can aim the turret down with the right stick. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:36:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Basically since it probably has less HP, and less slots it will be an overpriced suicide box, not unlike the previous dropships but ..worse? Probably, on the plus side they won't be as large a detriment to the team as there's less space for blueberries to lounge around in. true that. Whew! |
Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:46:00 -
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I'd prefer a full axis turret controlled by the right stick.
Move yaw off the stick and onto rudder pedals where it belongs to free up the stick.
Then give us a wraparound 1st person cockpit view with a moving reticle in our HUD. Shift the pilots view with the gun to keep the reticle in the center of the screen. That way a pilot can look one direction and fly another. Dropships with no gun would work the same way. It's natural, immersive, and effective.
USB rudder pedals are cheap and available from many sources. They are used in every real aircraft and are part of nearly every flight sim. There is no reason to ignore them. Include the current gimped control scheme for those who don't want to have full controls, but don't handicap dedicated DUST pilots. If I've invested months of SP to fly I'll invest the few bucks for proper controls. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:51:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:The video didn't show it very well. Iron Wolf Saber said, I believe, that you can aim the turret down with the right stick. in fact shows that you can not aim down with the right stick for the turret and actually did not make any kills or even assist but did have a small number of hits and well lived past its crash with the other dropship somehow.. so explosive paint has been nerfed some. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1080
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:54:00 -
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This is still a dropship and not a fighter jet. So, it's primary function is still to drop soldiers off....you will just be able to do a little more if you choose to.
Having to aim down the nose should be expected.....in BF3, you have to aim down the nose to kill infantry with the jets and the choppers and they both can cause wreck on the battlefield. I dont see the problem here. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Also ladwar you are correct, the guns move to camara not the DS, if you look down thats whee the gun points and thats a hell targeting moment so we will need to keep the R3 to yawing when the A DSes fire, true it word be limited to aiming since the DS wil move after a moment but thats hwy I said it will be better against vehicles. I can see doing a curved / circular strafing maneuver, but without increased CPU / PG or enhanced defenses, I don't see it being able to handle swarms or even one well placed forge gun shot, nevermind all the plasma cannons and rocket pistols we'll be seeing. You'll have to stick lower to the ground if you want to do any sustained damage, and that's a really scary place to be in a weaker version of todays dropship. I withhold all judgments until I get my hands on them, though just from what I've glimpsed, it seems that dropship pilots may still have quite a long climb ahead of them. Have they said whether or not dropship pilots will finally start earning some kind of WP in Uprising? Nope. Since it was only mentioned in their Advancing the Core segment, that means they expect to maybe add it in the next 12-18 months.
Haha...ha....ha... |
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Skihids
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
1216
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:01:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:The video didn't show it very well. Iron Wolf Saber said, I believe, that you can aim the turret down with the right stick. in fact shows that you can not aim down with the right stick for the turret and actually did not make any kills or even assist but did have a small number of hits and well lived past its crash with the other dropship somehow.. so explosive paint has been nerfed some.
The reticle was fixed in the center of the screen and did not bob as the dropships nose did. I believe the pilot in the video just didn't bother using the camera control on the right stick at all. It makes sense as they would just reuse the remote repair aim mechanism. Small movements wouldn't be noticed as it is the view that shifts, not the reticle. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
251
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Posted - 2013.04.26 20:21:00 -
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Skihids wrote:ladwar wrote:Halador Osiris wrote:The video didn't show it very well. Iron Wolf Saber said, I believe, that you can aim the turret down with the right stick. in fact shows that you can not aim down with the right stick for the turret and actually did not make any kills or even assist but did have a small number of hits and well lived past its crash with the other dropship somehow.. so explosive paint has been nerfed some. The reticle was fixed in the center of the screen and did not bob as the dropships nose did. I believe the pilot in the video just didn't bother using the camera control on the right stick at all. It makes sense as they would just reuse the remote repair aim mechanism. Small movements wouldn't be noticed as it is the view that shifts, not the reticle. if you ever drove a tank, rail is easier to see this, that you will know what you aim at and where your round hits does not always equal the same and commonly are off for longer distances. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:12:00 -
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again guys, its R3 to controll your aim not the nose, but its easier to use the nose of the ship and use r3 to yaw eclusivly for more accurate shots, its not easy to aim the R3 down.
I missed the module slots avialbe where ver you say it, how much does it have and where did you see?
btw to the guy talkign AV, flying low isn`t going to help becuse thats the rnage of the Plamsa rocket and Flaylock, you would have to fly higher to avoid them (the plasma shoots as far as the MD) but then again the assualt DS doesn`t have as good flight ceiling as the other DSs. |
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